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"Racism growing in Europe"
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did everyone really forget that one dude who thought americans actually lynch homosexuals?
Oh yeh, the one dude. How could we forget that one dude?
they are every where in canada where I live, you can go to lots of stores and see only muslims working there, kinda weird sometimes
Do you assume every brown person is a muslim or something?
Jesus, guys, lighten up. Damn.
The US gets dissed a lot this board and I'm no jingoist at all. It's all in good fun.
I get the feeling it's often not in good fun.
No?You're exaggerating the "anti americanism" of GAF.
This kind of nonsense is prevalent in just about every thread. Most of it is gloating, some of it is an attempt to make poster X feel better about his place of birth, and all of it is obnoxious.
As a longtime poster on gaming age, I can say I liked it better when every thread about a specific country wasn't turned into us v. them.
Deified Data
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"Hating minorities is unacceptable."
"Let's hate eachother for real and imagined offenses against them!"
"Let's hate eachother for real and imagined offenses against them!"
Racism will continue to grow until most migrants stop treating local customs and traditions like it's something that doesn't concern them, learn language and stop being involved in criminal activities. I may be flamed for this post but I don't give a fuck. My friend was a migrant in France and he had tons of problems with arabs trying to seize his business. I heard a lot of unpleasant stories from other countries too.
freenudemacusers
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Laughing at this thread. My god.
...the posting habits of the entire board?
At least most people under-play it, you're the first I've seen that implies it's not really there
Sorry I don't see it as being something prevalent, I'd say Europe gets more shit since the whole eurozone crisis.
Bay Maximus
Banned
I'll go ahead and say it though; some of the Europeans here fall for the troll bait way too easy. C'mon son. Canada is the smartest place on Earth. They have already won.
As far as the story, I'm glad I don't live in Europe.
As far as the story, I'm glad I don't live in Europe.
ThisWreckage
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Racism will continue to grow until most migrants stop treating local customs and traditions like it's something that doesn't concern them, learn language and stop being involved in criminal activities. I may be flamed for this post but I don't give a fuck. My friend was a migrant in France and he had tons of problems with arabs trying to seize his business. I heard a lot of unpleasant stories from other countries too.
You won't receive flaming from me for stating such a thing. I'm smart enough to know that some immigrants don't give anyone any trouble, are respectful of customs, and try their hardest to integrate. There are others who simply don't give a fuck. The latter category is wear a lot of this resentment is coming from. I can probably give you as many success stories as I can horror stories regarding immigration, but bad apples ruin it for all.
YEA! All those damn immigrants and their crime if it wasnt for them there would be no crime! You"re entire post is generalized horse shit.Racism will continue to grow until most migrants stop treating local customs and traditions like it's something that doesn't concern them, learn language and stop being involved in criminal activities. I may be flamed for this post but I don't give a fuck. My friend was a migrant in France and he had tons of problems with arabs trying to seize his business. I heard a lot of unpleasant stories from other countries too.
grass is always greenerSorry I don't see it as being something prevalent, I'd say Europe gets more shit since the whole eurozone crisis.
ThisWreckage
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YEA! All those damn immigrants and their crime if it wasnt for them there would be no crime! You"re entire post is generalized horse shit.
First of all, he didn't say that all immigrants are involved in criminal activity. You're being extremely delusional if you think at least some of them don't give a shit and view other countries as playgrounds, however. It's like this anywhere. We have shitty immigrants in America that populate our prison systems, for example, due to gangs. Others are model citizens.
Mammoth Jones
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YEA! All those damn immigrants and their crime if it wasnt for them there would be no crime! You"re entire post is generalized horse shit.
Yea, I gotta co-sign this right here. I mean, The notion that crime is an immigrant problem is bullshit.
Don't get it twisted, if you move to a nation you had best read up on their culture and be willing to assimilate. Cause not everything transfers culturally from one to another.
ThisWreckage
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Crime can or cannot be an immigration problem. It depends on the person.
Maleficence
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Crime can or cannot be an immigration problem. It depends on the person.
Replace immigration with: Race, Gender, Sexual Orientation, Religion etc and the statement would be just as true.
Your post was stupid.
crimzonflame
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they are every where in canada where I live, you can go to lots of stores and see only muslims working there, kinda weird sometimes
WTF is this?
he also made no effort to divide the two and instead just lumped them together. Im very well aware that some don't give a fuck but I make distinctions between the two.First of all, he didn't say that all immigrants are involved in criminal activity. You're being extremely delusional if you think at least some of them don't give a shit and view other countries as playgrounds, however. It's like this anywhere. We have shitty immigrants in America that populate our prison systems, for example, due to gangs. Others are model citizens.
