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Discotheque said:
I feel like a visual comedy director like edgar wright can bring the best out of a speedster's powers. There should be a heavy reliance on visual gags, a small glimpse of which we saw in DOFP during the kitchen scene and with the duct tape
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Aren't Phil and Lord Miller doing The Flash?
 
DaveH said:
I know I'd rather listen to Gordon Freeman's crowbar's stories than listen to AoU's QS "stories." You have one story. One! And your sister finished it for you!

I don't really get the power accuracy argument. All these adaptations are all over the map in terms of faithfulness and many of the best characters are some of the least faithful to any one particular comic portrayal, whether Jackman's Wolverine or Ledger's Joker.

I guess it's fair to raise as a metric, but I wouldn't consider it a deciding one.
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I was pointing out that QS in DoFP exists only to break Magneto out of jail and then is written off the story as soon as the job is done. He's a tool, not a character and it was the point I was contending, I'm not discussing whether or not his scene was cool
 
Neoxon said:
Baron Strucker experiments on him & Wanda using Loki's Scepter
which contains the Mind Stone
to grant them powers. The Twins are referred to as "miracles".
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No they aren't as far as I recall, and if they are, it's like one line. They're referred as that once in the end credits of CW:WS. They're referred to as "enhanced" primarily during the movie, a term "introduced" during Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..

They're "enhanced," not "miracles."

Frodo said:
He is best in X-men. Period.

Also, HUGE AVENGERS AGE OF ULTRON SPOILERS AHEAD. Do not click if you haven't seen it:
He doesn't die in X-men in the most ridiculous way possible, considering his super power and what he did previously on the respective film. He could, either, have removed Hawk and the kid out of the way of the bullets, or have moved the bullets (as evidenced by the scene where he looks at a bullet for a few seconds before falling on the hole that same bullet made by shattering the glass it went through, which Quicksilver was standing on). That was basically suicide.
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No.
He was caught by surprise by Hawkeye's bullet. He's fast, but not overpowered. He was also grazed by bullets earlier in the film, when the soldiers were firing and he was grazed by the bullet. He saved the kid and Hawkeye at the last minute, and he's shown several times to be super out of breath whenever moving people out of the way or tearing up Ultron bots. You're attaching a level of power to the character that isn't shown in the movie.
 
I liked the character better in Avengers 2 but his scene in DOFP was great. Soooo im okay with both.
 
BKatastrophe said:
No they aren't as far as I recall, and if they are, it's like one line. They're referred as that once in the end credits of CW:WS. They're referred to as "enhanced" primarily during the movie, a term "introduced" during Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..

They're "enhanced," not "miracles."



No.
He was caught by surprise by Hawkeye's bullet. He's fast, but not overpowered. He was also grazed by bullets earlier in the film, when the soldiers were firing and he was grazed by the bullet. He saved the kid and Hawkeye at the last minute, and he's shown several times to be super out of breath whenever moving people out of the way or tearing up Ultron bots. You're attaching a level of power to the character that isn't shown in the movie.
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I agree w/ you on your 2nd point. But they were referred to as miracles in the post credits scene for TWS.
 
Scullibundo said:
This is like asking what was better between those 20 minutes you got to have sex with Scarlett Johanson or the 2 hours you got to spend with present-day Helen Hunt talking about her family heirlooms.

The first was incredibly enjoyable, memorable and left you wanting more, whilst you can't quite exactly remember what happened with Helen, but you maybe feel like you know her better because you had to sit with her for a longer time and pretend to care because you thought you might still go there whilst remembering the Mad About You theme.

X-men wins.
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this is really embarassing
 
Discotheque said:
I feel like a visual comedy director like edgar wright can bring the best out of a speedster's powers. There should be a heavy reliance on visual gags, a small glimpse of which we saw in DOFP during the kitchen scene and with the duct tape
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I don't think Edgar Wright will ever do a Marvel movie again, that's for sure.

James Gunn said he and Marvel just don't match.
james-gunn-stan-lee-edgar-wright.jpg

Sometimes you have friends in a relationship. You love each of them dearly as individuals and think they’re amazing people. When they talk to you about their troubles, you do everything you can to support them, to keep them together, because if you love them both so much doesn’t it make sense they should love each other? But little by little you realize, at heart, they aren’t meant to be together – not because there’s anything wrong with either of them, but they just don’t have personalities that mesh in a comfortable way. They don’t make each other happy. Although it’s sad to see them split, when they do, you’re surprisingly relieved, and excited to see where their lives take them next.

It’s easy to try to make one party “right” and another party “wrong” when a breakup happens, but it often isn’t that simple. Or perhaps it’s even more simple than that – not everyone belongs in a relationship together. It doesn’t mean they’re not wonderful people.

And that’s true of both Edgar Wright and Marvel. One of them isn’t a person, but I think you get what I mean.
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So did Jon Favreau.
Edgar’s a dear friend of mine – I was so looking forward to his version of ‘Ant-Man’. All Edgar’s films have been studio films, it’s not like he’s never made one before. I think he’s been used to a situation where he can have tremendous creative say around his story and casting, and Marvel has built an entire franchise around their style of telling stories. I know both parties well, and I respect his decision to see that he wasn’t going to be fulfilled in the process. That’s all I can really say.
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And with Wright's Cornetto Buster Keaton tweet, the pic being when Keaton felt he made the biggest mistake by leaving independent and joining MGM, it's suggestive that if Wright doesn't get his way (and he's an admitted control freak like many greats) then it won't happen.
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"All that promise and fucking optimism! That feeling that we could take on the whole universe! It was a big lie! Nothing happened!"
 
