Eteric Rice
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As much as the game supposedly sucks...
Is a really pretty game... I think it'll hold up well visually.
Is a really pretty game... I think it'll hold up well visually.
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Recent and upcoming games that will age well/badly?
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I think gameplay is the most important factor. If the game is good and fun to play 10 years from now, the person playing it will be willing to put aside any gripes they may have about the graphics, and just appreciate it for what it is. Thats just me though, I've been playing games since the NES and so I can look back at games from then on and not grumble about how they look, especially the ones that I enjoy playing.
nincompoop
Banned
Without reading Drohne's post I'm going to guess he attempts to bash Nintendo while using a bunch of big words.
*reads post*
Damn I'm good!
*reads post*
Damn I'm good!
methane47 said:
METROID???
If anything Metroid will age better than anything in Nintendo's library. I played both Super Metroid and Metroid Prime for really the first time this year and they were both incredible gaming experiences. Prime 1 may not look as good from a technical standpoint but it still has really good art direction.
Virtua Ben
Member
Firestreak said:
I beg to differ. I'm sure there will be another 50 FF games out five years after FF13 is released. Everyone will forget about it unless it's got FFVII potential.
ZealousD said:
the thing with metroid is that things like enemies and plants are starting to look dated by today standards.
the pirates that appear the first time you get into phazon mines don't look that good now. Most enemies are starting to look too blocky, like everything in FFVII on PS just not as bad.
Metroid Prime is perhaps the most timeless 1st party gamecube game.
On other things, I think Mario Sunshine looks fine even by today standards, unlike Mario 64 which looks like ass today.
Bearillusion
Banned
Geometry Wars Evolved.
Andy787 said:
Quoted because these are the best examples of games that are made to take your money just so you can buy the next year's addition with no added features besides slightly enhanced graphics.
EDIT: Viva Pinata will hold up extremely well with its unique graphics and strangely iddictive gameplay.
WHOAguitarninja
Member
The games that will age best are those that look "clean". It comes across as sterile right now, but it's what keeps it from looking like ass when certain things start to be done WAY better in 10 years. The Halo games will age well because of this. As will games like R&C and Metroid Prime (Super Metroid still looks wonderful...and I think is considerably nicer to look at than SOTN).
Games that look great now but will age poorly.
Gears of War (in 5 years this will look like a mess)
Doom 3 engine games (the hard shadows will look very strange in a couple years)
Gran Turismo (the rough backgrounds will eventually be too rough to not notice)
Games that look great now but will age poorly.
Gears of War (in 5 years this will look like a mess)
Doom 3 engine games (the hard shadows will look very strange in a couple years)
Gran Turismo (the rough backgrounds will eventually be too rough to not notice)
nincompoop
Banned
Except that the gameplay and cutscene graphics were pretty much identical, other than using higher poly character models when showing them close up. In fact, many of the cutscenes transitioned directly into the gameplay without any break in between. Fooled me a bunch of times, heh. Or are you referring to the CG cutscenes, of which there weren't all that many? Anyway, I agree it hasn't aged all that well but you can't really say the real time cinemas looked any better than the gameplay.GavinGT said:
Sgt. Killjoy
Member
anything 2D
alternate: anything cel-shaded
alternate: anything cel-shaded
SonOfABeep
Banned
Shadow of the Colossus has some real problems that I'd wager are going to make it feel like pulling out the original Tomb Raider on PSOne does today, once that team puts something out for PS3.
The framerate and the corners that are cut with effects, not to mention the sparse environment are going to hurt that game. Admirable only with context to the hardware it appeared on. Imagine that shot which was posted, except actually using the background with mountains, a setting sun, or other creatures circling the colossus.
Edit: To add some positivity, Condemned is one I just finished and I think will be just as scary/immersive and fun 10/20 years from now, because it has such good sound/environments. The excellent lighting helps too.
The framerate and the corners that are cut with effects, not to mention the sparse environment are going to hurt that game. Admirable only with context to the hardware it appeared on. Imagine that shot which was posted, except actually using the background with mountains, a setting sun, or other creatures circling the colossus.
Edit: To add some positivity, Condemned is one I just finished and I think will be just as scary/immersive and fun 10/20 years from now, because it has such good sound/environments. The excellent lighting helps too.
Technical feats will always lose their significance once they become commonplace or are outdone altogether. So any game which capitalizes heavily on novel graphics features alone has great chances of looking unpleasant after a few years.
