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[davepoobond]

What is LPCM sound?

i believe lossless PCM (pcm is just a type of audio i think)


i dont see why this is such a big deal -- software decoding means you can update the software with firmware updates like the PSP has. If there are problems or updates, Sony will have you upgrade the firmware. voila.

 

[Sjoerd]

Cell decoding of HD streams and RSX will be handling the Rending of the video. This isn't some cheap IC thats getting manufactured at $50. This is why I laugh at people who say this shit will be exactly like the Xbox so quickly.

You've got a processor that seems like it was born to do this stuff and a high powered GPU rending the video itself. That should answer your question.

Ehm, the Xbox DVD playing software was crap, that's why it looked horrible. It had almost nothing to do with the hardware. Same thing with the 360 alhough they fixed that with the new update.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Ehm, the Xbox DVD playing software was crap, that's why it looked horrible. It had almost nothing to do with the hardware. Same thing with the 360 alhough they fixed that with the new update.

Well, thank god for Updates then

Wink Wink

 

[mckmas8808]

Well, thank god for Updates then

Wink Wink

A la PSP right?

 

[BlueTsunami]

A la PSP right?

Not sure if this will be the case for the PS3 but hopefully Sony supports it (in regards to updates) in the same fashion.

 

[mrklaw]

Getting that (DTS-HD, DD+) out of the PS3 through anything other than HDMI1.3 is the issue. A/V enthusiasts then have to rely on having a receiver which is able to handle HDMI1.3 audio streams, of which none are on the market yet. The critical advantage all stand alone players have right now come from having decoded 5.1 analog audio outputs from the unit. They can be hooked into any old receiver, as the audio has already been processed.

HDMI1.3 is over emphasised.

Most HD players will need to decode the movie audio inside the player, to allow mixing of audio commentaries and menu navigation FX etc.

You can then output that as analog through the audio outs on a standalone player, or as uncompressed PCM down the HDMI, or re-encode it as high bitrate DD or DTS and output via the optical/coax out. For the HDMI, 1.1 is fine as it isn't passing the uncompressed original soundtrack, its sending the decoded/mixed PCM, which 1.1 upwards support.

The PS3 should have both of the latter options. I don't have a HDMI receiver yet, so I'll be relying on the DD/DTS re-encode. Lets hope its good.

 

[Mark Gonzales]

The movies look great on my PS3. But the games....not so much.

 

[PjotrStroganov]

HDMI1.3 is over emphasised.

Most HD players will need to decode the movie audio inside the player, to allow mixing of audio commentaries and menu navigation FX etc.

You can then output that as analog through the audio outs on a standalone player, or as uncompressed PCM down the HDMI, or re-encode it as high bitrate DD or DTS and output via the optical/coax out. For the HDMI, 1.1 is fine as it isn't passing the uncompressed original soundtrack, its sending the decoded/mixed PCM, which 1.1 upwards support.

The PS3 should have both of the latter options. I don't have a HDMI receiver yet, so I'll be relying on the DD/DTS re-encode. Lets hope its good.

So for most people with older receivers supporting only DTS and DD5.1, the audio quality of HD-DVD and Blu-ray should be better than that of current DVD's?

 

[lynux3]

Will the fact that PlayStation 3 is software-decoded Blu-ray player affect IQ?

Anyone?

 

[BlueTsunami]

Anyone?

Not to sure. It depends on how competent Cell and RSX can work together to decode the HD Vids (which is what this thread is about). Guess we'll find out in November.

 

[dirtmonkey37]

I'm sure the quality won't match blue ray players that come out in 2 years but that quality difference may be unnoticeable.



The main thing you should worry about is how slow it is (2x, which is 6.75 MB/S read speed)

 

[Kleegamefan]

I'm talking disrete not matrixed. HD sound formats such as Dobly Digital Plus, or DTS HD

What?

PS3 premium can pass a Dolby TrueHD stream, which is not only discrete, but lossless too....that is, it is sonicly identical to the master....it is the top of Dolby's food chain (DTHD->DD+->DD5.1->DPL)

 

[Kleegamefan]

HDMI1.3 is over emphasised.

