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Public Campaign online coop in ODST?

Wow. I just started up ODST with a friend and I had no idea Fire Fight didn't have matchmaking. That is absolutely pathetic on Bungie's behalf.
 
JdFoX187 said:
Yep, I use a thread to discuss a topic. I could go into the fap fest that is the ODST thread, say the same thing, and get ignored by "lawl!" from BungleGAf. You bitch about me using anecdotal evidence and then that's what you use. Good one Dax, don't change a bit. Anecdotal or not, there's no excuse to sit in matchmaking for five minutes waiting on a game. I can get into a Call of Duty game within 10 seconds of entering matchmaking. Face it, Bungle needs to update their system. It was great in 2004, but it's been far surpassed by even Gears of War 2.
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Using a thread to discuss the wrong topic? This thread was about online co-op, not Team Mythic, and my comment about me not having to wait five minutes to find a match in Team Mythic was to demonstrate that the "we" you used is you, not everyone else. And again, in this part of your post, you act like your experience is the same for everyone else when it's not.

And the fapfest that is the ODST thread? There isn't any fapfest going on, unless you're talking about the near-universal regard for the quality of ODST's campaign.

Though, I do love how you accuse everyone here of bitching, then take the time to dissect everyone's complaints. You're not going to get a paid internship at Bungle, so you can quit sucking up to them. A professional developer doesn't need a 17-year-old high schooler fighting their good fight. Also, great job ignoring the part where I said ODST is my favorite Halo game since Halo: Combat Evolved. Still doesn't change the fact BASIC features are missing.
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Everyone of bitching? Did I quote more than just your post and everyone else who has made a comment regarding server listing (whatever) and tell them they were bitching? Not everyone is you. I'm not looking for a paid anything, and I don't have any interest in working in the videogame industry (unless it were writing). And you didn't mention anywhere in the post I quoted that ODST is your favorite Halo campaign since Halo 1.
 
50 of the 60 dollars is to pay for the Reach Beta, since i spent 60 to buy crackdown to play the Halo 3 beta........


Also what's Neo Gaf's gamertag to add to find people for CoOp
 
a Master Ninja said:
I understand that ODST was basically an expansion pack that ballooned into a $60 title, so I guess I shouldn't have expected it to stray too far from Halo 3's feature set. But Bungie, if you can read this, put some goddamn server lists in Reach.
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ODST and L4D2 will make 2009 the year of full priced expansion packs.
 
Littleberu said:
Here's a quick solution : add GAF Firefight2 to your friend's list, and you'll have access to everyone on GAF who is on this playlist and the first one, too. No, it's not Matchmaking, but it's a solution. That's almost 200 GAF members on these two lists.

Don't want that solution? Haters gonna hate.
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If you had to choose between living healthier and a bypass, you would always take the bypass?

Friendslists are not meant to replace to basic functionality of online gaming. They are an addition, nothing more.
 
Dax01 said:
And the fapfest that is the ODST thread? There isn't any fapfest going on, unless you're talking about the near-universal regard for the quality of ODST's campaign. .
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Think he means how one is not allowed to have a negative view on anything Halo in the "official" threads due to being mauled by the fanboys. Mention anything negative and your a troll or dismissed.
 
BattleMonkey said:
Think he means how one is not allowed to have a negative view on anything Halo in the "official" threads due to being mauled by the fanboys. Mention anything negative and your a troll or dismissed.
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Indeed. Dax's replies are a perfect example. No server browser/matchmaking for co-op or firefight is a huge oversight. Someone says that and BungleGAF defenders shit all over them.
 
i guess Bungie really wans to get done with their MS Slave contract, so they pooped this one out real quick. Reach is gonna have glaring omissions too i guess...

then developers wonder why Gamestop is making a killing on used games... make it easier for people to keep the games they buy you dummies!
 
The Faceless Master said:
i guess Bungie really wans to get done with their MS Slave contract, so they pooped this one out real quick. Reach is gonna have glaring omissions too i guess...
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Eh, I'm surprised there was as much to ODST as there is. The campaign is beefy and is the best one of the series, short of Halo: Combat Evolved. Firefight is also fun too, if you can get enough friends to get on there. For something that started out as an expansion, I'm fairly satisfied with it. But there's no defending the lack of basic functionalities that should be in there.

I hope they've learned from their mistakes and will do a better job on Reach, which appears to be the franchise's swan song from Bungie.
 
