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Recommend me a shotgun for home protection

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I'm of two minds about this stuff. On one hand, I think many Americans fetishize the idea of "self defense" to a disturbing and unhealthy degree. Seeing this kind of shit bothers me:

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There's a whole culture built around the fantasy of being able to justifiably kill someone (or just to "get away with it"). You can see this reflected in a lot of American media and entertainment, and it's making the weapons industry a fortune.

On the other hand, I can see certain situations where owning a gun might be justifiable. If I lived way out in the country in an area where cops wouldn't be able to respond quickly, I might feel safer knowing I could protect myself if I absolutely needed to.

But if you're living in the suburbs, just get an alarm system.
 
I love coming into these threads just to pick the people offering advice based on their detailed knowledge and experience of owning a shit load of CoD games and having never even seen a real gun.

Makes my day...
 
iMax said:
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I think you'll find it's "Ah - ha" actually ;)

Getting a gun for home protection seems about as logical as driving a Mad Max road warrior to protect you from car crashes on the daily school run. Then again, America is the home of the urban SUV...
 
This thread is uncomfortable for a non-american to read that's for sure. No shame in promoting violence culture at all.
 
Two stories from the perspective of a non-US citizen and gun culture.

My Father worked in the US for a few years and was invited out to a chartered fishing trip that went overnight. Before anyone was allowed to board the Captain stated that no one was to take a fire arm on board, so if anyone had one, they were to leave it in their car. My father couldnt help but laugh when every single person there except himself and a Frenchman he worked with had to go back to their vehicles and return their firearms. All of them. My old man was baffled by the idea they all felt the need to bring their guns out on a fishing trip, why would you need it? Who knows.

Second instance was a bit more of a worry. Family stayed a few days with some friends they knew from a previous job. My sister who was maybe 9 or 10 at the time, came in to tell Dad there were guns in her room. Dad was like yeh not exactly massively surprising. Went in to check them out, told her not to worry as they were probably empty anyway. Dad pulled the bolt one of the rifles, a fully ready to fire catridge falls out. Checked the shotgun, same story. Every gun in the room was loaded and not one of them had the safety on.

When Dad approached his friend about it, he didnt think much of it, they were like that just in case and he didnt even think to tell my Father anout it knowing his young daughter was going to be sleeping in the same room as a bunch of guns, all loaded, no safety on. Dad gave my sister a stern warning about not going anywhere near any of the guns and turned the safety on them anyway.

Now, yeh thats an irresponsible gun owner right there, guns in the open, accessible to children and all load ready to go with no safety. I wouldnt say this is indicative of all gun owners but you have to imagine there would still be a high enough percentage of owners this lax about safety to be a concern. Little wonder we've had stories of children shooting themselves or others playing with them.
 
I can't wait for the day when the U.S.A. as a country and institute finally wakes up from this redundant, stupid and wholly unethical 'self-protection' justification and realizes that the best self-defense is not in the form of primitive projectile weapons but is instead a form of personalized mobile/bipedal cocoon mecha-exoskeleton that is fully armour-plated, explosion/pressure-rated, completely furnished within with household amenities, plumbing/waste treatment, air supplies and 'at-home' work and entertainment facilities and is mandatory for each and every citizen from birth 'til death eliminating the need for your petty real estate industry, retirement homes and half of your primitive corporate monoliths:. You backwater primates need to get on us Jovians' level if you want to survive World War Paradox:.
 
I want to get a gun.... (a remington) but not for home defense. No, I want it for hunting... the most dangerous of all prey!

Gaffers

Nah but seriously, I like the idea of going to the range and/or hunting game that I'll eat.

Outside of that nope. Don't even want it in my home. I got a nice storage unit that it all can stay in till my next trip.
 
Why are people so opposed to people keeping a gun in their house on case of home invasion? Some people really want to use it, but there's a huge group of people who buy a gun and hope they never have to use it. Some parts of the US are dangerous as shit.
 
Mohonky said:
The question is why? We see Americans love affair with guns, see the ridiculously high mortality rate as a result of gun violence and think how on can you continue to go on about home protection and say there is no problem with gun ownership when the statistics tell us that you have a disproportionate amount of gun related violence to the rest of the developed world?

What logical reason can explain this except that gun ownership is simply too accessible, too loosely controlled, in many cases the guns themselves are ridiculously overpowered and in reality there are so many guns in the hands of people that really have no reason to own them.
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Now you have done it.
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The eagle. It's crying.

