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[Locuza]

Drivers have improved a lot, adding missing features (ReLive vs Shadowplay) and even more features (Radeon Chill allows to seriously reduce power consumption).

I think on gaf consensus was that last 2 years AMD drivers have been ahead of nvidia's.
[...]

Tom's Hardware did some tests with Chill and it had horrible frametimes and it just consideres and reacts to user input.
A useless feature in my eyes.

The only thing AMDs driver seems to do better is its graphical user interface, speed and maybe some settings in regards to multi-monitoring.
The OGL-Driver is still crap and maybe always will be, VSR could support 21:9 and older GPUs with 4K support like DSR does, but they didn't implemented that.
And their DX11 performance is quite inferior in comparison to Nvidia and probably will also always be.

Apart from bugs and stability issues which are hard to compare I don't have the personal feeling that AMD's drivers are better.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Tom's Hardware did some tests with Chill and it had horrible frametimes and it just consideres and reacts to user input.
A useless feature in my eyes.

The only thing AMDs driver seems to do better is its graphical user interface, speed and maybe some settings in regards to multi-monitoring.
The OGL-Driver is still crap and maybe always will be, VSR could support 21:9 and older GPUs with 4K support like DSR does, but they didn't implemented that.
And their DX11 performance is quite inferior in comparison to Nvidia and probably will also always be.

Apart from bugs and stability issues which are hard to compare I don't have the personal feeling that AMD's drivers are better.

You're mostly talking about features and he's talking about game drivers and game bugs fixed by drivers. There's really not much difference between the two vendors.

 

[tuxfool]

Ruh-Roh

Bad news (if you're not a miner).

Their OpenGL drivers are still terrible if that matters to you. If you plan on using PCSX2 for PS2 emulation I'd steer away from AMD as they seem laser focused on OpenGL for accurate emulation.

Why wouldn't you use the Dx11 plugin in pcsx2 (not that GPU power really matters here).

 

[DieH@rd]

Ruh-Roh

Bad news (if you're not a miner).

We are doomed.

Even if this rumor overshot by 50%, this is still bad news.

 

[saskuatch]

Ruh-Roh

Bad news (if you're not a miner).



Why wouldn't you use the Dx11 plugin in pcsx2 (not that GPU power really matters here).

Would this cause 1080ti prices to drop?

 

[DieH@rd]

1080ti prices are not affected much by mining. But everyting midrange is decimated in my region.

 

[RootCause]

Ruh-Roh

Bad news (if you're not a miner).



Why wouldn't you use the Dx11 plugin in pcsx2 (not that GPU power really matters here).

Dayum!

You guys think they will produce enough of these?

 

[gabbo]

It's only going to take you one or two weeks to save up for this? Because good luck getting one for a few months at least after launch. And that's assuming Crypto doesn't have another crazy climb.

I have no interest in buying at launch. My gtx660, while old, still hums along just fine.
I'll save up and keep an eye on reviews, maybe a 1070 will be the better long term value for me. Still those numbers if real are encouraging.
...unlike the mining link.

 

[TSM]

Why wouldn't you use the Dx11 plugin in pcsx2 (not that GPU power really matters here).

Because DX11 lags far behind opengl for accuracy. Most of the recent major accuracy fixes have been opengl only. I believe this is because the primary graphics development is done under Linux.

Their git has a special page for AMD cards and opengl.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

1080ti prices are not affected much by mining. But everyting midrange is decimated in my region.

This would be a 'hash rate' double that of the 1080 Ti though, so it will be attractive to miners even when initial outlay + running costs are factored into the equation.

 

[Locuza]

You're mostly talking about features and he's talking about game drivers and game bugs fixed by drivers. There's really not much difference between the two vendors.

The initial context was how AMDs drivers are, since St3v3 didn't used ATI/AMD cards since the 5850.
His answer was in my quote, where he talked about added features and that "gaf's consensus" was that AMD's drivers are ahead of Nvidia's since two years.

Nowadays there is roughly feature parity between the two but AMD's performance is not there.

[...]
Why wouldn't you use the Dx11 plugin in pcsx2 (not that GPU power really matters here).

Gregory is one of the few active developers and he only improves the OGL path which currently seems the best in regards to visuals.