When i try to picture Quicksilver as a real person i picture this kind of sleezy looking euro cocky hotshot not a american thief who likes to prank people.

I enjoyed both but Joss nailed what i picture Quicksilver as.
 
I don't know who Mercury is, but Singer's Quicksilver scene is better than the every single Marvel set-piece combined.
 
He had the better scene in DOFP then anything he did in AoU.

Scene where he takes out the entire room and moves all the bullets around and all that was awesome in DOFP

Best scene with him in AoU was him moving everyone out of the way of the training coming through
 
MCU QS was more of a character, while Fox QS was more impressive, effects wise. So pick whichever is more important to you.
 
Spork4000 said:
We know which one will win in a fight sense, Massive Avengers 2 spoilers:
the avengers version is dead.
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Spoiler aside, Quicksinger would've dismantled every single ultronbot before any of the Avengers had time for a single quip.
 
What does it say about your movie when the most memorable scene is from a character who is barely a character?

The state of X-Men movies was summed up for me when gimmicks are more important to highlight than fucking Kitty Pryde who is the main character in the DoFP in the comics. Her most memorable scene is when she gets to stand behind Wolverine holding out her hands all movie long with a power that was never shown in other movies or even explained. I think her only line is "OW" when she gets stabbed by Wolverine and Huge Jackman gets to upstage her only line with some Weapon-X bad dreams for the 87th time.

What about how Storm gets to be a non-factor AGAIN? Or how all the cool mutants actually fighting and doing cool mutant power stuff in the future don't even have any lines. I didn't even know any of their names and yet they keep showing them doing their cool powers.

Honestly neither make me give a fuck about speedsters, especially if they are broken-tier speedsters, but at least AoU was more interesting as a character.
 
Xmen QS by far, his scene was amazing and memorable and can't wait to see him in Apocalypse

Avengers QS was forgettable, slow and I don't think anyone even cared about what happened to him at the end
 
Yeah...what a load of shit about him being more of a chaeacter in avengers. Lmao I feel like Evan Peters even had more lines and possibly even more running time...just not spread throughout the film

I learnt nothing more from this character other than a flimsy line about a backstory and that he has a sister

Plus xmen version was much more fun to watch.
 
I don't care about comics.

The Quicksilver in X-Men was more entertaining and his scene was great. However his powers are ludicrously strong and the way he was removed from the story was contrived. Also he is physically wrong for the power set.

In Avengers, he is physically correct and fairly likeable too - him being bad Eastern European accented is neither here nor there. However he barely features in the film, playing a secondary role throughout. I feel like the character is a victim to the film and its cut rather than the design/performance being wrong.

Therefore it has to be X-Men Quicksilver.
 
Discotheque said:
Yeah...what a load of shit about him being more of a chaeacter in avengers. Lmao I feel like Evan Peters even had more lines and possibly even more running time...just not spread throughout the film

I learnt nothing more from this character other than a flimsy line about a backstory and that he has a sister

Plus xmen version was much more fun to watch.
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There's a different between 'better character' and 'better personality.'

Evan Peters version has more life, but he's a means to an end for one set-piece. Then he's gone. Quicksilver has an actual arc in AOU. Now you might dislike the arc, but his character changes. DOFP Quicksilver, great as he is, isn't a character so much as a device to put past Magneto into the story.
 
I like the avengers character better, more attractive and more likable. And was less of a random 5 minute insert character.

The xmen kitchen scene was just ridiculous though, by far the highlight of the movie.

So I like him better in avengers, but the scene in DOTFP was far beyond anything he did in the avengers.
 
He was an actual character in Avengers, in Xmen he was so OP to the point of being broken that he was written out 1/3 of the way into the film
 
I think people are overplaying QS in AoU. He isn't more of a character. He barely has any screen time, and all the talking is made by his sister. He has one or two funny moments, and that is it. He isn't more developed,
they just show his motivations and than the twist to make him go to the good-guys side
. The only difference is that in X-Men you have one long remarkable scene with QS, and in AoU you have a few small ones throughout the film, but the scenes he appears always seem to be centred on Scarlet Witch. He feels like a side kick.

They don't even acknowledge him by his name in AoU. It is always "The Twins". So, there is that.
 
Man he looks stupid in X-Men lol, still soooooo stupid.

I remember the hate back when all we had was an image, then the movie came out and everyone was like turns out he was the coolest in the movie cause of that awesome scene!

I agree, but man he still looks soooooo stupid. :lol

Avengers one looked better but he didn't really get to do a whole lot,
the train thing helping out was about it?

Funny the X-Men one was added in the last min just out of 'spite' then had to be completely forgotten about (like Wolvie's abilities to sniff people out lololol), looked atrocious but ended up being more memorable (in a good way).
 
DeathyBoy said:
There's a different between 'better character' and 'better personality.'

Evan Peters version has more life, but he's a means to an end for one set-piece. Then he's gone. Quicksilver has an actual arc in AOU. Now you might dislike the arc, but his character changes. DOFP Quicksilver, great as he is, isn't a character so much as a device to put past Magneto into the story.
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That arc was about as flimsy as it gets. I suppose the definition of a character around here is being given more than one scene (most of the time not saying more than a few words on screen tho) because I learnt just as much about this quicksilver in his basement in xmen as I did in the entirety of avengers 2 with the other one

Seriously I don't get the "actually a character" thing
 
I don't get why people are saying xmen qs looks goofy... He was made to look goofy because movie was set in the 1970s...
 
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