Im responding to a post where someone assumes a parent would do exactly that and Im saying its not fair to assume by clearly stating I personally wouldnt. Fuck this Im out.
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Question: Should Homosexuality Be Encouraged?
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Escape Goat
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No, but heterosexuality should be discouraged at every opportunity.
LaserBuddha
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People think they can understand a regional culture by snapshots from news media. So of course, when the topics of "LGBT" and "The South" cross, it's going to be with an image of people protesting gay marriage.
My experiences with the South and say, New York are very similar: in rural areas there are a lot of rednecks (yes, in both places) with prejudiced views, and in major cities there are centers of learning where there is much more tolerance and enlightenment.
I know, I was agreeing with you.
Count Dookkake
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So, I will interpret the non-answers as "no."
Not sure why you are so worried about a possible outcome (that is not harmful) when you have a much bigger problem with your reproduction fantasies.
Not sure why you are so worried about a possible outcome (that is not harmful) when you have a much bigger problem with your reproduction fantasies.
LaserBuddha
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"Encouraged" implies that homosexuality is a choice, and/or sexuality can be changed by what someone is taught.
So I think the entire idea of whether or not to encourage homosexuality betrays a misunderstanding of what homosexuality is.
Of course you could think that homosexuality isn't a choice and can't be changed, and still be debating whether or not to condone it through teaching, but that's an argument that doesn't make any sense to me.
So I think the entire idea of whether or not to encourage homosexuality betrays a misunderstanding of what homosexuality is.
Of course you could think that homosexuality isn't a choice and can't be changed, and still be debating whether or not to condone it through teaching, but that's an argument that doesn't make any sense to me.
Yeah, its not so much North vs. South as much as it is rural vs. more industrialized. In rural areas there is less of a diversity of people and education while in more industrialized areas there is more of a variety of people that you meet face to face instead of just hearing slander about and more opportunities for education. Of course, the North is generally more industrialized and the South more rural.
Kids should be taught to love whoever they want, regardless of gender.
Kids should be taught to love whoever they want, regardless of gender.
Well shit, my bad then amigo. I completely misread the tone of your post, the "theyre your kids for God's sake" part made me think you were being condescending. No hard feelings.
metalslimer
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This is what I came into post. Even if its encouraged it wouldn't make any difference as kids who aren't gay aren't going to suddenly start acting that way.
iamvampire
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This is a bit of a rant FYI
I think it shouldn't be discussed.
In fact all sexuality shouldn't be discussed.
People should be prosecuted for promoting any form of sexuality. We should live in a society where sexuality is something intimately personal that should have no say on your work, your identity and your life. It shouldn't be a 'thing'.
Unfortunately everybody and their mother doesn't believe in this. Homosexuals no matter how gay and proud, will always differentiate themselves from heterosexuals and so where there is difference there is always hatred.
You want to see a society that completely accepts homosexuality amongst other nasty shit?
Now hear me out.
Afghanis ...
Oh wait what? Yeah I know right. They openly execute 'homosexuals'? What am I talking about?
Seriously read this
They're all raging homosexual pedophiles! Yet wait ... this is a country known for its total utter hatred for homosexuals! What is going on here?
Now before I continue Afghanistan society is very much fucked, the last thing I'm saying is that we should be more like them. I'm using it as a real world example of what happens when you 'differentiate' yourself. But what their society has over ours is a total lack of any sexual identity. There was no homosexuality. Hence there was no hatred for them.
Before we arrived, before western culture, before all these 'homosexual rights' etc etc arrived. Homosexuality was rampant ... but accepted. Because they didn't see it as anything different. It was just normal. But since technology, since we've arrived and shown our culture. We've separated out a normal behavior and made it different. We've created this identity to hate.
Now look at our society. It sounds harsh, but homophobia is a relatively new development ... that very interestingly correlates with 'gay pride'. The very act of 'coming out' and 'differentiating themselves from us' has created this difference, this gulf between two completely equal people.