BattleMonkey said:
Think he means how one is not allowed to have a negative view on anything Halo in the "official" threads due to being mauled by the fanboys. Mention anything negative and your a troll or dismissed.
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That's why I stay away from the "official threads" as its either about who is the biggest fan that can make the most posts in the thread or you cannot mention anything negative as it will be considered trolling or dismissed as you say.

But I guess I should have checked it more as I would not have been caught off guard at no match making and I bet there are a lot of us out there. Seriously I took my shower early and the plan was to play some single player then jump online.....yeah that was no go. Thanks Bungie, you really stuck it to MS.:lol
 
JdFoX187 said:
Eh, I'm surprised there was as much to ODST as there is. The campaign is beefy and is the best one of the series, short of Halo: Combat Evolved. Firefight is also fun too, if you can get enough friends to get on there. For something that started out as an expansion, I'm fairly satisfied with it. But there's no defending the lack of basic functionalities that should be in there.

I hope they've learned from their mistakes and will do a better job on Reach, which appears to be the franchise's swan song from Bungie.
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Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo 3: ODST

they haven't learned their lesson, they just don't give a fuck.

looks like a cut and run move to me.

"ggpo" - love, bungie
 
The Faceless Master said:
i guess Bungie really wans to get done with their MS Slave contract, so they pooped this one out real quick. Reach is gonna have glaring omissions too i guess...
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This was never supposed to be a full game, it was a Halo 3 expansion pack. The feature set, and work Bungie put into it wasn't that of a new game in the Halo chapter, MS just decided to step in and call it a fully featured game and slap a full price tag on it.

I'm renting it, and not spending money on another Halo game unless Reach shows it's more than just a rehash of the old games with nicer graphics, a new campaign and firefight. The formula is boring, and you're right, where are the campaign and firefight server lists?
 
iconoclast said:
Wow. I just started up ODST with a friend and I had no idea Fire Fight didn't have matchmaking. That is absolutely pathetic on Bungie's behalf.
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Agreed. In addition, none of the reviews I read mentioned this fact either, which is also pathetic. No sale.
 
FFChris said:
This was never supposed to be a full game, it was a Halo 3 expansion pack. The feature set, and work Bungie put into it wasn't that of a new game in the Halo chapter, MS just decided to step in and call it a fully featured game and slap a full price tag on it.

I'm renting it, and not spending money on another Halo game unless Reach shows it's more than just a rehash of the old games with nicer graphics, a new campaign and firefight. The formula is boring, and you're right, where are the campaign and firefight server lists?
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The campaign is longer than Halo 3, which is kind of sad when you think about it. And Firefight is a welcome addition. The only thing "holding it back" is the multiplayer, which is Halo 3's. But that gives you all the new maps.
 
Bullshit indeed, It's why I decided to just Goozex the game instead of buying even when Amazon is knocking it down to 25-30$ with sales. They add a single new piece to the MP...and it's no better than Lan play.
 
JdFoX187 said:
The campaign is longer than Halo 3, which is kind of sad when you think about it. And Firefight is a welcome addition. The only thing "holding it back" is the multiplayer, which is Halo 3's. But that gives you all the new maps.
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Well, the campaign is all good, but I don't think you should be charged full price for a bunch of multi player maps finished last year for a different game, and firefight mode.

Edit: With regards to the maps, most Halo 3 players already have over half the maps. In my case, I'd be paying full price for three new maps in the same game I was playing two years ago.
 
FFChris said:
Well, the campaign is all good, but I don't think you should be charged full price for a bunch of multi player maps finished last year for a different game, and firefight mode.

Edit: With regards to the maps, most Halo 3 players already have over half the maps. In my case, I'd be paying full price for three new maps in the same game I was playing two years ago.
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There are full priced games out there with much less content. The campaign is aces, and for someone who hasn't bough the maps, this is a wonderful package. And someone who has bought the maps, you still get three new ones, though Longshore is the only decent one.
 
JdFoX187 said:
Indeed. Dax's replies are a perfect example. No server browser/matchmaking for co-op or firefight is a huge oversight. Someone says that and BungleGAF defenders shit all over them.
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That's an incredibly stupid thing to say. Many people have brought that point up and there hasn't been any kind of response like that.
 
Kuroyume said:
That's an incredibly stupid thing to say. Many people have brought that point up and there hasn't been any kind of response like that.
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Hardly. The reason there are only 10 or so regular posters in there anymore is because almost everyone else is run off by the dickish attitudes of most people. Comments in this thread from other people already prove that.

MMaRsu said:
Same as it was for Halo 3. It uses the same engine, I take it it would have taken too long to change matchmaking.
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Same reason for no clips in co-op or firefight.
 