This is why lots of PSOne and N64 games aged very badly: many games sustained themselves on the sheer fact of being 3D alone, with inconsistent or thrown-in art direction.
The 32-bit "bad art" syndrome was such a problem that it even plagued the pre-rendered FMV, which didn't suffer of the same technological constraints as the consoles themselves. Many late PS2 games are far more pleasant to the eyes than most pre-1998 FMV.
This is why lots of PSOne and N64 games aged very badly: many games sustained themselves on the sheer fact of being 3D alone, with inconsistent or thrown-in art direction.
The 32-bit "bad art" syndrome was such a problem that it even plagued the pre-rendered FMV, which didn't suffer of the same technological constraints as the consoles themselves. Many late PS2 games are far more pleasant to the eyes than most pre-1998 FMV.
I am fine with anything that doesn't look jaggy and has textures that aren't pixelated or blurry so in my eyes a lot of older games will always be playable.
GT 3 and 4 will look good on standard def tv's until something annihilates F1 in hd.
Mario style games look good until the models look really crappy by the days standard. As long as a new game doesn't make you notice polygons instead of art they hold up.
GT 3 and 4 will look good on standard def tv's until something annihilates F1 in hd.
Mario style games look good until the models look really crappy by the days standard. As long as a new game doesn't make you notice polygons instead of art they hold up.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Kind of related to this thread but one thing I've noticed is that I tend to enjoy visuals based on the platform they're on. So to me, seeing God of War 2 on PS2 is just as impressive to me as seeing Gears on the 360.
Also I've noticed that going back to old 3d games can be jarring but after a bit of play I tend to adjust to the graphics and stop noticing how aged they look. Playing OOT after Wind Waker was a shock at first but after 20 minutes I had adjusted. Same with playing Resi 2 just after RE-make recently.
Also I've noticed that going back to old 3d games can be jarring but after a bit of play I tend to adjust to the graphics and stop noticing how aged they look. Playing OOT after Wind Waker was a shock at first but after 20 minutes I had adjusted. Same with playing Resi 2 just after RE-make recently.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Each successive generation will yield better looking generic animu style characters and bald space marines. Truly beautiful character and locale designs will stand the test of time. Drohne and co are choosing to view comments regarding 'art' as thinly veiled defense of the Wii, but I don't know why they'd think that -- as there are very very few Wii games on the market with anything resembling good art. Good art and good artists matter. Period.
In terms of effects -- blurry textures are going to start looking hideous. I think the comments favouring Wind Waker over Twilight Princess would support me in that theory. We're going to see higher resolution textures and neat shader effects, even on Wii, that will drive the point home. Overuse of any other effect -- bloom, bump / displacement mapping, motion blur -- is also going to look really suspect in the years to come, if it wasn't artfully implimented.
Frame rate can be a killer. Most N64 games are unbearable to me now... whereas those with a nice sense of style, and good framerate, along with many PlayStation titles of the era (and modern day Nintendo DS releases) are perfectly acceptable to me.
In terms of effects -- blurry textures are going to start looking hideous. I think the comments favouring Wind Waker over Twilight Princess would support me in that theory. We're going to see higher resolution textures and neat shader effects, even on Wii, that will drive the point home. Overuse of any other effect -- bloom, bump / displacement mapping, motion blur -- is also going to look really suspect in the years to come, if it wasn't artfully implimented.
Frame rate can be a killer. Most N64 games are unbearable to me now... whereas those with a nice sense of style, and good framerate, along with many PlayStation titles of the era (and modern day Nintendo DS releases) are perfectly acceptable to me.
do people really think that cel-shaded games will age well? i've yet to see realtime cel shading that isn't extremely crude -- it's an effect that will benefit tremendously from better hardware, and once it gets to a point of actual resemblance to cel animation, your jsrs and wind wakers will look hokier than they already do.
Zerodoppler
Member
Games can't get better/worse as time goes by. They will play/look the exactly the same no matter how many years later you decide to play them again. The "hasn't aged well" line that people love to throw around is retarded, IMO.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Well, I think there will be more technically impressive implimentations of the technique obviously -- Trusty Bell, Naruto and other games on 360 and PS3 beyond will prove that I'm sure. But to say something will age well, or even just that it will not age badly, is not necessarily to deny it will age.
I think most Wii games are going to age badly, and it has nothing to do with the graphics.
As Nintendo gets more feedback about how gamers and developers actually use the motion control functionality of the wiimote, they'll refine and improve both the software libraries and the actual hardware for the Super Wii.
