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Punch it, Bishop! ALIENS 25th Anniversary Appreciation Thread
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SCULLIBUNDO
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EschatonDX said:
You lucky sumbitch. Director's Cut/Special Edition I hope.
Danne-Danger
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Resurrection is a lot better when viewed with the Jean-Pierre Jeunet commentary track, that guy really likes the movie. It's almost a bit contagious.
VistraNorrez
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Buckethead said:
No, he prefers the Alien theatrical cut. The Director's Cut was only named so for marketing reason. He only made it because Fox wanted an extended version with recently restored deleted scenes inserted into the film. But he realized inserting those scenes messed with the pacing so he trimmed the rest of the film for the sake of pacing.
Scott tends to release Director's Cuts because he lets the studio do what they want for the theatrical release. He knows they are a business and want to make money, and feels letting them have final say (aka making a more commercial film) makes them feel more financially comfortable.
It's the reason we'll probably see a PG-13 Prometheus in theaters.
SCULLIBUNDO
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EschatonDX said:
You should be.
Triple Oceans
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So if want to buy Aliens on blu ray, which one should I get?
Ollie Pooch
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Alien 3 is a complete downer, pretty depressing from start to finish - it's not a great film, but it has a really awesome visual style and mood.EschatonDX said:
TOM f'N CRUISE
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i would wanna carry one of those if that shit happened... or in a zombie apocalypseScullibundo said:
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
EschatonDX said:
Assembly cut is the best version to watch. It is a bit long though, and most of the characters suck and you can't tell them apart, but it makes for a decent conclusion to the series.
TheDarkKnight774
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julls said:
Alien 3 is like RE3 in a lot of ways. It gets a lot of hate, I can understand where it comes from (the big reset button at the start) but on its own I still enjoy it for what it was.
bob_arctor
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Velti said:
Can't be said enough. This movie blew my mind when I went to see it in theaters back in the day. I sat in the very front row with my best friend and had no idea what was coming aside from remembering how scared Alien made me. The 80's really gave us some dope shit. This, Escape From New York, Conan etc.
Henchmen21
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No Tobor is right. The theatrical cut is a better movie. The added scenes ruin the pacing while adding little to nothing the theatrical cut didn't already have.Scullibundo said:Eat shit, Tobor!
The Director's Cut shits all over the theatrical cut, colony scenes and all. The scene where Hadley's Hope discovers the alien ship sets up a huge sense of foreboding that just isn't present in the theatrical.
Everything else is a must. Eliminating the relationship between Hicks and Ripley was criminal.
You posted scenes Ripley and Hicks. Did we need those? No. We see the affection they share throughout the movie in particular when he teaches her how to use the assault rifle.
The Sentry gun scene? Is it supposed to show us the alien intelligence? We already get that when they cut off the power or any of the tactics they use to take out the marines or when the queen signals to her soldiers to stand down to keep Ripley from frying her eggs.
But the worst offender is the colony scenes. Totally undermines the tension in the first third of the film. By waiting to see the colony after the attack just like the marines, we're put in their shoes feeling the same way they are.
The only scene worth keeping is the scene early in the movie when Ripley finds out about her daughter.
P.S. James Horner's best score is Willow. Fact.
ArachosiA 78
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Count me as someone who vastly prefers the theatrical cut.
ryutaro's mama
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Henchmen21 said:
Seeing how you were flatout wrong in the rest of your post, why should that change on your "P.S."?
Horner's greatest score by a mile is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_(film)
It's not even close, really.
Henchmen21
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The problem with that is like Highlander (and the first Terminator) it ends in such a way that prevents any possible sequels. All the aliens were destroyed including the eggs (yeah don't try and give me Alien3's bullshit retcon). The Queen was flushed out into space. So any sequel would have been utter nonsense...as we saw in real life with each subsequent movie.jgminto said:
I love this movie so much, I made this. It uses a lot of Aliens samples 
SCULLIBUNDO
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Always thought the space installation near Earth was cool.
The best movie of all time.
I have watched it over 100 times easily. By far the most perfect action or sci-fi movie ever made.
And after watching the director's cut and theatrical cut many many times, the theatrical cut takes the cake. The added scenes do not add much, and ruin the pacing and some of the scenes just plain suck with terrible acting (When Hudson is talking about how him and his crew of bad asses will protect Ripley....just terrible. No where near up to par as the rest of the film and his character.)
I have watched it over 100 times easily. By far the most perfect action or sci-fi movie ever made.
And after watching the director's cut and theatrical cut many many times, the theatrical cut takes the cake. The added scenes do not add much, and ruin the pacing and some of the scenes just plain suck with terrible acting (When Hudson is talking about how him and his crew of bad asses will protect Ripley....just terrible. No where near up to par as the rest of the film and his character.)