This generation has really soured me on Bungie and the Halo franchise. Which is a shame since I think the gameplay is still great. It's everything else that's the problem.
 
JdFoX187 said:
Hardly. The reason there are only 10 or so regular posters in there anymore is because almost everyone else is run off by the dickish attitudes of most people. Comments in this thread from other people already prove that.
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With a whiny attitude like yours, I can see why.

Only person I saw to get boo out in the thread was AA, which again. I can see why:lol
 
shintoki said:
With a whiny attitude like yours, I can see why.

Only person I saw to get boo out in the thread was AA, which again. I can see why:lol
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I have a whiny attitude? Bungle is supposed to be a AAA developer, but they still can't seem to get things right in their games. I'd rather have tempered praise with criticism in a discussion rather than full blown fanboyism, which is prevalent to the extreme in the official thread. But I guess I'm the only one considering almost everyone else in here is saying it's also crap.
 
BattleMonkey said:
Think he means how one is not allowed to have a negative view on anything Halo in the "official" threads due to being mauled by the fanboys. Mention anything negative and your a troll or dismissed.
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He's wrong about that, though.

NullPointer said:
Negatives? Only one: Graphics and animations are still not up to par for this gen, and not even close to most other big releases. The visuals really break at the seams in this game, and while it doesn't effect gameplay, its just a letdown considering how much Halo gets hyped as a flagship title for the 360. More than ever my expectations for Reach are growing. Its not that they need to make the game more detailed or gritty - they just have to make it cohesive within its own style, and not look like its fighting the engine to produce the end results. The need for mocap in the future should go without saying - one step forward with this game, and one step back at the same time. Humans move like muppets, and faces, although improved from Halo 3, still look like weird blocky things.

I'm only about three missions into the game so far, so I expect to see some surprises when I play some more tonight.
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Result: not "mauled by the fanboys."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17713119&postcount=6428
Result: not "mauled by the fanboys."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17713329&postcount=6437
Result: not "mauled by the fanboys."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17712721&postcount=6383
Result: not "mauled by the fanboys."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17713031&postcount=6421
Result: none of the quotes in that post were "mauled by the fanboys."

There are many more examples, but that's only a few. He just sees what he wants to see, and for some reason, he wants to see the ODST thread as a "fapfest" thread.

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JdFoX187 said:
I have a whiny attitude? Bungle is supposed to be a AAA developer, but they still can't seem to get things right in their games. I'd rather have tempered praise with criticism in a discussion rather than full blown fanboyism, which is prevalent to the extreme in the official thread. But I guess I'm the only one considering almost everyone else in here is saying it's also crap.
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Why do you keep on referring to them as "Bungle" when you're trying to be serious? That, plus the whiny attitude isn't helping.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Does Bungie even have a good reason why this is consistently not addressed?

And yes this deserves its own thread, it would be brushed off in the official thread that's full of people already playing these modes as 'trolling.'
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Really? Just because people in that thread actually like the game you think they are too blind to recognize complete bullshit when it's smothered in their faces? This has come up more than fucking BR whining. Wait, you did notice the BR isn't in ODST right? Quick, someone go make a thread wondering why Bungie hasn't addressed this issue.

I have a whiny attitude? Bungle is supposed to be a AAA developer, but they still can't seem to get things right in their games. I'd rather have tempered praise with criticism in a discussion rather than full blown fanboyism, which is prevalent to the extreme in the official thread. But I guess I'm the only one considering almost everyone else in here is saying it's also crap.
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No. Just no. And fuck you for dismissing people's opinion en masse like that.
 
JdFoX187 said:
Hardly. The reason there are only 10 or so regular posters in there anymore is because almost everyone else is run off by the dickish attitudes of most people. Comments in this thread from other people already prove that.
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Are you making this stuff up as you go along? Have you even been into the thread?
 
Well the very fact the Halo threads All-Star Players are in here holding down the fort is sort of proof of what he's saying really. I don't even know what the Halo 3 thread became, it was like some kind of secret club for 10 or so posters, and I imagine the ODST one will befall the same fate.

This is completely topic worthy because the focus on matchmaking and what supposed industry brand leaders have offered in ways of multiplayer has effected plenty of other online games. Bungies arrogant "you'll play what we want you to play" line in the sand has empowered other devs to take the same stand behind just offering matchmaking. But when even japanese developers are offering server lists (MetalGearOnline, Lost Planet 2 and more) it really results into a narrowing of the eyes when a game is released in 2009 that you can't even hop into a quick game of its most highlighted mode (Firefight) without assembling and organising your own friends to be online at the same time.

