BruiserBear
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Unless this is one of the most impressive pieces of DLC ever released for a racing game, it's not justified. This DLC pack could not have required 1/3 of the work that the main game did, yet that's the price they're asking.
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Rally expansion announced for Forza Horizon - 1600 Allards, December
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Unless this is one of the most impressive pieces of DLC ever released for a racing game, it's not justified. This DLC pack could not have required 1/3 of the work that the main game did, yet that's the price they're asking.
Not really different from companies that make yearly iterations of their game series.
They have a set date for when the game comes out and tell the release date of the game months before it actually comes out. Since the game comes out yearly, they usually have to work on the game even after they announce the release date with the game getting finished about a few weeks and/or months before release.
It all comes down to proper scheduling.
But what's to say that the content won't be worth $20?
So DLC that costs $10 is okay because most DLC that costs that price requires 1/6 of the work that the main game did?
BruiserBear
Banned
I heard somewhere that in order to jump around the game world via the map you have to use "tokens" to pay for this feature. Of course they sell tokens for real cash in the marketplace.
Is this true?
No, $10 is still a bit silly if you do the math of it all, but it's still much more acceptable than $20.
Is this true?
No, $10 is still a bit silly if you do the math of it all, but it's still much more acceptable than $20.
Thats not how it works and you know it.
Are you just looking for reasons to bash the game now? This is the DLC thread.
No, you pay ingame credits to jump, but you also can do some races so it becomes free.
Neuromancer
Member
Shivering Isles cost half of what Oblivion did and was nowhere near half the size.
In fact I can't recall any DLC of the top of my head where I could say that the price matched up exactly the fraction of the content you get compared to the base game.
Look, if money is an issue, don't go out for dinner this week, skip it, eat a toasted cheese sandwich at home, and have some nice Chai tea instead. Or, forget those beers at the pub. Or, don't buy any cigarettes for one day. Or, sell something that you don't need. Or, work overtime for 1 day..
BruiserBear
Banned
Under the new rules publishers have decided to try and push on the industry, you're right, that's not how it works. That shouldn't stop us from pointing out the absurdity of it though.
I'm pretty sure the release date of most games is decided before they are finished too, why would it be different for DLC. A production planning for a game or a DLC pack must not be that different.
Neuromancer
Member
Probably not a bad idea lol
This is nothing new. Expansions for PC games back in the day cost about 1/4-1/3 of the full game and rarely had an equivalent amount of content.
MightyHedgehog
Member
When MS/Turn10/Playground starts sharing more meaty info on it to even talk about, I agree. Until then, this should just be the defacto shit-in-a-cup thread for DLC hate and arguments.
Get used to it. When developers handle DLC in such controversial ways you will have to deal with these reactions.
Also, half of this thread is you defending the DLC. What makes you think that only you should be able to speak out on this and everyone who doesn't share your opinion should just shut up?
GlamFM
Banned
OK. Now you´re really starting to annoy me. Don´t tell me what I should get used to. This is a thread about the rally DLC and it has been completely derailed. It´s NOT a thread about DLC in general. People are talking about Oblivion in here. I´m just trying to get this thread back on topic.
Also don´t put words in my mouth. I didn´t tell anyone to shut up.
It's funny how you constantly demand your posting-freedom but at the same time you try to shut up other people and tell them what to think.
Its not absurd. Its the same price as the Porsche DLC and most of MS expansion packs.
The DLC will have new cars, new modes, new events, new achievements. Maybe it should be 1200, but $5 more is far away from 'absurdity'.
BruiserBear
Banned
GlamFM suggested this thread get locked, because he didn't like the complaining.
So who is it that's trying to shut people up again?
Yeah, and those Forza 4 expansion packs were crazy overpriced too. What's your point again?
Because there have been other crazy overpriced DLC packs, we should all just accept this one?
Funny, one of the first mentions of other games in this thread came from you on the first page (Mass Effect 2, GTA4). Stop derailing this thread, dude!
My point is, you did engage in this discussion just as much. But you think your posts are justified because you're defending the DLC whereas posts that are critical about it supposedly destroyed this thread.
No I don't. Where do I demand that people should stop posting their opinions? Please show me.
GlamFM
Banned
Why are you flat out lying?
I said that this thread has been completely derailed and nobody is actually talking about the DLC.
BruiserBear
Banned
You are still free to engage in discussion about the DLC, but you've been too busy defending the price of the DLC.
GlamFM
Banned
No, my posts are just as stupid as all the other ones. This entire discussion shouldn´t take place here. I would actually like to know more about that DLC - unfortunately that seems impossible.
It's only overprice if you think all the DLC's are overpriced. It is using the standard price for most of the DLC's.
You are asking for 800MSP when its not the common price.
BruiserBear
Banned
I bought a Porsche pack DLC for Need for Speed Hot Pursuit. Do you know how much it cost?
$7, or 560 points.
Was that the same amount of content as 11.66 percent of the full game?