ThisWreckage
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Replace immigration with: Race, Gender, Sexual Orientation, Religion etc and the statement would be just as true.
Your post was stupid.
It's not stupid. Saying that crime isn't an immigrant problem, when, in fact, it can be is stupid. I think people try to paint all immigrants as model citizens that just want to live their life and that's only true in some cases.
Yea, I gotta co-sign this right here. I mean, The notion that crime is an immigrant problem is bullshit.
Don't get it twisted, if you move to a nation you had best read up on their culture and be willing to assimilate. Cause not everything transfers culturally from one to another.
Certain types of crime very much can be. Cashpoint fraud was virtually non-existent in the UK until the influx of immigration from Eastern Europe. Channel 4 made a documentary on the gangs that were committing the crimes and it was uniquely Eastern-European criminal gangs.
Either side of this debate would do well to avoid talking in absolutes.
In cases like that I tend to assume that English is not the posters first language and give them the benefit of the doubt. If I was wrong to do that I'll usually know within 2 or 3 more posts.he also made no effort to divide the two and instead just lumped them together. Im very well aware that some don't give a fuck but I make distinctions between the two.
Deified Data
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Replace immigration with: Race, Gender, Sexual Orientation, Religion etc and the statement would be just as true.
Your post was stupid.
A comment on a caucasian, white-collar criminal failing to live up to local cultural norms (i.e. obeying the law) is an equally valid complaint. So you're right - the parameters of the complaint can change. It includes immigrants along with anyone who cannot properly integrate into normal society.
As as been mentioned by previous posters, we'd do well to avoid talking in absolutes.
we'd do well not talking absolutes
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Mammoth Jones
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Certain types of crime very much can be. Cashpoint fraud was virtually non-existent in the UK until the influx of immigration from Eastern Europe. Channel 4 made a documentary on the gangs that were committing the crimes and it was uniquely Eastern-European criminal gangs.
Either side of this debate would do well to avoid talking in absolutes.
In cases like that I tend to assume that English is not the posters first language and give them the benefit of the doubt. If I was wrong to do that I'll usually know within 2 or 3 more posts.
Types of crime is one thing. But "crime" period? Nah. All I'm saying is it's silly to pretend all crime is due to immigrants.
Reminds me of THIS.
Types of crime is one thing. But "crime" period? Nah. All I'm saying is it's silly to pretend all crime is due to immigrants.
Reminds me of THIS.
Sure, I dig that. Unfortunately for immigrants, it's much easier to cover one Somali sticking a machete into someone than it is to cover 4 Somali immigrants working peacefully in a charity shop. Thing is, it's so obvious that immigrants aren't solely responsible for crime that I honestly don't think the original poster meant that.
I do think we could've alleviated some of the stress (in the UK) by having a point-scoring system for immigration but the horse has bolted now. We couldn't have anyway, the EU would have slapped our wrists.
You should have mentioned the reaction to the Best Buy 'Happy Eid' message.
I missed it what was it? Best Buy tried to use a harmless marketing ploy and then the right wingers attacked them?
Probably the same as when Whole Foods tried to advertise their halal line of foods during Ramadan.
crimzonflame
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http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2012.01.31_Immigration_CAN.pdf
Younger respondents endorse the concept of the “mosaic” while middle-aged and older Canadians prefer the “melting pot”.
People in Canada are split when assessing immigration, and only three-in-ten believe the country should continue to be a mosaic, a new Angus Reid Public Opinion poll has found.
In the online survey of a representative sample of 1,005 Canadian adults, 39 per cent of respondents believe that immigration is having a positive effect in Canada, while 39 per cent think it is having a negative effect.
Views on Legal and Illegal Immigration
Since September 2010, the proportion of Canadians who think immigration is having a positive effect in the country has increased by five points. Respondents aged 18-to-34 are more likely to regard immigration in a positive light (48%) than middle-aged Canadians (33%) and those over the age of 55 (39%).
Two-in-five Canadians (41%) think the number of legal immigrants who are allowed to relocate in Canada should decrease, including almost half of respondents aged 35-to-54 (46%).
The views of Canadians on illegal immigration have hardened over the past 14 months. Half of respondents (50%, +6 since September 2010) believe illegal immigrants in Canada take jobs away from Canadian workers. In addition, only 23 per cent of respondents would allow illegal immigrants to stay in Canada and eventually apply for citizenship, while 50 per cent think illegal immigrants should be required to leave their jobs and be deported.
Multiculturalism
Three-in-five Canadians (62%) think multiculturalism has been good for the country, including 72 per cent of respondents aged 18-to-34. However, more Canadians (58%) are likely to endorse the concept of the melting pot—immigrants assimilating and blending into Canadian society—than the mosaic (30%), where cultural differences within society are valuable and should be preserved.