Its kind of sad its not being mentioned as a big minus in reviews either, because many people here are surprised still.

No ServerLists completely neutered the point of Forge Maps for the mainstream as well. Theres plenty of reasons why they should be introduced, and very few why there shouldnt be. But Bungie's response has always been particularly arrogant on the matter, just as it was on the broken Halo 3 melee for months (finally caved and semi-fixed that though, so theres hope!).
 
Assembly Required said:
...I find it annoying to have to go through a list, messaging friends and a bunch somewhat random people just so I can get a game of co-op going. MM firefight...why doesn't this exist!?
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Someone start a petition - quick!
 
The Faceless Master said:
looks like he didn't even need to get into that thread to get jumped.
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Really? I only singled him out because he's done this in the past. Do you even visit the ODST thread?

SecretBonusPoint said:
Well the very fact the Halo threads All-Star Players are in here holding down the fort is sort of proof of what he's saying really. I don't even know what the Halo 3 thread became, it was like some kind of secret club for 10 or so posters, and I imagine the ODST one will befall the same fate.
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You say "all- star players," so plural. Can you name more than one of these "all-star players"? While you're at it, can you name some examples of "holding down the fort"?

In the end, there were more than ten or so regulars in the Halo 3 thread.

Its kind of sad its not being mentioned as a big minus in reviews either, because many people here are surprised still.

No ServerLists completely neutered the point of Forge Maps for the mainstream as well. Theres plenty of reasons why they should be introduced, and very few why there shouldnt be. But Bungie's response has always been particularly arrogant on the matter, just as it was on the broken Halo 3 melee for months (finally caved and semi-fixed that though, so theres hope!).
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In regards to reviews, I wasn't expecting matchmaking for co-op and Firefight, given Halo 2 and Halo 3, and due the game's expansion origins, there probably wasn't any need to mention it in reviews.

There are plenty of Forged maps in matchmaking.
 
Dax01 said:
In regards to reviews, I wasn't expecting matchmaking for co-op and Firefight, given Halo 2 and Halo 3, and due the game's expansion origins, there probably wasn't any need to mention it in reviews.

There are plenty of Forged maps in matchmaking.
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Yes that the developers put in there to rotation. I mean if there were server lists, then there wouldnt be a need for that hands-on approach, as people could play their own Forge stuff without having to have a full friends list online and ready to roll out.

Also Halo has it "easy" in regards to there always being people online to play in Matchmaking. Other games have followed this blueprint of "who needs serverlists eh!!" and thus a month after release its impossible to ever get a game. A Server List ensures quick and easy jumping into games, which for some of us is important. I don't want to wait watching a screen telling me its finding me a game for 5 minutes. I would have been perfectly able to find one in 30 seconds, but now I'll just go and play another game instead.

As for the strawman argument of "it wasn't in 2 or 3 so I'm not bothered", thats not the point in reviewing a product in the period of its release. Tech improves, so do games, and they should be judged accordingly. Okay fine, no online Co-Op in the campaign is fair enough, but I consider no matchmaking even or server-list or anything for Firefight to essentially be a game-breaking flaw.
 
SecretBonusPoint said:
As for the strawman argument of "it wasn't in 2 or 3 so I'm not bothered", thats not the point in reviewing a product in the period of its release. Tech improves, so do games, and they should be judged accordingly. Okay fine, no online Co-Op in the campaign is fair enough, but I consider no matchmaking even or server-list or anything for Firefight to essentially be a game-breaking flaw.
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Reviewers are idiots, what do you want? There should be bitching to high heaven in each and every one of the reviews, instead we get complaints about the cheesy music. It doesn't help that they have to get the reviews out before launch, meaning they don't even have access to the actual community. I wonder how many reviews commented on the new maps beyond saying they exist. I mean hell, firefight itself has a ton of problems with it but there's nothing but superficial "It's like horde!!" shit.

Also Halo has it "easy" in regards to there always being people online to play in Matchmaking. Other games have followed this blueprint of "who needs serverlists eh!!" and thus a month after release its impossible to ever get a game. A Server List ensures quick and easy jumping into games, which for some of us is important. I don't want to wait watching a screen telling me its finding me a game for 5 minutes. I would have been perfectly able to find one in 30 seconds, but now I'll just go and play another game instead.
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I hate serverlists. It encourages jumping in/out far too much. Don't like your team/map/thatguythatkilledyou? Find a new game! Or hell, just reconnect and join the other side! Not to mention how many games actually have drop in/drop out? How many games don't just use server lists to launch games from? That's beyond terrible.
 