BruiserBear
Banned
It was a hell of a lot closer than a $20 piece of content would have been.
You forgot to mention that it was ONE of the THREE packs they released. The tree packs together costs $19.99 (oh the magic number).
NFSHP Porsche pack = 3 new cars, 10 events
FM4 Porsche pack = 30 new cars, 20 events
edit:
NFSHP 3 packs = 20 events, 6 cars, 2 online modes = 19.99
FM4 porsche pack = 20 events, 30 cars = 19.99
So you feel better because you bought one part of an 'overpriced' DLC?
BruiserBear
Banned
So adding up 3 different packs in order to hit that $20 price point is where we've arrived in this discussion? lol
What was in it? Sorry, not familar with HP DLC.
edit: ah I see, lol, good argument
You bought one DLC with 10x less cars, and 2x less events for 1/3 of the price of FM4 DLC. If EA put the same content as Turn10 did, it would cost the same $19.99 (which is the three packs together).
You just made my argument and contradicted yourself.
Neuromancer
Member
Holy shit what an amazing deal
GlamFM
Banned
OK, I will try something crazy here. Let´s see how it goes.
I´m really curious to know if this DLC will add new roads to the existing map or if it will be a new area. Will it be accessible in free roam or is it just a series of events on dedicated tracks?
Aslo - deep dirt = new, dedicated cars?
I´m really curious to know if this DLC will add new roads to the existing map or if it will be a new area. Will it be accessible in free roam or is it just a series of events on dedicated tracks?
Aslo - deep dirt = new, dedicated cars?
Neuromancer
Member
Good question. I don't know enough about the base game to even say whether you can pick events from a menu, or fast travel to them, or what.
I think for this expansion I'd rather just go through a menu for speed a d convenience.
I would think there will be rally specific cars.
I'd like to know this as well.
lol.
Did'nt Borderlands announce DLC before the game shipped as well? Was there a shitstorm over it? Did anyone call it out for being an "incomplete product "?I is Forza Horizon the first in this series (or first game ever) to have DLC of new cars/events/modes available two months after launch? Does'nt seem like anything that will greatly effect your ability to progress in the game if you don't have it, not really understanding why all the bitching is directed at this game . I could understand if it were stuff already on the disc like SF X Tekken.
I guess we'll know when it's finished, some time in December.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Damn it, this stupid thread got me amped up enough to take advantage of the MS store's 1600MSP card/code for preorder despite not knowing shit about the rally DLC. Please don't disappoint this RSC fan, Playground.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
As a matter of fact, yes, they probably are. Or do you think it's simply a matter of drag-and-dropping cars between FM4 an FH folders?
I don't have intimate knowledge of how the resources are set up on that level, but you needn't think too hard to come up with at least several ways in which cars should be updated for the new engine. First of all, they need working headlights. Then the shaders have to be updated and tested for lighting conditions that weren't available in previous Forza games (dynamic day-night cycle, direct exposure to headlights at night). Then each car has to be tuned to the new physics model and tested on each of the 65 different types of surfaces (+ more coming in the expansion). Perhaps they need to be tested for off-road sections where the physics model is going to be exposed to more stress than on the usual FM racing tarmac, to make sure there's no clipping between wheels and other parts of geometry or some other nasty surprises. Finally, car sounds need to be tested and tuned for the new sound engine FH apparently uses. And there's probably far more work to be done than just that.
Baconsammy
Banned
It's not out yet and people have already decided its worth? Internet, you never fail to amuse me.
Reviewers have nearly universally stated the main game is awesome. Worthy of my money. If they say the same about the DLC, I'll get that as well.
Reviewers have nearly universally stated the main game is awesome. Worthy of my money. If they say the same about the DLC, I'll get that as well.
I love it when silly assumptions over game development are proven false. =p
NullPointer
Member
The right there is the most important thing for me. If it seamlessly extends the map with a bunch of new areas I'm sold. If not... I'd be next to impossible for me to justify the price.
BruiserBear
Banned
The vast majority of time spent creating a car model for a game like this is the polygonal modeling and texturing work. That is already done for basically every car in this game. So there is no doubt that a lot of time and work was saved by using the car models from Forza 3/4.
I think you're overestimating the work necessary to put them into the new game.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
I think I'm underestimating it, actually, but people working on the game are the only ones who can answer that question.
That said, having some experience in the field since a couple of months ago I finally finished my graduation project which consisted of porting a virtual character animation SDK to XNA, I have to say I spent almost as much time making the damn models to load and display properly as I did on actual programming. That's the same models being handled by practically the same code, only written in another programming language and imported using a different importer.
wastedyears
Member
At this point I'm so desperate for a Rally game I don't really care that it costs $20. Actually, it would cost me $80, not just $20, because I had no interest in buying the game until I saw there was a Rally dlc pack coming.
What I wouldn't give for Rallisport Challenge 3.
What I wouldn't give for Rallisport Challenge 3.
BruiserBear
Banned
DiRT 2 and 3 were pretty great games.