The accuracy of GSdx OpenGL has improved by leaps and bounds lately and it is now far more accurate than the Direct3D backends.

https://pcsx2.net/271-july-august-2015-progress-report.html

And well there is CEMU.

 

[KimonoNoNo]

Thank fuck I picked up a 1070 late last year before this mining craze took hold.

 

[RandomExpletive]

Not great for gamers, but I'm sure AMD isn't gonna complain if Vegas selling well

 

[opticalmace]

Ruh-Roh

Bad news (if you're not a miner).



Why wouldn't you use the Dx11 plugin in pcsx2 (not that GPU power really matters here).

If that is even half true then everyone's fucked. They would be basically perfect mining cards. Even the extra $100 for AMD's packs or whatever won't make any difference.

 

[Delusibeta]

Yeah, Gibbo would be in the position to know this sort of thing in advance. Even if the true hash rate was in the lower range of his estimates, that still would be far and away the highest performing individual Ethreum mining card. RIP Vega availability.

 

[dgrdsv]

The OGL-Driver is still crap and maybe always will be

We can mark this one as "solved" since the only relevant gaming user of OpenGL is in AMD's pocket now. WTNC is rumored to have two renderers which are DX12 and Vulkan. No mention of OpenGL although this may be due to where this info came from.

 

[ISee]

Good for mining? Bye Bye affordable GPUs 2017 edition.

 

[DieH@rd]

Good for mining? Bye Bye affordable GPUs 2017 edition.

Even if it is same as Vega FE [30mhs], miners will still purchase them all because rest of the midrange Radeon market is still starved.

Gamers are screwed either way.

Oh well, I just purchased RX460. It's time for a long wait.

 

[ISee]

Even if it is same as Vega FE [30mhs], miners will still purchase them all because rest of the midrange Radeon market is still starved.

Gamers are screwed either way.

Oh well, I just purchased RX460. It's time for a long wait.

Was thinking about building a small living room PC with 1080p/60 functionality next month. I think I'll skip my project to sometime next year.

 

[kotodama]

Hmm, I wonder how they doubled or tripled mining performance, if true. Lol, best value card if true, decent while gaming and makes you money when you aren't. Perhaps like the glory days of the Radeon 6-series and 7-series cards with Bitcoin.

I wonder if they'll pay for themselves in a couple months or so.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

Could anyone explain what is this mining thing? Is it scalpers buying all the video cards?

 

[Locuza]

We can mark this one as "solved" since the only relevant gaming user of OpenGL is in AMD's pocket now. WTNC is rumored to have two renderers which are DX12 and Vulkan. No mention of OpenGL although this may be due to where this info came from.

This of course depends on the user but there are some legacy OGL apps some might like to play/use or Emulators like CEMU und PCSX2, so it's not so cool that the OGL driver is bad.
There is the open source one for Linux which beats the proprietary driver by a huge margin but RadeonSI is Linux exclusive and AMD would need to abtract and rebuild certain aspects to use the driver on Windows and that's not on AMD's agenda.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdgpu-1730-radeonsi&num=2

Wolfenstein only uses Vulkan (as an explicit API) according to Axel Gneiting from id Software (OGL might be still an option).
AMD just wrote down gear up for tomorrow's games and listed some features, Wolfenstein was a background example but not directly linked to the features although it uses everything aside from a DX12 renderer for the PC.
https://cdn01.hardwareluxx.de/razuna/assets/1/A9AC1804FCF841A08E15D773476B98F2/img/531D032FAC3F44AFB703486E3B40C675/amd-vega-tech-day-pressdeck2-29_531D032FAC3F44AFB703486E3B40C675.jpg

The next slide talks about VR gaming, showing Doom and listing again DX12/Vulkan and some VR features:
https://cdn01.hardwareluxx.de/razuna/assets/1/A9AC1804FCF841A08E15D773476B98F2/img/4BD48EA9A9F645C99C95BEA9B6A3CE6A/amd-vega-tech-day-pressdeck2-30_4BD48EA9A9F645C99C95BEA9B6A3CE6A.jpg

Whole gallery:
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/galerie/komponenten/grafikkarten/amd-radeon-vega-pressdeck3.html

 

[Dehnus]

Ruh-Roh

Bad news (if you're not a miner).