SecretBonusPoint said:
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You're responding as if I disagreed with you on some notion when I didn't. However, Bungie thinks that the best way to experience Halo MP is through matchmaking. With server lists, wouldn't you just be waiting for a game to start so there will be enough people and even teams? Wouldn't that take the same amount of time as matchmaking (you note "five minutes")? Also, wouldn't there be a lot of jumping in/out? I don't think that would work for Halo's gameplay.

You still working on that list of all-star players?

As for the strawman argument of "it wasn't in 2 or 3 so I'm not bothered", thats not the point in reviewing a product in the period of its release. Tech improves, so do games, and they should be judged accordingly.
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I was offering possible reasons why the reviewers steered away from it, not excuses. I don't care for reviews that much.
Okay fine, no online Co-Op in the campaign is fair enough, but I consider no matchmaking even or server-list or anything for Firefight to essentially be a game-breaking flaw.
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I don't consider it game-breaking because, personally, I play Halo for the single-player experience, not for the online multiplayer.
 
Dax01 said:
Really? I only singled him out because he's done this in the past. Do you even visit the ODST thread?
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well, you are basically proving him right, and seeing the reactions here, i don't think i want to visit that thread, you guys have already shown great examples of why i should avoid it.
 
The Faceless Master said:
well, you are basically proving him right, and seeing the reactions here, i don't think i want to visit that thread, you guys have already shown great examples of why i should avoid it.
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So you admit to not having ever entered the ODST thread and are now basing a view on what one person has said? That's some sound logic. Again, I only quoted him because this isn't the first time he's done this.

Also, who are these "you guys" and what examples are you talking about?
 
Dax01 said:
So you admit to not having ever entered the ODST thread and are now basing a view on what one person has said? That's some sound logic. Again, I only quoted him because this isn't the first time he's done this.

Also, who are these "you guys" and what examples are you talking about?
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see, now you're doing it to me. it's like you're blinded by rage. i'm basing my view on reactions like yours.
 
The Faceless Master said:
see, now you're doing it to me. it's like you're blinded by rage. i'm basing my view on reactions like yours.
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Blinded by rage? Hardly. Rage for what?

I'm asking you to clarify your statements, i.e., when you said "you guys" and "examples," yet you refuse to do so.
 
Son of Godzilla said:
I hate serverlists. It encourages jumping in/out far too much. Don't like your team/map/thatguythatkilledyou? Find a new game! Or hell, just reconnect and join the other side! Not to mention how many games actually have drop in/drop out? How many games don't just use server lists to launch games from? That's beyond terrible.
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I'm usually staunchly against server lists, but why can there not be a happy medium between the two? What's wrong with having a server list for co-op and Firefight? Honestly, I never used the matchmaking set up for Horde in Gears of War 2, but I liked having the option. Even if someone has a lot of friends, some times it's hard getting four people together for Firefight. So why not have the option for people to hop in a Firefight game they find on a sever list? It's not like more options is a bad thing.

EDIT: Dax is right, this isn't the first time I've entered into a Halo discussion topic and brought up points about how the game can be fixed. I'm just a blind troll that hates Halo. Wait, that's why I own every Halo game, love the majority and consider ODST to be one of the best games of the year. I just hate Halo!
 
Yeah I was really disappointed when I found out it didn't have matchmaking, will kill the mode within short time when everybody moves on. Even today you can search for Horde games in Gears 2 or Nazi Zombie games in COD:WAW and within a minute be playing with 3 other people and having a good time. I doubt 2-3 months from now you will be able to find a firefight game whenever you want if at all, since most people aren't going to be loading the game up regularly (due to the fact that it doesn't have matchmaking).

So find a big group that plays now and get in all your firefight time while you can.
 
JdFoX187 said:
Dax is right, this isn't the first time I've entered into a Halo discussion topic and brought up points about how the game can be fixed. I'm just a blind troll that hates Halo. Wait, that's why I own every Halo game, love the majority and consider ODST to be one of the best games of the year. I just hate Halo!
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Please don't put words into my mouth. I never called you a "blind troll" and someone who "hates Halo." I only quoted your post to comment on your anecdotal evidence for Team Mythic, that's it.

In regards to what you said about how you "brought up points about how the game can be fixed," you did not do this in the post of yours I quoted.
 
Wow, I didnt know it still had no match making capabilities for co-op, and even for firefight. This actually lowers my interest for ODST now.
 
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