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PUSHSQUARE - Reaction: PlayStation's Most Ardent Fans Are Feeling Frustrated and Insecure
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Pejo
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Interesting article until the last paragraph where the writer is telling me what I need to do.
I agree that Sony seems out of touch lately. I cancelled my PS+ sub for the first time, and I've had it since launch on the PS3. I've stopped buying any games for PS4 outside of a handful of (likely to remain) exclusives. They feel a lot like the Xbox platform during the last half of the 360's days. Ahead and coasting by on timed exclusive stuff and third party stuff.
Their inconsistent and weird censorship stuff hasn't helped them at all, either. I'm actually hoping that most of their catalogue comes to PC, where I've turned for general performance management (I can prioritize framerate on my own if they don't want to) and mod support.
I agree that Sony seems out of touch lately. I cancelled my PS+ sub for the first time, and I've had it since launch on the PS3. I've stopped buying any games for PS4 outside of a handful of (likely to remain) exclusives. They feel a lot like the Xbox platform during the last half of the 360's days. Ahead and coasting by on timed exclusive stuff and third party stuff.
Their inconsistent and weird censorship stuff hasn't helped them at all, either. I'm actually hoping that most of their catalogue comes to PC, where I've turned for general performance management (I can prioritize framerate on my own if they don't want to) and mod support.
Gamernyc78
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ResilientBanana
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To be fair, it's the end of a gen and they still have some good games on the horizon.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I don't get it either. I understand complaining about exclusives (ie "I won't be able to play this particular game because I don't own an Xbox") but whining because other consoles and/or PC players will also be able to play something you enjoy? I don't even have the area code.
Zog
Banned
I have learned to not take seriously whatever follows the words "to be fair'.
pr0cs
Member
Play the game, not the console.
Chromata
Member
Seems like a complete non issue to me. Fans complained that games were being announced too early, so Sony is trying to alleviate that. They were completely upfront about going silent and said well in advance they'd be skipping E3. Of course Microsoft is communicating a lot with their fans, they have to make up for a generation of failures (which they're doing a great job with btw). Sony has no reason to be communicating right now until PS5 specs and games are finalized/ready to go.
Playstation losing its identity is just ridiculous. When I think Playstation, the first image that comes to mind is not MLB or Detroit, lol. It's their core exclusive franchises (GoW, Uncharted, etc.) and the first party studios behind them. If these also go to PC, even better. Halo didn't stop being an Xbox game when it went to PC. Xbox game studios is still its own thing, I don't see why Playstation should be any different.
Next gen is looking fantastic atm, I see no reason to be upset but that's just me.
Playstation losing its identity is just ridiculous. When I think Playstation, the first image that comes to mind is not MLB or Detroit, lol. It's their core exclusive franchises (GoW, Uncharted, etc.) and the first party studios behind them. If these also go to PC, even better. Halo didn't stop being an Xbox game when it went to PC. Xbox game studios is still its own thing, I don't see why Playstation should be any different.
Next gen is looking fantastic atm, I see no reason to be upset but that's just me.
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ResilientBanana
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Jubenhimer
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So, you want a monopoly?
sol_bad
Member
I would love a centralised place where I can get all the games from Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo.
You may think of it like a monopoly but I think of the video game industry just like the movie and music industry. Multiple studios producing content but you only need 1 DVD/blu ray player or CD player/phone to play them all. The 3 studios can still make their own consoles and still offer their respective services if they want just like Sony, Panasonic and Samsung keep making hardware and offering their own services. Just allow all games on all available consoles.
Zog
Banned
Yeah, you'll need the Sony model to get 60 fps for this game and the LG model to get 60 fps with another game. Doesn't sound great to me.
Zog
Banned
Yeah that one too. It means whatever follows is disrespectful. Just like what follows 'to be fair' won't be fair.
Jubenhimer
Member
Video Games are a Platform-Based business model though. It's more equal to Netflix Originals being exclusive to Netflix, or a new album from a band you like exclusive to iTunes. Platforms need exclusive content to survive, otherwise nobody will buy your platform.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
NNNNNo....Bad Gaffer...nnnno.
One platform means no competition. Lack of competition means less incentive to improve. Lack of improvement means stagnation. Stagnation means I come back to this thread, look you in the eye and say "you see what you have done...is this the future you were imagining?"
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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Insecure... in Europe and Japan... against MS!?! For real bro? 
sol_bad
Member
Obviously the industry as a whole would have to come together and agree on a certain set of specifications that they'll all stick to. And just like with blu ray players having premium and lower end offerings, it'd be the same with consoles. Nintendo would offer the more budget hardware and Sony or MS the more premium hardware.
Than how do all the blu ray and CD manufacturers survive and make profit on their hardware?
You can still offer competition even if all games were available on all consoles. You can buy MS developed games on your Sony hardware but they are on sale or cheaper on the MS hardware. You can only have PS+ on Sony hardware or Gold on MS hardware and within those services there is competition.
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Zog
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Right, so the lower end hardware would give worse performance? Instead 3 consoles there may be 10 or more from different manufacturers, no thanks.
Jubenhimer
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Because movie and physical media are not platform based business models.
"exclusive games"
It's easy when you had the biggest share by a huge margin back in the 32 and 128 bits day, and also when game development was way cheaper, so the majority of releases came to you as exclusives.
Today its different and worlwide the studios adopted what the western had been doing for decades, multiplatforms.
It's easy when you had the biggest share by a huge margin back in the 32 and 128 bits day, and also when game development was way cheaper, so the majority of releases came to you as exclusives.
