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Deadbeat said:
That would be an opinion and not a very good one either.
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That would be an opinion and not a very good one either.
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StuBurns said:
Doom Resurrection was far more interesting IMO. :\
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StuBurns said:
What about Doom RPG (1)? - if you played it, that is. Easily the best of id's mobile games IMO
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StuBurns said:
Yes, Doom RPG 1 is only available on (outdated) Symbian / Java phones :\ I haven't played the sequel but I think id/Carmack didn't actually participate in its development at all, so I skipped it.
I never really used the grav gun other than to catch lost souls. The best part of Resurrection was the crazy battles with waves of the larger enemies later in the game. Ramped up the intensity to a point vanilla D3 never reached. It's just a shame the cube made it all kind of moot.Draft said:
Also the super shotgun. Daamn.
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Draft said:
Wrong "Resurrection" I believe
We are talking about this iPhone game: http://www.idsoftware.com/doom-resurrection/
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It's a damn shame they had to downgrade the textures. A damn shame. I guess this kind of thing happens pretty often, but rarely to this extent.
I still think the overall impression the visuals give is rather good. Plenty of variety, nice vistas, smooth as silk and the characters look great.
I'll be there day 1. I was raised on Doom and Quake, and have much faith in id.
I still think the overall impression the visuals give is rather good. Plenty of variety, nice vistas, smooth as silk and the characters look great.
I'll be there day 1. I was raised on Doom and Quake, and have much faith in id.
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As a texture artist, I hate seeing textures get destroyed for a console game, but I'm confident that so much artist man hours and work went into all those textures, the artists themselves would truly want to see their work come out how they painted it.
Also given in this case for megatexture tech it's fairly easy to recompile things at the higher resolution, I think a hi res pack is very possible.
But, I'll say one thing. I actually somewhat like Rage's "lowres" look. The game looks almost like painted concept art from the screenshots. It's almost like it's given an art style. You see that everything just has this beautiful large untiling detail, which I prefer over repetitive minor detail.
It just makes for a more interesting picture to look at in general. If they could then have the super detail ontop of that, sure that'd be great, but, I'm not TERRIBLY fussed.
I do know that those artists would surely picket Carmack to do a texture pack.
Also given in this case for megatexture tech it's fairly easy to recompile things at the higher resolution, I think a hi res pack is very possible.
But, I'll say one thing. I actually somewhat like Rage's "lowres" look. The game looks almost like painted concept art from the screenshots. It's almost like it's given an art style. You see that everything just has this beautiful large untiling detail, which I prefer over repetitive minor detail.
It just makes for a more interesting picture to look at in general. If they could then have the super detail ontop of that, sure that'd be great, but, I'm not TERRIBLY fussed.
I do know that those artists would surely picket Carmack to do a texture pack.
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StuBurns said:
That's true as well.
But then again, I did download 3 9gb "patches" for the Witcher 2 through steam. That has raised the threshold for me in terms of how much shit I can put up with downloading.
Actually, got me thinking, if Sikkmod is what they can do with Doom 3, Rage plus a hi res texture pack and some sort of Sikkmod esque shader fuckage could easily make rage look quite marvelous. The sheer thought of a game purely made of non repeating hi res textures sounds like a dream for someone like me.
I have not yet watched the keynote, do we have many metrics on the texture pack option?
I have seen 500mb storage space to 2gb for one "level" whatever that means.
If the full game had that are we going from 10gb to 40gb or from 30gb to 120gb?
With the dynamic scaling enabled are there points where the extra detail would be worthless? At 4bg ram and 1gb vram 1080p would the maximum detail pack even work?
I have seen 500mb storage space to 2gb for one "level" whatever that means.
If the full game had that are we going from 10gb to 40gb or from 30gb to 120gb?
With the dynamic scaling enabled are there points where the extra detail would be worthless? At 4bg ram and 1gb vram 1080p would the maximum detail pack even work?
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So I guess gaf has decided the game looks like crap without playing it...nice! Gaf has never been wrong before!
It's some guess work, but for a 4x improvement (which Carmack suggested for the one level as possible DLC), the game would become about 80GB. But the uncompressed game is about 100GB, so at the point of using 80GB, it doesn't seem like just giving people the full thing is a big deal.Grayman said:
Ya it is almost like there are screen shots and videos showing how the game looks. I can see gameplay complaints being dismissed like this but some of these screen shots are so muddy that the game should not have an art style this detailed. That computer terminal screenshot would look terrible at any point of the last decade.Doc Holliday said:
Hopefully they do push that out on a torrent. I agree with the size there, when they get up to deciding 80 or 100GB the size increase is immaterial for the gain of "uncompressed" quality.StuBurns said:
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I listened to the keynote again.
