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Radical Justice......my city is on fire yet again

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http://www2.rnw.nl/rnw/en/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/ned050121

An incident earlier this week in the Dutch capital, Amsterdam, has sparked new controversy as the victim of a petty crime faces charges of manslaughter for the death of one of the youths who robbed her.

A woman drives her car at a young man of Moroccan origin who's just stolen her bag, and he dies when the vehicle crushes him against a tree. This incident took place in the Dutch capital earlier this week and has sparked a new wave of controversy in the Netherlands, with people asking whether it was manslaughter or a tragic accident.

While friends of the youth, many of them also of Moroccan descent, say he was not at all aggressive and did not deserve to die this way, a number of politicians have come to the defence of the woman who was behind the wheel.

Incomprehensible
"This is scandalous; the world's been turned upside down. They're turning a victim into a criminal, and vice versa," was the reaction from Dutch MP Geert Wilders, a controversial conservative politician who recently split from the liberal-conservative VVD party and now serves as an independent parliamentarian. He described it as "incomprehensible" that the woman whose bag was stolen is now to face prosecution for manslaughter. However, some Moroccans who knew the youth have been commemorating their friend and wondering: "where are those Dutch people now?" This comment refers to the public outpouring of shock and grief which followed the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh in November last year. He was murdered very close to the place where the youth died.

The incident itself
On Monday evening, the woman in question was in her car, which was stationery at the time. Two youths came alongside on a motorised scooter, and one of them grabbed her handbag from inside the vehicle. They drove off on the scooter, but the woman put her car into reverse gear and pursued them. The car came to a halt, trapping one of the young men between the vehicle and a tree and killing him.

Intent?
The main question in this case is whether the driver of the vehicle intended to kill the thief. The Public Prosecutor's office has since charged her with manslaughter on the basis of the risk she took. Public prosecutor Dop Kruimel clarifies the charge as follows:

"She has been charged with manslaughter. But you should see this 'manslaughter' as us suspecting that she took an unacceptable risk in driving her car so fast in reverse gear. In that context, she took the unacceptable risk that she might collide with that scooter - with the youths on it - and, thus, that the youth in question could be killed. That risk can be interpreted in legal terms as manslaughter."

The lawyer acting for the woman, Alexander van der Waal, claims she did not "see or notice" that she had collided with the scooter. Furthermore, there is nothing illegal about the woman having pursued the two robbers to get her bag back, or the fact that she may have meant to box them in with her car.

Crime or accident?
However, the key question as far as the public prosecutor is concerned is whether she could have anticipated the outcome: the death of the youth. Killing someone by driving into them is, after all, a crime. Yet there is also the possibility of an extreme 'over-reaction' on the part of the woman, which could be used in her defence. The police may have described it as a 'tragic accident', but the public prosecutor clearly thinks differently.

Letters to the press and the comments of certain politicians appear to indicate that many in the Netherlands feel the situation has indeed been turned upside down, with so much attention and sympathy going towards the dead youth who was already facing charges in connection with another robbery.

Mayor speaks out
While many acknowledge that his death was tragic, they also feel that things have gone too far. A number of ethnic minority organisations have even voiced criticism of certain sentiments within the groups they represent, saying that some Moroccans are using the incident as a way to vent their own frustrations.

Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen spoke to family and friends of the youth, and later commented that he could understand their grief. However, he added:

"I also think that this group needs to say that no secret should be made of the facts that the bag snatching took place and that this boy was no angel - and that's really putting it mildly. I understand that this is something they can do without so soon after his death, but I do think it's important to say it."National politicians have also been having their say, including Integration Minister Rita Verdonk:
"If we, here in the Netherlands, just keep our hands off each other's belongings, and don't steal bags - as happened in this case - then that woman would simply have done her shopping and that boy would have been driving around on his scooter. I'm not arguing anyone's innocence - I'll wait for the opinion of the Public Prosecutor's office - but I do want to point out clearly that it is not the case that someone just drove up and consciously thought: there's someone I don't like, let me kill him with my car. As I see it, this is not a case of murder."

MP Geert Wilders has gone even further: "I think she is the victim, not the criminal."

According to his family and friends Ali B was a great guy and a striking example for neighborhood kids.

Honestly i don't really get this.

The guy had just come from court with his conviction pending from an armed robbery, he then goes out to continue his biz....ie stealing a bag from a middle age woman and they call him a nice boy and an example to neigborhood kids?
 

Hooker

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I laughed my ass of when I saw the pictures. That scooter was crushed against the tree.



Steal a purse, get knocked the fuck out by a car bumper lol :lol
 
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Folder

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radioheadrule83 said:
Owned. Hard.

And I can't believe they compare it to Theo Van Gogh's murder at the hands of a religious extremist. Full. of. shit.
Agreed chap, good call.

Also, for using the phrase "Radical Justice" I now love you norinrad21. (y) :)
 

DonasaurusRex

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yeah well he made the choice and got his result. Not that he was worth less than a purse but you reap what you sow. He chose to steal, and learned his lesson...it was just a little too hard. That why you need to sometimes SOMETIMES listen to people that have already been in your situation that are trying to get youto avoid trouble in your life, sometimes the lessons of life are too harsh.
 

Tazznum1

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Another reason I don't carry a purse and another reason why I tell everyone I know that does - DON'T LEAVE IT ON THE FRONT SEAT.

She could have killed another motorist that was driving up to her and she is flooring it in reverse.

They are both stupid.
 

FightyF

Banned
She obviously didn't mean to kill them, she may not be a threat to society. I say she should just face a couple of years.
 

Socreges

Banned
Tommie Hu$tle said:
That's exactly what the guy should have thought before he jacked her for it.
Really, no one would consider if their life is worth the petty theft of a woman. It was a freak accident and was barely a remote threat to him.
 
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