Patrick Bateman
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Thanks to this thread I ordered the BluRay-collection on amazon, now. And while I was at it, I ordered Lord of the Rings, too.
Now, I have to live from spaghetti the rest of the month.
Now, I have to live from spaghetti the rest of the month.
SCULLIBUNDO
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antipod said:
Wrong.
The real sequel is what Cameron was working on before FOX decided to pass on his project, instead opting for AvP.
http://movies.ign.com/articles/427/427459p1.html
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/22405
He was going to take us to the Alien homeworld to explore the origins of the Xenos
I guess we're going to get a bit of that with Prometheus, but Alien 5 as Cameron described it seriously would have been the movie of forever. Arnold/Cameron combo in an Alien film.
Patrick Bateman
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Fuck those people and their AvP.
Alien 5 would have been so much better. But my guess is that Sigourney Weaver would be to old for it, now.
Alien 5 would have been so much better. But my guess is that Sigourney Weaver would be to old for it, now.
PhoncipleBone
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As Sculli posted, they could still go to the Xenomorph home world. We only saw the one queen the space jockey had on its ship.Henchmen21 said:
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Her involvement in the franchise should have ended with 3.Patrick Bateman said:Fuck those people and their AvP.
Alien 5 would have been so much better. But my guess is that Sigourney Weaver would be to old for it, now.
SCULLIBUNDO
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B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
Fixed.
SCULLIBUNDO
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jgminto said:
Having Hicks trying to deal with protecting his makeshift family in Ripley and Newt on a prison planet full of rapists could have been so very interesting. Killing them off was seriously the stupidest decision ever.
SabinFigaro
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This thread convinced me to watch Aliens with commentary for the first time (but the movie for the umpteenth time).
I've never seen the theatrical cut, only the director's cut, so to hear what was original left out is pretty appalling. To hear them say that Sigourney based her character arc on the death of her daughter was understandable, and to see it cut was a poor decision. Still, the content removed was nothing on the scale of something like Kingdom of Heaven, or other movies.
The one fact I learned that I never knew was that Paul Reiser's character was originally supposed to "survive", meaning he would be cocooned. Ripley was to find him in his search for Newt, and give him one of her grenades. The explosion after she rescues Newt was actually his character blowing himself up. Good stuff!
I've never seen the theatrical cut, only the director's cut, so to hear what was original left out is pretty appalling. To hear them say that Sigourney based her character arc on the death of her daughter was understandable, and to see it cut was a poor decision. Still, the content removed was nothing on the scale of something like Kingdom of Heaven, or other movies.
The one fact I learned that I never knew was that Paul Reiser's character was originally supposed to "survive", meaning he would be cocooned. Ripley was to find him in his search for Newt, and give him one of her grenades. The explosion after she rescues Newt was actually his character blowing himself up. Good stuff!
SCULLIBUNDO
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SabinFigaro said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zCnKbKr7eI
It also explains the explosion later when she's escaping with Newt.
Patrick Bateman
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B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
Well it hadn't. That's why I'm thinking that an Alien 5 without her would feel awkward.
But I'm of the same opinion that they shouldn't have completely connect the whole franchise to her character.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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I hate the Alien commentary track. Well it's more accurate that I hate commentary tracks that splice together different recordings. I wanted to hear more from the cast. They were always interesting (and possibly drunk) when we heard what they had to say. I was hoping they'd seperate the commentary tracks on the blu-ray, but sadly no.
SabinFigaro
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Hmmmm... I'm glad that got cut actually. I'm all big on character redemption, but Burke didn't need it. Good cut.Scullibundo said:
I agree. I really wanted a Cameron-exclusive, and a cast exclusive. Cameron was a fountain of knowledge, and it sucked when he got cut out. The cast was there for a few laughs, but it also wasn't enough.Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
spookyfish
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GREAT thread, Sculli.
So, now that Scott is re-visiting the Alien universe, what do you think the chances are that Cameron might do the same in the future?
So, now that Scott is re-visiting the Alien universe, what do you think the chances are that Cameron might do the same in the future?
Nappuccino
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SabinFigaro said:
If the cast had done less "omg this movie where in is amazing" and more talking about how it was on the set and little factoid stuff, it would have been better.
Nappuccino
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jett said:
I did not know people like us existed.
SabinFigaro
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Also true, there was virtually nothing of substance.Nappuccino said:
I do the same. They were crappy fan fiction brought to the screen. As far as I'm concerned this series ended with Aliens, with Newt, Ripley and Hicks returning home as a family, full stop.Velti said:
Prometheus will be the first new entry in the series - sort of - since Aliens.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Home?GhaleonEB said:
Nah they continued fighting against the Xenomophs for a bad-ass trilogy, then at the end they found out the Xenomorphs were actually the future evolution of the human race who travelled back in time thanks to a white dwarf, so to end the war they kill all humans.
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