The perfect society does not have the term 'homosexual' or 'heterosexual'. It does not have 'gay pride' it does not have 'gay mannerisms' (mainly a stereotype i know) or gay nightclubs etc etc.
The perfect society equates homosexuality and heterosexuality to liking red or blue, to preferring cider over beer, to liking reality TV over soap operas, to cycling or walking, to sleeping on your back or on your side. It is an insignificant detail of your life, neither explainable or justifiable.
Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, identity or way of life. Homosexuals are not different from Heterosexuals. They are all the same.
This.
Creates an entity to hate and fear. They dress different. They sound different. They act different. People are primates they fear what is different. They hate what they fear.
This.
Is a workable society. Everyone is equal. No one group stands out.
So in answer to the question, should we encourage homosexuality? No. We should shut it out we should shut out all sexuality. We should blanket it from our media. We should raise our children in a society that does not depict and differentiate sexuality.
I think it shouldn't be discussed.
In fact all sexuality shouldn't be discussed.
People should be prosecuted for promoting any form of sexuality. We should live in a society where sexuality is something intimately personal that should have no say on your work, your identity and your life. It shouldn't be a 'thing'.
Unfortunately everybody and their mother doesn't believe in this. Homosexuals no matter how gay and proud, will always differentiate themselves from heterosexuals and so where there is difference there is always hatred.
You want to see a society that completely accepts homosexuality amongst other nasty shit?
Now hear me out.
Afghanis ...
Oh wait what? Yeah I know right. They openly execute 'homosexuals'? What am I talking about?
Seriously read this
They're all raging homosexual pedophiles! Yet wait ... this is a country known for its total utter hatred for homosexuals! What is going on here?
Now before I continue Afghanistan society is very much fucked, the last thing I'm saying is that we should be more like them. I'm using it as a real world example of what happens when you 'differentiate' yourself. But what their society has over ours is a total lack of any sexual identity. There was no homosexuality. Hence there was no hatred for them.
Before we arrived, before western culture, before all these 'homosexual rights' etc etc arrived. Homosexuality was rampant ... but accepted. Because they didn't see it as anything different. It was just normal. But since technology, since we've arrived and shown our culture. We've separated out a normal behavior and made it different. We've created this identity to hate.
Now look at our society. It sounds harsh, but homophobia is a relatively new development ... that very interestingly correlates with 'gay pride'. The very act of 'coming out' and 'differentiating themselves from us' has created this difference, this gulf between two completely equal people.
The perfect society does not have the term 'homosexual' or 'heterosexual'. It does not have 'gay pride' it does not have 'gay mannerisms' (mainly a stereotype i know) or gay nightclubs etc etc.
The perfect society equates homosexuality and heterosexuality to liking red or blue, to preferring cider over beer, to liking reality TV over soap operas, to cycling or walking, to sleeping on your back or on your side. It is an insignificant detail of your life, neither explainable or justifiable.
Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, identity or way of life. Homosexuals are not different from Heterosexuals. They are all the same.
This.
Creates an entity to hate and fear. They dress different. They sound different. They act different. People are primates they fear what is different. They hate what they fear.
This.
Is a workable society. Everyone is equal. No one group stands out.
So in answer to the question, should we encourage homosexuality? No. We should shut it out we should shut out all sexuality. We should blanket it from our media. We should raise our children in a society that does not depict and differentiate sexuality.
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EDIT: So I'm making an actual contribution...
You're scaring me, dude. We don't need everyone to be the same in order to have equality. The point is not to repress people's differences, but rather not to treat people differently because of them.
PS Happy birthday Gaborn, I hope this thread keeps on giving for you!
EDIT: So I'm making an actual contribution...
You're scaring me, dude. We don't need everyone to be the same in order to have equality. The point is not to repress people's differences, but rather not to treat people differently because of them.
PS Happy birthday Gaborn, I hope this thread keeps on giving for you!
Well shit, my bad then amigo. I completely misread the tone of your post, the "theyre your kids for God's sake" part made me think you were being condescending. No hard feelings.
