Why does he have "issues"? In general I think its perfectly reasonable to think what's cool for other people's kids isn't what I want for my own. Some people want their sons to be athletes but end up with book worms or vice versa. What's wrong with having a preference?
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Question: Should Homosexuality Be Encouraged?
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Why does he have "issues"? In general I think its perfectly reasonable to think what's cool for other people's kids isn't what I want for my own. Some people want their sons to be athletes but end up with book worms or vice versa. What's wrong with having a preference?
They don't have to use the sperm, they do donor profiles.
thetrin
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You seem to have some sort of complex associated with immortality, and you're using your hypothetical children to further that goal. That's pretty much the worst reason to have kids.
Those people also have issues.
Uncompromisable
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I agree though. If my child doesn't want kids no matter what, i can't force him if he made his decision. I just want to encourage him to make the decision I would prefer he or she made as much as I can. That's all.
Come up with any excuse that you deem appropriate for your irrational viewpoint, it doesn't change the fact that you are a bigot and a potentially terrible father.
It's the same type of situation (though on a vastly differently level), and it's still disappointing. When your child is born, you should want them to accomplish their dreams, not your own dreams for them.
The thing is, none of these are "decisions". You might want something that they can't give you. And you're going to have to deal with it and love them as much as you can. If not, you're going to be a shitty parent.
I don't think we're even talking about the same thing. thetrin said what I was going to do in his post above.
We're not living in the Stone Age where the species is in danger of dying out if everyone doesn't reproduce as much as possible. I think that modern society has advanced enough that we have the luxury of having a family and raising kids for emotional reasons rather than biological necessity. The idea that one would have kids solely because you want them to do something for you later on comes across as very selfish in this day and age.
If there's ever a near-extinction event that reduces the human race to a few thousand people I'll rethink my position.
Stuff like this just gets on my nerves to no end. I can't wait untill society reaches the point where sexuality is just a matter of fact, like being bald or being small.
Really, we should just be way past this as human beings by now. Lets stop ignoring simple biologic facts, such as homosexuality, because it conflicts with what you've been told by people in the past. Homesexuality is a fact, not an opinion or a choice.
This shouldn't for a second be a debate and I for one, can't wait till we're past to it being one. Let gay people be who they are, and really: if you, personally, feel it will put them in "hell" then so be it, since you're going to "heaven" anyway, why would you even be bothered?
Live and let live.
Really, we should just be way past this as human beings by now. Lets stop ignoring simple biologic facts, such as homosexuality, because it conflicts with what you've been told by people in the past. Homesexuality is a fact, not an opinion or a choice.
This shouldn't for a second be a debate and I for one, can't wait till we're past to it being one. Let gay people be who they are, and really: if you, personally, feel it will put them in "hell" then so be it, since you're going to "heaven" anyway, why would you even be bothered?
Live and let live.
I still haven't seen you explain why a gay child of yours couldn't reproduce via a surrogate and then raise the child with their partner.
Featheredkitten
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Stuff like this makes me wonder if i should feel bad for liking cooking barefoot in the kitchen.
creationtheory
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Unfortunately you'll have to wait forever.
thetrin
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Except we DO do that, via media, toys, and cultural suggestion. Look around you, man. What toys are marketed to girls? What toys are marketed to boys? What colors are associated with each gender? How do television shows paint male and female characters?
Wait, how are you supposed to cook? I don't wear shoes in my own house.
Uncompromisable
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You guys picture me as some sort of patriarchal brute, but in all honesty I want my children to have a happy life and I think having kids is part of that. I also put a DNA spin on it, that's all.
Count Dookkake
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TheKaeptain
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It's a joke.
Edit: OP, What if your straight child decides that children are not for him?
The Technomancer
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And if your kids don't think that having children of their own will necessarily make them happy?
And gay people can still have kids. What's your point?
If you have a gay child he or she will not be happy with you as a parent.
NathanMcMahon
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holy shit, please do, go on.
thetrin
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That's your issue right there. You're already pushing your desires upon your kids and they don't even exist yet.
If this is a joke post, it's not particularly funny.
The gay child would be a tainted one who he wouldn't want to pollute his family line with such weakened DNA.
I doubt that. I probably won't be alive when we get to that point, but we'll get there some day.
I think you place too much emphasis on passing on your genetic lineage through heteronormativity.
As you can see, a lot of people are really sensitive and offended at your particular wording however, this is a super touchy subject and you should really approach it with a bit more tact and caution in the future if you want to really have a discussion about it.