At least one-in-four respondents believe Canada is an intolerant society towards Muslims (33%), Aboriginal Canadians (28%) and immigrants from South Asia, such as India and Pakistan (25%). A third of Canadians (32%) believe that racism is a significant problem in Canada, while 55 per cent disagree with this view.
Analysis
The proportion of Canadians who believe immigration is having a negative effect in the country is the lowest in the past four years. The main source of hostility appears to be illegal immigration, with half of Canadians calling for unlawful workers to return to their country of origin. This level of support for the deportation of illegal immigrants is 11 points lower than what was observed in Britain in December 2011, but seven points higher than in the United States in December 2010.
Younger Canadians are more likely to back the idea of a “path to citizenship” for illegal workers, but sizeable majorities of middle-aged and older respondents reject this idea.
The positive views on multiculturalism drop markedly with age, from 72 per cent for those aged 18-to-34, to 63 per cent among those aged 35-to-54, and to 50 per cent for those over the age of 55. Middle-aged and older Canadians are also more likely to support the concept of the melting pot than the mosaic.
CrytothePrinceofPeace
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But these so-called New Atheists said that society would be much better or more moral as society's belief in God decline?
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
And down the gutter it goes.
WTF?But these so-called New Atheists said that society would be much better or more moral as society's belief in God decline?
andthebeatgoeson
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When I was on my honeymoon in 08, we ran into a couple from England. They seemed nice but the guy was kind of a dick. Was spouting about how great Europe is. Even had a book call 'The United States of Europe'. He was almost transforming into an ugly American right before my eyes. Feels good. The Euro has barely made it to 15 yo and she's already wilting. It's like they looked at America's history and decided to go backward. With the recent riots and all the racism against Blacks, it's like the 60's. Just a few more years until Beatlemania starts.
so i think the solution to all racism or anti-immigration is to exterminate old people
the hell does this have to do with the topic at hand?But these so-called New Atheists said that society would be much better or more moral as society's belief in God decline?
eattomorro
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The names of dozens of alleged white supremacists in Canada are contained in files leaked by computer hackers in Europe intent on exposing hate movements, CBC News has learned.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/02/01/bc-canadian-nazis-exposed.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/02/01/bc-canadian-nazis-exposed.html
victreeb3l
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Muslim living in NYC. Great place even though we get instances of racism but its no where near what people in other parts of the country have to deal with.
same. sometimes i feel like people are making shit up about what happens in the rest of the country considering i dont personally deal with that shit myself.
And down the gutter it goes.
lmao, right? this thread just keeps on giving
And down the gutter it goes.
You're about 127 posts late.
Further down the gutter it goes.
Do you assume every brown person is a muslim or something?
no no, of course not, but I guess now I am stereotyping, very bad of me.
shadyspace
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The names of dozens of alleged white supremacists in Canada are contained in files leaked by computer hackers in Europe intent on exposing hate movements, CBC News has learned.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/02/01/bc-canadian-nazis-exposed.html
What is the point of these posts? Congratulations, you've conveyed that racism exists outside of Europe.
the hell does this have to do with the topic at hand?
He was a possible joke poster. All I ever saw from him was one line bible thumping in threads.
A less bigoted Deku
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Racism in Europe is different than racism in America.
America also had the benefit of a popular civil rights movement and a growing social norm that intolerance, even on the casual level is unacceptable.
This hasn't happened in Europe. And mainly it wasn't a necessoty as Europe had been fairly homogenous, relatively speaking, until immigration increased into those countries.
This is pretty much it. Race relations is probably one area where I feel Americans and Canadians do better just because we have a long history of accepting new groups of people into the country.
But when you're comparing 2 continents of 300+ million people each, there will be areas that do better than others, and reports like then tend to only speak to trends or averages so I can see the frustration.
ie: I'd still much rather be an immigrant in Europe than in most other places in the world.
Mammoth Jones
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Sure, I dig that. Unfortunately for immigrants, it's much easier to cover one Somali sticking a machete into someone than it is to cover 4 Somali immigrants working peacefully in a charity shop. Thing is, it's so obvious that immigrants aren't solely responsible for crime that I honestly don't think the original poster meant that.
I do think we could've alleviated some of the stress (in the UK) by having a point-scoring system for immigration but the horse has bolted now. We couldn't have anyway, the EU would have slapped our wrists.