Most HD players will need to decode the movie audio inside the player, to allow mixing of audio commentaries and menu navigation FX etc.

You can then output that as analog through the audio outs on a standalone player, or as uncompressed PCM down the HDMI, or re-encode it as high bitrate DD or DTS and output via the optical/coax out. For the HDMI, 1.1 is fine as it isn't passing the uncompressed original soundtrack, its sending the decoded/mixed PCM, which 1.1 upwards support.

The PS3 should have both of the latter options. I don't have a HDMI receiver yet, so I'll be relying on the DD/DTS re-encode. Lets hope its good.

As usual, mrklaw is totally correct


To add to this, another possible benifit you *could* have with HDMI 1.3 out is that all DSP processing (Room Correction, EQ, Bass Mgt. DTHD decoding) would happen inside the reciever if it accepted HDMI 1.3 audio streams *and* had the appropiate decoders.....this has to be the optimal solution, I would think....


Again that is:


Blu-ray movie with DD+/dts-HD/DTHD audio stream encoded on disk->sound stream output via HDMI 1.3 outs on Blu-ray Player->DD+/dts-HD/DTHD audio stream decoded inside reciver with HDMI 1.3 ins and appropriate decoder and with room correction/parametric EQ/Bass Mgt. applied to DD+/dts-HD/DTHD which still in the digital domain->D/A conversion before amp gain stage and output to speakers (unless you have digital amplification, in which case D/A conversion is eliminated)

 

[Darkangus]

Just for the record:

 

[DarienA]

Just for the record:

Das alot o logos!

 

[Y2Kev]

I love having lots of logos. I hope on PS5 it like...comes with a paper with all the logos.

 

[Mmmkay]

To add to this, another possible benifit you *could* have with HDMI 1.3 out is that all DSP processing (Room Correction, EQ, Bass Mgt. DTHD decoding) would happen inside the reciever if it accepted HDMI 1.3 audio streams *and* had the appropiate decoders.....this has to be the optimal solution, I would think....

Yeah, that is pretty much the ideal solution and something that PS3 is set up for (which is what I was inferring anyway). But, as it stands (with no HDMI 1.3 receivers on the market), the current optimal solution is with having 5.1 analog outputs on the stand alone unit and that equates to a selling point over the PS3.

I wasn't saying that the PS3 is screwed audio wise, but that it doesn't yet present the best solution for enthusiasts.

 

[BlueTsunami]

 

[brandonh83]

Remember the port incident? :lol

 

[Kleegamefan]

That is some funny shit Blue :lol

 

[Brofist]

release version

 

[Rhindle]

release version

:lol

 

[BlueTsunami]

release version

:lol

Thats just messed up

 

[mrklaw]

KLee, how does your solution handle the sound that needs to be mixed into the audio stream (menu sounds, commentaries etc)? Doesn't it have to be decoded in the player to be mixed, then all sound output will be PCM? I just don't know if HDMI1.3 has any actual benefit for audio. In theory you could pass the higher audio formats direct, but I'm not sure about in practice due to BD-J and iHDs needs for audio mixing.

But basically, here's the food chain, starting with the simplest/worst first (PS3 in brackets if its likely to support that option:


1) Stereo phonos from the player to your TV (PS£)
2) Optical out to your receiver, carrying the original DD/DTS/EX (PS3)
3) optical out to your receiver, carrying DD+, DTHD, DTSHD decoded in the player, mixed and converted to high bitrate DTS/DD (PS3)
4) Analog outs from the player to the receiver, carrying DD+, DTHD, DTSHD decoded in the player, mixed and ouput as analog PCM (not PS3)
5) HDMI to your receiver, carrying DD+, DTHD, DTSHD decoded in the player, mixed and ouput as PCM (PS3 HDMI pack) - pretty much the same as 4 quality wise

My setup limits me to option 3. Even though I have analog inputs, the PS3 most likely won't have outputs. I should be happy with that for a while if PS3 is a good player. If not, or the sound is a lot better with 4 or 5, then I'll need a standalone player or upgraded receiver.