- He said they might do a DLC level with 10x the bitrate, and it'll take eg 2GB instead of the regular 500MB.
- Then he was talking about how the do profiling, to find which areas the player can not visit and they reduce the resolution of the textures for those areas, but if a PC gamer eg noclips there he will find they have very low detail. A "downloadable super quality pack" could add detail on those far away areas.
- He said they might do a DLC level with 10x the bitrate, and it'll take eg 2GB instead of the regular 500MB.
- Then he was talking about how the do profiling, to find which areas the player can not visit and they reduce the resolution of the textures for those areas, but if a PC gamer eg noclips there he will find they have very low detail. A "downloadable super quality pack" could add detail on those far away areas.
StuBurns said:
MS requires that. In his keynote Carmack said it was sad that this was the case as a partial install would be much more preferable.
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Lol, John Carmack is just a genuine guy when talking about his stuff, to the point of being self deprecating sometimes. I've been following Rage for years and I've never read an interview with Carmack where he comes across as arrogant or over the top about id Tech 5's capabilities. He is incredibly enthusiastic about his tech though, as ANY lead engineer should be.
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Someone who lumps an amazing game like Nuts and Bolts in with that other trash should not be taken seriously.
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Yeah, dunno what's up with the math, maybe he realized 10x is too much..
Shortly after they announced DOOM 4 and journalists managed to catch up with Carmack, he mentioned that it'd be a 30 fps game compared to Rage's 60, and because of that they could push three times the graphical fidelity.StuBurns said:
Since then I've just assumed that John Carmack uses some sort of wizard math not meant to be understood by us mortals.
I've actually heard him say that too, wow. I guess that's why he builds rockets, and I misquote him on GAF.Sciz said:
There are like six games you can get that stuff for.Wray said:
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portions of your 16ms render time will not increase when doubling graphical fidelity. For arguement lets say that control, physics, sound, logic don't take extra time, so if they took 5ms before hand you had 11ms to render, now you have 28ms render.Sciz said:
Also if you ask a rocket scientist at 16ms the math involved in graphics is a certain length of expression or complexity to fit in processor time. With twice as much time available their may be a possibility of using longer expressions that can't fit in 16ms but give more quality.
I am a business guy and not a code guy. If you go out to dinner and drinks with 50 bucks, then go out with a 100. The presentation will be a lot nicer at 100. You won't consume twice as much but it might look and feel much more extravagant.
Thanks Grayman that was a really clear answer 
To put an answer of my own to a question posed a while back in the thread:
No. The (brilliant!) terminal interfaces of Doom 3 do not return.
While there are terminals, they are basic "press use" switches as opposed to navigating a UI.
Which is fine for Rage due to the way it plays. I hope that D3 wizardry returns at some point though because it is so very very good
To put an answer of my own to a question posed a while back in the thread:
No. The (brilliant!) terminal interfaces of Doom 3 do not return.
While there are terminals, they are basic "press use" switches as opposed to navigating a UI.
Which is fine for Rage due to the way it plays. I hope that D3 wizardry returns at some point though because it is so very very good
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Rage PC is also going to have a 64bit exe, I wonder if it'll help have lots of megatexture pages in RAM so that the texture lod changes at the edges of the screen are not that obvious.
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Well,I certainly hope Rage doesn't make me feel the same way I felt about Half Life 2.
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StuBurns said:
...I don't think it's coming "later".
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Why?
If that is so I seems I will have to wait for both a High Res patch and a 64bit .exe to get the maximum out of the game.....angular graphics said:
Not gonna lie, I find it quite frustrating that this can't be ready at launch. Is there some meaningful explanation why it can't be ready right away?
PC gaming rewards the patient. Why devs release half baked pc games at full price then release patches when their game is at 50-70% off is beyond me. Took six months before metro played smoothly for me, crysis 2 I put down to wait for dx11. Every time I buy a pc game day 1 I am assured an inferior experience to someone who buys it 6 months down the road.DennisK4 said:
Given how sophisticated their build setup is, I'm sure 32 and 64bit binaries are created at compile time. No real reason a 64bit exe shouldn't be there day one. But they may still withhold it for whatever reason. Crysis 2 has no 64 bit exe even though CryEngine 3 targets both 32 and 64 bit.