Once that hits, Wii games will seem impossibly clunky to play.
As Nintendo gets more feedback about how gamers and developers actually use the motion control functionality of the wiimote, they'll refine and improve both the software libraries and the actual hardware for the Super Wii.
Once that hits, Wii games will seem impossibly clunky to play.
ElectricBlue187
Member
Shadow of the Colossus
BobJustBob
Member
I had forgotten all about Paper Mario:TTYD. In progressive scan it's just ****ing amazing. Best-looking game ever.
Oblivion will age well due to the game's content and playstyle. Graphically not so much, artistically it's great though (STFU weeabos).
The Metal Gear Solid series will age very poorly. It is a game that relys heavily on cutscenes, it will look like ass, it is poorly scripted and the lack of interaction for most of the important parts of the game will leave future gamers frustrated and bored.
The Metal Gear Solid series will age very poorly. It is a game that relys heavily on cutscenes, it will look like ass, it is poorly scripted and the lack of interaction for most of the important parts of the game will leave future gamers frustrated and bored.
I'm replaying Diablo II and it still looks fantastic. Gameplay holds up too, because it always was just gratuitous face smashing.
Likewise, I expect StarCraft II to be around for year, despite the fact that for al inteisve purposes it's a 10 year old game already.
I'm hoping World of Warcraft will be untollerable in a few years, once developers figure out how to make an MMO that isn't bsed on the meritocracy of time wasting - until MMOs reward skill, and success is not dependant entirely on the time you put in, I couldn't give a flying shit about them.
Oblivion? Great art style?...
I think Oblivion has the worst art style of any major game since... Morrowwind. It's an uninspired mess of random western folklore crammed together in the most uncomofrtable uncanny valley yet seen in videogames.
Good art design:
Bad art design:
Jesus, it just makes me think of Sherwood Forest, with all those park rangers dressed up in cheap medieval costumes.
You can't have romanesque swords, medieval germanic armor and gothic enemies all in one game - it's an insult to my eyes.
Likewise, I expect StarCraft II to be around for year, despite the fact that for al inteisve purposes it's a 10 year old game already.
I'm hoping World of Warcraft will be untollerable in a few years, once developers figure out how to make an MMO that isn't bsed on the meritocracy of time wasting - until MMOs reward skill, and success is not dependant entirely on the time you put in, I couldn't give a flying shit about them.
Bowen_B said:
Oblivion? Great art style?...
I think Oblivion has the worst art style of any major game since... Morrowwind. It's an uninspired mess of random western folklore crammed together in the most uncomofrtable uncanny valley yet seen in videogames.
Good art design:
Bad art design:
Jesus, it just makes me think of Sherwood Forest, with all those park rangers dressed up in cheap medieval costumes.
You can't have romanesque swords, medieval germanic armor and gothic enemies all in one game - it's an insult to my eyes.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Eh, I was playing Final Fantasy X recently and I thought it still looked beautiful. Its just that the animation is bit bad. So yeah in 2 years I'll probably play it again and still enjoy it's visuals.
As for other games that have aged fine.
Metal Gear Solid 3
Zone of the Enders 2
Metal Gear Solid 2
Panzer Dragoon
World of Warcraft-still amazed by the world.
Also Final Fantasy XII will age fine if you ask me.
As for other games that have aged fine.
Metal Gear Solid 3
Zone of the Enders 2
Metal Gear Solid 2
Panzer Dragoon
World of Warcraft-still amazed by the world.
Also Final Fantasy XII will age fine if you ask me.
SolidSnakex
Member
PolyGone said:
Go look at WKS trailer and how it animates then go look at TP. There's your reason why WKS will age better.
I don't think aging of a game has anything to do with graphics. However, for example, shooters on the next-gen consoles start having things like realistic aiming models and better hit detection, hit zones (shoot in leg, person loses balance). In driving, you have better driving and weather models, and physics. In some platformers, you have better camera control.
It's the little advances like that that make some games feel so old. I would argue that art has an impact too but to a lesser degree than the seemingly incremental, but actually major, gameplay enhancements.
It's the little advances like that that make some games feel so old. I would argue that art has an impact too but to a lesser degree than the seemingly incremental, but actually major, gameplay enhancements.
meltpotato
Member
the original Legend of Zelda has aged incredibly well. i'd argue it has aged the best of any NES game. just IMO of course.
ElectricBlue187
Member
any game with a framerate < constant 30 will look horrendous to future generations