No hard feelings, I often come off that way but am generally an okay dude.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
what a fucking screed up there.
Agreed. I don't see how practical your ideas are anyway iamvampire, as by your own admission these only exist in a "perfect society" away from any media. I think being open and allowing people to explore and understand their differences is better than hiding those differences away.
Count Dookkake
Member
Interesting turn of phrase.
I completely missed that part. Man, this thread is bringing out all the crazies. We should do this more often.
Featheredkitten
Banned
This is fairly accurate to what i've experienced as well.
Count Dookkake
Member
I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting that.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
junior coming out swinging.
Count Dookkake
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That's hardly sexual education in the common understanding of it.
The subject of sexual behavior need not be addressed.
Pollux
Member
Wait...what?
You may possibly have had an ok position without the bolded, but WHY the bolded? Can you explain?
Featheredkitten
Banned
I think he's reading too much into it. It's hard to think of stuff like this without thinking about the sexual part. Children on the other hand have no idea about that and just want to know why that man is kissing that man, or that woman kissing that woman. Or why Kevin S. has two dads.
I forgot who I heard say this, but if homosexuality was a choice, then who in the fucking hell would choose it today, or in the past either? You get completely shit on by a bunch of people for it, are always going to be attacked for it, always going to have to deal with douchebags out there, not to mention all the crazies that will say you're going to burn in hell or something.
I mean, I'm not gay, so I really have no clue to the extent of how much these people just get absolutely railed against every day. It must suck to come home, and hope that you don't flip through a channel where somebody is just saying you should die or be punished because you like to fuck people of the same sex. Who the fuck would just choose that? Choose to deal with all of that?
I mean, I'm not gay, so I really have no clue to the extent of how much these people just get absolutely railed against every day. It must suck to come home, and hope that you don't flip through a channel where somebody is just saying you should die or be punished because you like to fuck people of the same sex. Who the fuck would just choose that? Choose to deal with all of that?
Pollux
Member
...I don't get it...sorry...
krypt0nian
Banned
Some amazing juniors this go around. You'd think they would read the board to see what to do or not to do.
Futurama character, Hedonism Bot. He'd say that in response to this thread.
Well I guess what I meant is that teaching preschoolers about sex is useless because at their age they wouldn't be able to comprehend the education, and then explaining the different types of sexual orientations would make it even more confusing.
Pollux
Member
I really need to watch that show.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
There's plenty of hot dudes and chicks, obviously.
loljunior
First time doing that!
It's as simple as "Some people like boys, some people like girls, theres nothing wrong with either."
I agree with that. Said better than I ever could have.
Suppose that one pre-schooler has two mommies and wants to bring them both to mothers day. What do you tell him or her? Should you explain to the kids? What would you tell them?
edit: ah, good. That's all anyone is saying.
Earthstrike
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Creates an entity to hate and fear. They dress different. They sound different. They act different. People are primates they fear what is different. They hate what they fear.
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Historically you are incorrect. People don't hate the gays because they differentiate themselves. The gay community has had to differentiate itself in response to the hatred it receives as a means of organizing and protesting such discrimination.
Also, I'd like to hear why homosexuality is "nasty shit".
les papillons sexuels
Banned
so when bobby comes home crying after school to his two mothers after Joey Junior learns to say shit like "bobby's parents are going to burn in a fire for being gay" from his homophobic father we should assume that there's no consequences because Joey doesn't understand what he's talking about? Or perhaps we could remedy it buy simply telling children that there are many different kind of families in the world?
some kids have a mommy and daddy, some kids have two mommies, some have two daddies and sometimes kids only have 1 parent. blah blah blah.
Earthstrike
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People who have been deceived by satan of course!
That's sounds like the most logical choice, agreed.
krypt0nian
Banned
That's remarkable.
I feel like the OP should be edited so that the guy doesn't get anymore flack after the seven pages spent arguing with him and (hopefully) changing his mind. This thread is now bait for other crazy people.
krypt0nian
Banned
^^^ Yeah we're way past the OP now
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