Why wouldn't you use the Dx11 plugin in pcsx2 (not that GPU power really matters here).

Maybe time to start a gaming union and treat miners like 1900's unions treated scabs. If you see a miner buying up every card a store has, call your buddies and beat the crap out of him.

Joking ofcourse, but it is starting to get a bit crazy. People can't build any gaming PC anymore without having to spend a huge increase in prices for a decent GPU. And if you preorder it for the old price, you still have to wait a few weeks and hope the "preorder" is not intercepted by some miner who offered a higher price and have your preorder cancelled.

If only people would stop buying second hand cards for almost the same price as the actual price advertised by AMD/Nvidia. 1/3th of the price maximum for second hand hardware! As right now these cards almost come for free for miners, after use.

 

[DieH@rd]

Could anyone explain what is this mining thing? Is it scalpers buying all the video cards?

Not scaplers, bitcoin miners. They use GPUs [which have thousands of small mini processors who are running in parallel, which is great for cryptocurrency mining calculations] to produce very hard to get strings of data, which are unique but easily verifiable, and with each passing day harder to get. And since they are hard to get and unique, they have a value. People around the world agreed to give monetary value to that data, and now we have several forms of cryptocurrency.

Mining is very popular these days because Bitcoin has become very expensive, and Ethererum [a relativley new form of cryptocurrency] is gaining momentum.

Many are rushing now to get their Etherum mining rigs ready, because the sooner they start mining it, the easier it will be.

Those who are mining Bitcoin can take $400€ GPU [overpriced RX470 for example] and regain their investment in less than 3 months, after that they are in the sweet proffits [if the bitcoin price remains stable]. Multiply that by 50 GPUs [or 500... or more!], and you can get a nice living out of it. Those who are mining [cheaper] Etherum are hoping to get a lot of it now, and then become rich when Etherum becomes more pricey.


Anyhow, the moral of the story is... gamers are fucked. Probably for a very long time.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Honestly, I'm truly hoping that the 64 goes toe to toe with the 1080 Ti, even though that's asking a lot.

 

[thelastword]

Honestly, I'm truly hoping that the 64 goes toe to toe with the 1080 Ti, even though that's asking a lot.

Well, there was this article some time ago. So what's being reported here with Vega 56 is not too far fetched if the last one was true. It's looking like Vega 56 is closer to a 1080 than a 1070 tbh.

Well, the pic above was an RX Vega against NV GPU's some months ago, if that pans out on non AIB cards, that would be insane...


I also had a bookmark I came across earlier that included settings and more games but accessing bookmarks crashes edge on my PC ....sigh... Had to uninstall and reinstall that problematic browser via windows powershell....All bookmarks gone atm..

 

[Locuza]

[...]
Well, the pic above was an RX Vega against NV GPU's some months ago, if that pans out on non AIB cards, that would be insane...
[...]

The pic above was the most obvious fake since its creation.

 

[thelastword]

The pic above was the most obvious fake since its creation.

I looked at some 4k doom vulkan scores recently and it looks like this is about where the GTX 1080 scores. Hey, I even saw a gigabyte (AIB) 1080 score around 57fps average in one of the benches, but then, there are lots of tests out there..... If anything, I guess the Vega card is the only thing we can't confirm or which could be fake, but let me scour for more 4k doom benches on the XP and 1080ti to get an idea....

Ok, check the pic above, I imagine Doom got an update that improved vulkan performance on Nvidia cards, no? This is a pic off Toms review at 4k ultra...

 

[Marmelade]

Well, there was this article some time ago. So what's being reported here with Vega 56 is not too far fetched if the last one was true. It's looking like Vega 56 is closer to a 1080 than a 1070 tbh.

Well, the pic above was an RX Vega against NV GPU's some months ago, if that pans out on non AIB cards, that would be insane...


I also had a bookmark I came across earlier that included settings and more games but accessing bookmarks crashes edge on my PC ....sigh... Had to uninstall and reinstall that problematic browser via windows powershell....All bookmarks gone atm..

When a Titan Xp is twice as fast as a 1080 you know there's something wrong..