That being said, I am not very emotionally attached to the subject so, I'm not going to jump down your throat. I will say however that you need to consider a lot of things here.
Whether or not your children pass on your genetic lineage is really a crap shoot, regardless of whether or not they are gay or straight. Take a second and step back and really consider it - are you going to follow your child around their entire life ensuring that they become the sort of person that will eventually breed and have your grand children? What if they are sterile, have an accident, or are straight and don't want kids? There are dozens of other factors with varying degrees of likeliness that are going to effect your chances here - you will drive yourself crazy trying to think of all those things, and at the same time you end up treating your children like livestock.
I think the reason you place an unnecessarily high amount of emphasis on the homosexuality angle is because, whether or not you realize it, some part of you has been effected by the dialogue some... unsavoury people in society are putting forth in regards to homosexuality. I don't think you are a bigot or anything, but I do think that a part of you is being led by the nose to an issue that really wouldn't even be a consideration for you if the anti-homosexual dialogue wasn't so prevalent.
Really really give it some thought man.
As you can see, a lot of people are really sensitive and offended at your particular wording however, this is a super touchy subject and you should really approach it with a bit more tact and caution in the future if you want to really have a discussion about it.
That being said, I am not very emotionally attached to the subject so, I'm not going to jump down your throat. I will say however that you need to consider a lot of things here.
Whether or not your children pass on your genetic lineage is really a crap shoot, regardless of whether or not they are gay or straight. Take a second and step back and really consider it - are you going to follow your child around their entire life ensuring that they become the sort of person that will eventually breed and have your grand children? What if they are sterile, have an accident, or are straight and don't want kids? There are dozens of other factors with varying degrees of likeliness that are going to effect your chances here - you will drive yourself crazy trying to think of all those things, and at the same time you end up treating your children like livestock.
I think the reason you place an unnecessarily high amount of emphasis on the homosexuality angle is because, whether or not you realize it, some part of you has been effected by the dialogue some... unsavoury people in society are putting forth in regards to homosexuality. I don't think you are a bigot or anything, but I do think that a part of you is being led by the nose to an issue that really wouldn't even be a consideration for you if the anti-homosexual dialogue wasn't so prevalent.
Really really give it some thought man.
And yet you refuse to explain why a gay (male) child could not reproduce by hiring a surrogate (or having a friend serve in that role) impregnated via IVF so he and his partner could raise your grandchild. Of course if you have a daughter the process will be MUCH easier and cheaper too!
Hah.
thetrin
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I don't even...
creationtheory
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You've never lived in the south have you?
Uncompromisable
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Fine, you win. I could try to take that route if it happened.
I guess if I'm really serious, than it doesn't matter if s/he prefers their sex, they can have kids.
I guess I associate male homosexuality with some popular image of the homosexual lifestyle and the fact that most don't have kids.
TheKaeptain
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Bye. Fuck this. I need to sleep I have work tonight.
What is this "homosexual lifestyle"?
Uncompromisable
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I will be disappointed, that's all.
Another scary buzzword. I love you.
thetrin
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You could say the same for the nerd stereotype. Would you be horrified if you found out your kid loved Dungeons and Dragons? That thought process is just as ill-informed and idiotic.
You will be disappointed that your kids found their own definition of happiness through individual thought, rather than just copying what dad thinks? Boy, you're going to be a great father.
Boom. GAF therapy session works every time.
1) There is no "homosexual lifestyle".
2) Gays have kids. They have their own kids. They adopt kids. You could still have grandkids.
NathanMcMahon
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What's controversial about keeping gay kids together because they can't interact with other people?
krypt0nian
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You are truly fucked up.
Uncompromisable
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I guess basically that most gay men don't reproduce. But maybe as homosexuality becomes more accepted, so will homosexual families and surrogate kids. Maybe it's not bad.
Fenderputty
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From an Anthropological standpoint ... we aren't that far detached from the stone age though. We're talking millions of years of eveolution. An Anthropologist would believe that things as basic as jealously developed over years of evolution so that people can help garauntee the passing of their genes.
I'm not trying to get into a nature vs nuture debate, but I don't think that someone placing importance on the passing on of their genes is odd. It's not. It's pretty basic.
That being said ... I wouldn't care enough about passing my genes on that I need to "stack the deck" in my favor. My kids will become who they want to be, regardless of my desire to pass my genes on, and I will support them the whole way.
Well there is gays kids in every school... do you just want to put them all in one?
NathanMcMahon
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