truestatic
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I think the suggestion is that PS+ undermines launch sales.
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Publisher rejects game, dev sends salty reply and publishes it on Facebook
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I think the suggestion is that PS+ undermines launch sales.
ezekielpacman
Member
Interesting, wasn't sure if I missed anything previously. I wonder if we'll see things scaled back going forward for the new gen (notwithstanding forced scaling back due to no content).
Almost as interesting as this CEO guy's attitude, lol.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Gobshite
Family Fry
Member
Well it will be classed as negative to some publishers, all you need to do is see the amount of people who say. I'll grab it when it's free.
Question is what if it's never free? Then it never sells?
Point in question, Mike Bithell demo'd his new game, Volume, very recently. It will debut on PS4, he said it would be priced around £13/$20, after this someone asked him, free or discounted for ps+ subscribers?
People are already in the mindset.
OverBlood 3
Banned
you all are ass and crap
Off-Kilter
Banned
What a fucking child.
I think it's easy to see that the "free" war is a race to the bottom (especially difficult for MS, since their games are literally giveaways and not rentals). It benefits the player, and it provides some benefit to the publisher (in that they get compensation in some form), but it also devalues the product and fosters a different mindset in consumers.
I know I've found myself in weird situations as a result - I bought Hotline Miami on Vita, it went free recently and I've only spent about 2 hours on it (I played the hell out of the PC version). I don't mind supporting the developers, but I also know that I threw away $15 for basically nothing (or $10, whatever it cost). Next time I'm not sure I'll play something I'm likely to hold off and wait for a day that may never come. Not a good situation for publishers if it keeps increasing this way. The big hitters will be fine, but smaller titles will suffer - that's a problem that we had this generation before PS+ ever came about.
digoutyoursoul
Member
You are wee wees then so there
VibratingDonkey
Member
The translation makes it an amusing adventure of stupid.
bleachrude
Banned
Besides the meltdown (and people think publishers have it easy with developers). I too ind the other tidbits interesting...especially given that this is Deep Silver. While Deep silver is no EA in size, it probably is as big as Take 2 and is probably bigger than Paradox Interactive.
What does it mean when you literally have 4-5 games being released every week for an indie developers When Braid hit Xbox live, I distinctly remember it being on the front page for WEEKS if not months As much as Blow has problems with MS, MS gave that game serious visibility. As someone earlier pointed out, what now when potentially you get 100+ games in a month. I really want to see how Sony, MS, Valve et al are going to do curation otherwise we're going to get the Android store.
EDIT: Didn't the people of GreenManGaming recently warn/talk about the effect these sales were having on customers? Yet they felt powerless to stop it?
What does it mean when you literally have 4-5 games being released every week for an indie developers When Braid hit Xbox live, I distinctly remember it being on the front page for WEEKS if not months As much as Blow has problems with MS, MS gave that game serious visibility. As someone earlier pointed out, what now when potentially you get 100+ games in a month. I really want to see how Sony, MS, Valve et al are going to do curation otherwise we're going to get the Android store.
EDIT: Didn't the people of GreenManGaming recently warn/talk about the effect these sales were having on customers? Yet they felt powerless to stop it?
phosphor112
Banned
Maybe nVidia borrows all their salt form him.
Jeez.
Jeez.
Black Door
Banned
Why on earth would they ever think that Deep Silver would OK and back an indie beat em up that's at like .005% completeness yet already looks like App Store shovelware?
Family Fry
Member
My issue with the Killer is Dead is more the button mashing. Made me his a wall which I can't pass because of it and basically killed the game for me.
Deep Silver usually only publishes games from well known people anyway, I don't think they were a good fit for the developer anyway.
I wounder if there will be a rebuttle from the publisher? Though I think its an issue which they would have to avoid, as its really a developer been unprofessional rather then them. They could reveal what the developer showed them at least I guess.
Not many people are understanding the situation as the letters are badly translated (no offense, OP, it was a good attempt!).
I took the liberty to translate the emails myself as I am fluent in both English and Spanish are are able to translate the emotions that are shown in these letters and the people that say "Another Phil Fish" are not even far from the truth.
Oscar Del Moral's Rejecting Letter to NEOSAGA
NEOSAGA's CEO response to Oscar:
I took the liberty to translate the emails myself as I am fluent in both English and Spanish are are able to translate the emotions that are shown in these letters and the people that say "Another Phil Fish" are not even far from the truth.
Oscar Del Moral's Rejecting Letter to NEOSAGA
NEOSAGA's CEO response to Oscar:
clem84
Gold Member
yup, lol
"The CEO of NeoSaga could have let it slide, quietly pitching his game to another publisher or attempting to find funding elsewhere.
Instead, he decided to keep it real."
I'm preeeetty sure that Koch Media email was part of business correspondence and thus subject to certain terms of nondisclosure.
Also, what a bratty response. Guy needs a good spanking or two. He doesn't know how to handle rejection... Or, put another way, seeing as this has reached even us heavenly beings on neogaf, his idea of a PR campaign is crude, but kinda effective.