 

[ISee]

I looked at some 4k doom vulkan scores recently and it looks like this is about where the GTX 1080 scores. Hey, I even saw a gigabyte (AIB) 1080 score around 57fps average in one of the benches, but then, there are lots of tests out there..... If anything, I guess the Vega card is the only thing we can't confirm or which could be fake, but let me scour for more 4k doom benches on the XP and 1080ti to get an idea....

We already have official Vega 64 Doom benchmarks directly from AMD. Your RX Vega doom benchmark is fake. Period.+
Rx Vega 64 isn't even able to breach 100 fps at 3440x1440 let alone at 3840 x 2160.

 

[rtcn63]

Even AMD fans don't pay attention to Doom or BF1 benches anymore.

 

[Kuosi]

BF1 runs worse on dx12 on nv cards than dx11, ofc they are using dx12 benches

 

[rtcn63]

BF1 runs worse on dx12 on nv cards than dx11, ofc they are using dx12 benches

Interestingly from what I've read, BF1 runs worse on dx12 for AMD too. Something about stutters because the game uses a shit dx12 wrapper.

 

[ISee]

Interestingly from what I've read, BF1 runs worse on dx12 for AMD too. Something about stutters because the game uses a shit dx12 wrapper.

Most benchmarks tell another story. DX11 runs worse on AMD and DX12 runs worse on Nvidia cards. The 'funny' thing is: A RX480 is about as fast at dx12 as a GTX 1060 at dx 11.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

Not scaplers, bitcoin miners. They use GPUs [which have thousands of small mini processors who are running in parallel, which is great for cryptocurrency mining calculations] to produce very hard to get strings of data, which are unique but easily verifiable, and with each passing day harder to get. And since they are hard to get and unique, they have a value. People around the world agreed to give monetary value to that data, and now we have several forms of cryptocurrency.

Mining is very popular these days because Bitcoin has become very expensive, and Ethererum [a relativley new form of cryptocurrency] is gaining momentum.

Many are rushing now to get their Etherum mining rigs ready, because the sooner they start mining it, the easier it will be.

Those who are mining Bitcoin can take $400€ GPU [overpriced RX470 for example] and regain their investment in less than 3 months, after that they are in the sweet proffits [if the bitcoin price remains stable]. Multiply that by 50 GPUs [or 500... or more!], and you can get a nice living out of it. Those who are mining [cheaper] Etherum are hoping to get a lot of it now, and then become rich when Etherum becomes more pricey.


Anyhow, the moral of the story is... gamers are fucked. Probably for a very long time.

Thanks for the detailed explanation! That's crazy I had no clue about it

 

[thelastword]

Here's PC gamer with a 1080 at the top with 4k ultra settings. Is it so far fetched, averages around 59......Margin of error? The supposedly fake chart has the GTX1080 at 62fps.... As I said, the only thing that remains is to verify the Vega's performance, but so far these leaks seem quite positive for Vega, especially the one on Vega 56 today. Since that one seems coming from someone who got a recent card for review...

 

[rtcn63]

Most benchmarks tell another story. DX11 runs worse on AMD and DX12 runs worse on Nvidia cards. The 'funny' thing is: A RX480 is about as fast at dx12 as a GTX 1060 at dx 11.

I was just saying that BF1 runs badly on dx12 across the board.

 

[Sir Abacus]

Not scaplers, bitcoin miners. They use GPUs [which have thousands of small mini processors who are running in parallel, which is great for cryptocurrency mining calculations] to produce very hard to get strings of data, which are unique but easily verifiable, and with each passing day harder to get. And since they are hard to get and unique, they have a value. People around the world agreed to give monetary value to that data, and now we have several forms of cryptocurrency.

Mining is very popular these days because Bitcoin has become very expensive, and Ethererum [a relativley new form of cryptocurrency] is gaining momentum.

Many are rushing now to get their Etherum mining rigs ready, because the sooner they start mining it, the easier it will be.

Those who are mining Bitcoin can take $400€ GPU [overpriced RX470 for example] and regain their investment in less than 3 months, after that they are in the sweet proffits [if the bitcoin price remains stable]. Multiply that by 50 GPUs [or 500... or more!], and you can get a nice living out of it. Those who are mining [cheaper] Etherum are hoping to get a lot of it now, and then become rich when Etherum becomes more pricey.