Today its different and worlwide the studios adopted what the western had been doing for decades, multiplatforms.
sol_bad
Member
But they could have been if history was different.
Imagine having to buy 4-5 separate players to watch movies from Disney, Columbia, Lionsgate, Universal and Paramount?
CyberPanda
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He’s actually a Sony fan, and it’s a Sony PS Fan site ironically.
Fbh
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I keep coming back to it but to me it's just that someone at Sony screwed up with the timing of some announcements.
They showed too much of the final batch of exclusives too soon so this period before they are ready to fully reveal the Ps5 and talk about next gen has just been a bunch of "yep, it's still the same 3 games we talked about last year!". People complain abut no events but if they did an E3 and PSX and it was just "Here's TLOU2 again...and some Vr games?" you'd see just as many complains
As for the exclusives part, I think that's just the way games work now, deals for third party exclusives or IP's are harder to secure and there's no longer 1 platform where like 80% of the market is focused on. You have some like Kojima come up to you and be like "look, you help me fund this and I give you a timed exclusivity, or I go to MS and this thing will be PC and Xbox only"...what do you say?
They showed too much of the final batch of exclusives too soon so this period before they are ready to fully reveal the Ps5 and talk about next gen has just been a bunch of "yep, it's still the same 3 games we talked about last year!". People complain abut no events but if they did an E3 and PSX and it was just "Here's TLOU2 again...and some Vr games?" you'd see just as many complains
As for the exclusives part, I think that's just the way games work now, deals for third party exclusives or IP's are harder to secure and there's no longer 1 platform where like 80% of the market is focused on. You have some like Kojima come up to you and be like "look, you help me fund this and I give you a timed exclusivity, or I go to MS and this thing will be PC and Xbox only"...what do you say?
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brap
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Pretty funny considering it seems like concern trolling.
FranXico
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Not the first time PushSquare does some concern trolling.
GHG
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Microsoft's sleeper agents are in place and are ready to pounce.
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Jubenhimer
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The modern equivalent would be the current fragmentation of the streaming market.
brap
Banned
Does Windows 10 count as a different platform than Xbox? If so Microsoft is doing horrible!!!
sol_bad
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The modern streaming market for games is Stadia, PSNow and soon XCloud. They are services and they can lock their exclusives behind the streaming services if they want.
Separate from the hardware and purchase of individual games model.
CJY
Banned
I need Sony to announce BC for PS1-4 on PS5. That’s the only thing that will bring me back on-board 110%. It’s unlikely gonna happen... just a pipe dream. But the again, for Sony to have me back as hard a fan as I have been since the beginning... that’s a bit of a pipe dream for them too.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Exactly! And when did corporations need to start giving us information that we want on our time? Nobody else is held to that standard (Google, Apple, MS, Nintendo, etc.)
Jubenhimer
Member
Point is, hardware or no hardware, you need exclusive content sell a platform. People complaining about exclusives seem to forget about the success Stranger Things was as an exclusive original for Netflix. Or the Whopper being exclusive of Burger King.
Afro Republican
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Those anticonsumer practices are causing waves of people to leave Playstation every 5 minutes, waves of people.
The data says so on VGchartz guys it's legit.
The data says so on VGchartz guys it's legit.
Pallas
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Does Windows 10 count as a different platform than Xbox? If so Microsoft is doing horrible!!!
But I thought the author was a PS fan?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sony gamers have always been the wall garden-ish variety. It's like Gran Turismo is some family heirloom. Who cares if other people get a chance to play it?
It's gaming who gives a shit whether Mario or Halo or God of War are played on different systems?
Everyone has different budgets, user profiles, and preference for PC or console couch gaming. Some people like console simplicity. Some gamers with good knowledge love tweaking, modding and messing with files to maximize performance or overclock their specs.
The more platforms the better. That's where the money is anyway.
Apple sells shitloads of phones, tablets and Macs. How come they don't just force everyone to buy it at Apple stores or Apple online? YOu can even buy their shit at dingy Walmarts and grubby electronic stores.
If they forced everyone to go through their eco-system of stores, they could maximize profits by cutting out other retailers.
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brap
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I mean technically doesn't have to be.
I'm a nintendo fan now. I can't wait to pay full price for DMC 2!! Let's get it nintendobros!!!
That's basically what this site seems like anyway. Somebody pretending to be a ps fan and saying dumb shit. Who's complaining about sony games coming to other systems again?
sol_bad
Member
You are using Netflix as an example again, a streaming service, Sony/MS/Ninty can release their games exclusively on their streaming service. My point is movies/music can be bought and used and any number of hardware and the industry has run fine for decades with no hardware exclusives.
If Nintendo release their next Mario game on all 3 platforms, it sells better on the Sony/MS platforms and Ninty have the weaker hardware and worse available service. That's called competition and Ninty know they need to improve their hardware and service. Just like the movie industry releases their movies in the digital realm before physical realm these days, Sony/MS/Ninty could do the same, release their own produced game via digital exclusively on their hardware for a week or two before it releases everywhere else.
I know it may be hard to comprehend but I'm suggesting a complete overhaul on how the industry functions. It would sort of get rid of this bullshit console fanboyism that currently exists.
Pallas
Member
That’s what I want to know, you’re thinking this guy wrote the article on bad faith and maybe he did, but if not then I’m curious where he finds these “ardent fans”? YouTube? Certainly not here.
I can see some fans being mad but he’s making it out like it’s a huge chunk.