Also, what a bratty response. Guy needs a good spanking or two. He doesn't know how to handle rejection... Or, put another way, seeing as this has reached even us heavenly beings on neogaf, his idea of a PR campaign is crude, but kinda effective.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I'm actually really interested in this side of the discussion. How do you stand out anymore... honestly if Braid landed today, on Steam, XBLA, or PSN we probably wouldn't know who Jonathan Blow is.. it'd have been buried in the sea of crap out there.
BronsonLee
Member
What a shitty response from the dev. Koch Media didn't do diddly, dude's just crazy.
CambriaRising
Member
I lost it at "You are all ass and crap".
I might use that later.
I might use that later.
Neuromancer
Member
He really does have passion, I'll give him that.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
The unfortunate truth of being a publisher is having to reject titles.
It's nothing personal. I always feel bad when we have to, even when the game isn't good at all. I feel for them.
That's a pretty awful response, though. Dude is just doing his job.
It's nothing personal. I always feel bad when we have to, even when the game isn't good at all. I feel for them.
That's a pretty awful response, though. Dude is just doing his job.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
What he was saying was that it's hard to compete with free games.
Don't be playing on my phone!!
Seriously though, this thing is hilarious. The dude just asked for help from a publisher and then took a shit on them. If they were so antiquated and on the way out, why ask them for help in the first place!?
Rawket Lawnchair
Member
I like his attitude.
Now go and make a great game.
Now go and make a great game.
Reallink
Member
Bet they hate Steam sales too.
Koch Media is the publisher that took Volition/Saint's Row off THQ's hands, right?
Sounds like the devs fucked up big time if they took Koch's "we don't want to publish this right now before we know how the console-market-landscape is," as an outright rejection. :/
Sounds like the devs fucked up big time if they took Koch's "we don't want to publish this right now before we know how the console-market-landscape is," as an outright rejection. :/
bleachrude
Banned
I'm pretty sure Green Man gaming has gone on record as stating they hate sales as well (or at the least think its unhealthy for the industry).
re: Visibility
This is something I actually would love to see get more views. How going forward do the platform holders actually give games a fair shake...the latest indie game getting a push is the Stanley parable (stand by my first statement...this isn't a game) but at the same time, on Steam's frontpage, even if you factor out games that have console releases, there's over 25 games released in the last week.
Unless the game gets on the front page of Steam or gets reviewed by one of the big sites, there's literally no way I can see a new game getting a look and it isn't even like you can blame the console holders..how does Sony/MS give a fair shake to everyone when there's over 20 titles coming a week?
This thing gets better every time I read it, seriously.
His video is quite revealing, he "hates to program" and "It's learning now but it's a pain in the ass". Also the current state of the "game" seems to be a single oddly moving sprite. I don't even know how Kotch actually had the consideration of reaching him back.
His video is quite revealing, he "hates to program" and "It's learning now but it's a pain in the ass". Also the current state of the "game" seems to be a single oddly moving sprite. I don't even know how Kotch actually had the consideration of reaching him back.
Love the reference! I agree.
I understand the guy being disappointed that a potential revenue stream shot him down, but now he has basically pissed in all the other streams and can't find anything clean to drink.
angelcage87
Member
I read the original facebook deal in Spanish, with this song on repeat. It greatly enhanced the experience : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZz3y6r-5H8
Having said that, yeah he pretty much killed his company. Unfortunately, I have some friends with similar issues. They are also trying to "make it" with basically nothing aside from mediocre ideas, refusing any kind of criticism and acting like drama queens. They are out of business now (well they never had a business to begin with). Don't play the game if you can't deal with the rules.
Having said that, yeah he pretty much killed his company. Unfortunately, I have some friends with similar issues. They are also trying to "make it" with basically nothing aside from mediocre ideas, refusing any kind of criticism and acting like drama queens. They are out of business now (well they never had a business to begin with). Don't play the game if you can't deal with the rules.
I wonder what his staff meetings are like?
perfect :asd:
btw the koch media email underlines the problems born with ps plus, free games with gold and f2p.
Spring-Loaded
Member
I kept my composure up until the Phil Fish namedrop.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
What an idiot, the worst thing of all, he gives small spanish indie studios like us a bad name. Thanks a lot Antonio. We dont need guys like this in the industry.
At least I laughed with how he tried to translate some typical spanish phrases lol.
Holy shit! So many people of Vandal here lol
At least I laughed with how he tried to translate some typical spanish phrases lol.
Holy shit! So many people of Vandal here lol
Canis lupus
Member
The title sounds like he published his game on facebook.
GhostTrick
Banned
The worst thing here is that they didn't even gave him a typical PR answer. They gave him which looks like a real reason here.
BTW, there's another thing catching my attention here, it seems that some publishers might no be fond of PS+.
BTW, there's another thing catching my attention here, it seems that some publishers might no be fond of PS+.