Anyhow, the moral of the story is... gamers are fucked. Probably for a very long time.

Nobody seriously mines Bitcoin on GPUs anymore. It's all ASIC mining in areas with very low power costs. We saw the market subside as these rigs came online. It cost a lot of AIB vendors a lot of money in RMA costs when it all came crashing down.

Etherum on the other hand leans heavily on memory and memory bandwidth and so is going to be wrecking GPU markets for a very long time.

 

[ISee]

Here's PC gamer with a 1080 at the top with 4k ultra settings. Is it so far fetched, averages around 59......Margin of error? the supposedly fake chart has the GTX1080 at 62fps. As I said the only thing that remains is to verify the Vega's performance, but so far these leaks seem quite positive for Vega, especially the one on Vega 56. As that one seems coming from someone who got a recent card for review...

I literally just posted official RX Vega 64 values from doom (and other games) released by AMD @ 3440X1440 (scroll up). RX Vega is even far away from being able to reach 100 fps there, let alone 140 fps at 4k.

I was just saying that BF1 runs badly on dx12 across the board.

So far it definitely isn't able to boost performance as people hoped a year ago.

 

[SRG01]

Nobody seriously mines Bitcoin on GPUs anymore. It's all ASIC mining in areas with very low power costs. We saw the market subside as these rigs came online. It cost a lot of AIB vendors a lot of money in RMA costs when it all came crashing down.

Etherum on the other hand leans heavily on memory and memory bandwidth and so is going to be wrecking GPU markets for a very long time.

I thought Bitcoin mining on the 480/580 had a small uptick?

At any rate, Vega's raw compute performance was always going to be a double edged sword -- great workstation performance also means great mining performance. At the same time, I doubt AMD is really going to complain about it in the short to medium term...

Having said all that, has anyone benched the Radeon Pro SSG for mining yet?

 

[Sir Abacus]

I thought Bitcoin mining on the 480/580 had a small uptick?

At any rate, Vega's raw compute performance was always going to be a double edged sword -- great workstation performance also means great mining performance. At the same time, I doubt AMD is really going to complain about it in the short to medium term...

Having said all that, has anyone benched the Radeon Pro SSG for mining yet?

The 480/580 uptick is Ethereum going through the roof and making mining profitable for speculators.

 

[Infinite Xero]

We already have official Vega 64 Doom benchmarks directly from AMD. Your RX Vega doom benchmark is fake. Period.+
Rx Vega 64 isn't even able to breach 100 fps at 3440x1440 let alone at 3840 x 2160.

If you read the line at the bottom of the AMD slide, it's comparing the minimum FPS across several games. Regardless, I don't think Vega 64 will be anywhere near 142 average FPS at 4K in Doom though.

 

[thelastword]

I literally just posted official RX Vega 64 values from doom (and other games) released by AMD @ 3440X1440 (scroll up). RX Vega is even far away from being able to reach 100 fps there, let alone 140 fps at 4k.

Lets be honest here, AMD does better in doom in vulkan. I saw the pic you posted btw, but a lot does not add up here.....

Check this for example....

The GTX 1080 is topping around...around 136 at 1440p

and...

at ultrawide.

and

around 63fps here.

These are from various sites, lots may vary between these tests, I didn't check which site was using AIB cards, OC'd card or at what time they were tested, pre-patched performance or pro-patched performance. Some settings may even vary slightly, but for a ballpark, the framerate of the 1080 and XP looks to match the screen I posted for the 1080 at least.. As I said, it's your right to question Vega scores as it's not out yet, but the leaked benches today has given me another dose of optimism as it relates to gaming benchmarks on the 14th...

I guess we shall see, but I rather suspect that the pic you posted is simply a range of minimum framerates, not max or average frame-rate on that monitor from those cards....As I said, we shall see..., Let the leaks keep on coming though...