My biggest issue with immigration is many don't want to assimilate to the host culture. If I moved to Saudi Arabia with my daughter I have to accepts certain things. I can't go there then whine that it isn't like my home country. I have to adapt to that way of life, or leave. I think it should be the same going to the UK or France or Germany or Dubai...etc. Do as the Romans do....etc
Sutton Dagger
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He was a possible joke poster. All I ever saw from him was one line bible thumping in threads.
The scary thing is, he wasn't a joke poster... I'm pretty sure he had been banned multiple times before on different accounts, now he's gone again.
The scary thing is, he wasn't a joke poster... I'm pretty sure he had been banned multiple times before on different accounts, now he's gone again.
Hunh. He had completely normal posts on gaming side (well.. relatively) but in the OT it was all bible thumping. Poe strikes again.
A less bigoted Deku
Banned
My biggest issue with immigration is many don't want to assimilate to the host culture. If I moved to Saudi Arabia with my daughter I have to accepts certain things. I can't go there then whine that it isn't like my home country. I have to adapt to that way of life, or leave. I think it should be the same going to the UK or France or Germany or Dubai...etc. Do as the Romans do....etc
I'm pretty sure there are communities of expats living in gated communities in Saudi Arabia where they do not conform to local norms.
European and American expats all over the world created little encaleves for themselves during the age of empire and many still do, although I think you bring up a valuable point.
Ex-pat communities in Japan tend to mingle with the locals and many go native and do not live in gated communities. Perhaps GAF has a thing for political correctness, but a lot of the implied 'immigrants don't mix' assertions seem directly related to two particular world views not mixing. Maybe we should just discuss it openly instead of dancing around it
JzeroT1437
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america wins again
Racism started in America, Jenga. Nobody was ever racist in Europe before America broke from the UK, and nobody was racist there since--UNTIL NOW.
Racism started in America, Jenga. Nobody was ever racist in Europe before America broke from the UK, and nobody was racist there since--UNTIL NOW.
thus begins the end of europe
My biggest issue with immigration is many don't want to assimilate to the host culture. If I moved to Saudi Arabia with my daughter I have to accepts certain things. I can't go there then whine that it isn't like my home country. I have to adapt to that way of life, or leave. I think it should be the same going to the UK or France or Germany or Dubai...etc. Do as the Romans do....etc
Unfortunately, a desire to protect our cultures and customs has been painted as the preserve of only the nationalist or the racist. Grumble about any assimilation issues and you're instantly branded a 'little englander'. I get the impression that the opposite mentality is in place in some of the areas you listed. Rock the boat and you get thrown out of it.
It is clear that European integration policies have failed, thus far*. How we cope with it will decide what kind of people we are, and what kind of people we want to be.
*I do not mean that all immigrants are bad or that nobody has assimilated, I'm just talking about general policy.
The real pisser is that Brits are terrible for forming little enclaves and refusing to integrate. It infuriates me. We can't demand something that we ourselves do not uphold.I'm pretty sure there are communities of expats living in gated communities in Saudi Arabia where they do not conform to local norms.
European and American expats all over the world created little encaleves for themselves during the age of empire and many still do, although I think you bring up a valuable point.
Ex-pat communities in Japan tend to mingle with the locals and many go native and do not live in gated communities. Perhaps GAF has a thing for political correctness, but a lot of the implied 'immigrants don't mix' assertions seem directly related to two particular world views not mixing. Maybe we should just discuss it open instead of dancing around it
As for discussing clashing cultures, I think it's the root cause of many of the problems. Another problem is the inability to discuss this problem without the conversation devolving into utter shite.
Mammoth Jones
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Racism started in America, Jenga. Nobody was ever racist in Europe before America broke from the UK, and nobody was racist there since--UNTIL NOW.
Racism existed millenia before any European set foot in America.
JzeroT1437
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Racism existed millenia before any European set foot in America.
(that's the joke)
Mammoth Jones
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I'm pretty sure there are communities of expats living in gated communities in Saudi Arabia where they do not conform to local norms.
European and American expats all over the world created little encaleves for themselves during the age of empire and many still do, although I think you bring up a valuable point.
Ex-pat communities in Japan tend to mingle with the locals and many go native and do not live in gated communities. Perhaps GAF has a thing for political correctness, but a lot of the implied 'immigrants don't mix' assertions seem directly related to two particular world views not mixing. Maybe we should just discuss it openly instead of dancing around it
Show me a gated community in Saudi Arabia (embassies don't count) where women are scantily clan, men are drinking and everyone is fucking.
My point is if you're going to chose to live in a different culture...be prepared to accept most of their cultural norms. I can't go to a completely different culture then demand everyone change to suit my needs. But...and it's a very big BUT...there are some things a dominant culture might NEED to change. Like their treatment of minorities.
Common sense and patience are a must on both ends.
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