 

[dgrdsv]

This of course depends on the user but there are some legacy OGL apps some might like to play/use or Emulators like CEMU und PCSX2, so it's not so cool that the OGL driver is bad.
There is the open source one for Linux which beats the proprietary driver by a huge margin but RadeonSI is Linux exclusive and AMD would need to abtract and rebuild certain aspects to use the driver on Windows and that's not on AMD's agenda.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdgpu-1730-radeonsi&num=2

Wolfenstein only uses Vulkan (as an explicit API) according to Axel Gneiting from id Software (OGL might be still an option).
AMD just wrote down gear up for tomorrow's games and listed some features, Wolfenstein was a background example but not directly linked to the features although it uses everything aside from a DX12 renderer for the PC.
https://cdn01.hardwareluxx.de/razuna/assets/1/A9AC1804FCF841A08E15D773476B98F2/img/531D032FAC3F44AFB703486E3B40C675/amd-vega-tech-day-pressdeck2-29_531D032FAC3F44AFB703486E3B40C675.jpg

The next slide talks about VR gaming, showing Doom and listing again DX12/Vulkan and some VR features:
https://cdn01.hardwareluxx.de/razuna/assets/1/A9AC1804FCF841A08E15D773476B98F2/img/4BD48EA9A9F645C99C95BEA9B6A3CE6A/amd-vega-tech-day-pressdeck2-30_4BD48EA9A9F645C99C95BEA9B6A3CE6A.jpg

Whole gallery:
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/galerie/komponenten/grafikkarten/amd-radeon-vega-pressdeck3.html

Ah, so as I've suspected, AMD's marketing is crapping itself again here. They just throw these words at a wall now hoping that something would stick it seems. Well, I was wondering why id Tech would suddenly support DX12 - now I know that it won't, good. Still, it's pretty obvious that they'll concentrate on Vulkan mostly for WTNC and I hope that this time they won't "forget" to implement key performance features for non-AMD GPUs.

And yeah, I saw this presentation but my head started to roll at the amount of marketing bullshit after about five slides. Apparently Polaris has a performance leadership in DX12 and Vulkan, who would've guessed...

I was just saying that BF1 runs badly on dx12 across the board.

This was mostly fixed for AMD h/w with patches. And since BF1 is an AMD GE title they sorta "forgot" to make the same fixes for NV's h/w again.


Most recent Doom benchmarks for those interested:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/kfa2_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_hof_review,20.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_1080_Mini/12.html

Both in Vulkan. OpenGL is generally on the same performance level on NV's h/w right now, slightly slower than Vulkan on 1080Ti which is hitting CPU limitations more often.

One thing everyone should remember about Doom is that there is no standard benchmark in it and thus the results are highly dependent on which level / scene was benchmarked by the reviewer.

 

[Sir Abacus]

You know it's a quality AMD thread because there's so many Doom FPS graphs on the same page.

 

[Aztechnology]

You know it's a quality AMD thread because there's so many Doom FPS graphs on the same page.

Lol it's true. Really looking forward to seeing benches for... Well pretty much anything else at this point.

 

[thelastword]

You know it's a quality AMD thread because there's so many Doom FPS graphs on the same page.

Hey, there are other positive results ehhhh....(leaks), but nobody wants to believe right now.....I'm stoked though...

 

[icecold1983]

Delete plz

 

[Unknown Soldier]

You know it's a quality AMD thread because there's so many Doom FPS graphs on the same page.

Hey, I really enjoyed DOOM 2016. Thing is, I already played through it more than a year ago now on my old 980 Ti which was actually able to sustain a solid 50-60 fps most of the time in 4K. So I'm not exactly excited about how it performs now, more than a year after I played it.

 

[llien]

Tom's Hardware did some tests with Chill and it had horrible frametimes and it just consideres and reacts to user input.

Toms didn't find it "terrible" by any metric, one just needs to remember that feature that is reducing fps inevitably... reduces fps .

Subjectively, the RX 480's frame delivery is smoother than the bars suggest.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-chill-ocat-relive,4846-2.html

Neither did techpowerup:

Normally, you would expect gameplay to consist of a permanent stream of input, which means Chill would never be active. In reality, you can see short pauses where Chill can drop FPS, resulting in significantly reduced power consumption. Subjectively, this is not noticeable during active gameplay; remember, we were playing, not standing around. I'm also happy to report that Chill reacts to keyboard, mouse, and gamepad input, instantly raising the FPS.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_Crimson_ReLive_Drivers/5.html


And it seems toms didn't realize that one could set target fps per game (nor did techpowerup). I'm not sure if it simply wasn't there by the time they were reviewing it, or whether they didn't bother.