I totally agree
 
Intheflorsh said:
I'm of two minds about this stuff. On one hand, I think many Americans fetishize the idea of "self defense" to a disturbing and unhealthy degree. Seeing this kind of shit bothers me:

phd-311x417.jpg


There's a whole culture built around the fantasy of being able to justifiably kill someone (or just to "get away with it"). You can see this reflected in a lot of American media and entertainment, and it's making the weapons industry a fortune.

On the other hand, I can see certain situations where owning a gun might be justifiable. If I lived way out in the country in an area where cops wouldn't be able to respond quickly, I might feel safer knowing I could protect myself if I absolutely needed to.

But if you're living in the suburbs, just get an alarm system.
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Yup because by the time I hear someone smash in my door and call the cops they will do any good. If they are there with any intent for violence they will be quick about it. Like hell am I going to rely on calling the cops and wait for them when the only thing that seperates my family and them is a flight of stairs. I will be sitting on top of the stairs with my gun. My wife can call the cops and gather the kids in the mean time. There is so many naive people here who are making ridiculous comments about the intent of people breaking in. Am I going to shoot someone over stealing a TV. No. Come near my family and you won't be walking out of my home.

I'm all for an alarm system but it wont protect you from a hopped up criminal who possibly wants to rape/beat/murder someone in their home.
 
Everyone in the world should all have shotguns and automatic weapons, that way, no one would ever get shot as we would all be able to defend our own families!
 
Spork4000 said:
Why are people so opposed to people keeping a gun in their house on case of home invasion? Some people really want to use it, but there's a huge group of people who buy a gun and hope they never have to use it. Some parts of the US are dangerous as shit.
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Because of people with guns, right?

Fuck this thread. Feel like I need a shower after reading the first couple pages.
 
ricochetguro said:
Does anyone else here jerk off while imagining home invasion fantasies?
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Damage Inc said:
Yup because by the time I hear someone smash in my door and call the cops they will do any good. If they are there with any intent for violence they will be quick about it. Like hell am I going to rely on calling the cops and wait for them when the only thing that seperates my family and them is a flight of stairs. I will be sitting on top of the stairs with my gun. My wife can call the cops and gather the kids in the mean time. There is so many naive people here who are making ridiculous comments about the intent of people breaking in. Am I going to shoot someone over stealing a TV. No. Come near my family and you won't be walking out of my home.

I'm all for an alarm system but it wont protect you from a hopped up criminal who possibly wants to rape/beat/murder someone in their home.
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This dude probably does.
 
salva said:
In the real world where home invasions are a real threat.
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Really? What country? In the us there are about 100 homicides during a burglary per year, which in a country of 300 million is vanishingly small. Combine that with most of the homicides happening in very poor areas, and the risk is even lower. Compare that with the 18000 incidences of suicide, accidental self harm, domestic violence and accidental harm of others (a lot of children, for example) and it seems like more trouble than it's worth.

If you do get a shotgun, at least load it with less lethal ammunition. It it ends te threat, there is no need to kill a guy for trying to take your DVD player. Homeowners also do occasionally get sentenced for murder in these situations, so say you get a 1 in 10 chance of going to prison for killing a burglar it also seems like the DVD player is cheaper.
 
Phat Michael said:
Yep. Same argument across America.

We need guns.

Why?

Because everyone else has them!

But what if no one has guns?

... We could be invaded?
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Hi, I'm an American that doesn't own or want a gun. I have no issues with people wanting a gun. America is a giant country with insanely different pockets of population. In the area I live, having a gun doesn't do much. In other areas, I would most likely consider it myself. There are a lot of people who are in America. A lot of them are poor, have mental disease, or are just desperate.

Here is the type of shit that happens in America (the original beating video is in the article):
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2...ing_caught_on_nanny_cam_appears_in_court.html

I posted in the gaf thread about this back then, noting I've lived in the area before and had been thinking of moving back. Millburn is a very a rich area with very little crime. I don't think anyone would think of ever owning a gun there. And yet this shit happens.

It's just a reality. So if someone wanted to own a gun around here, I'd raise my eyebrow a bit, but then you see shit like the above. If someone wanted to own a gun in certain other parts of the country, I would nod in agreement, because it's better to be prepared than be on the wrong side of bad luck when something happens.
 
salva said:
Shotguns, imo, are the best for home defense. It's hard to miss with them due to the spread. Sure, a handgun would be cool but i'm sure during a tense moment i would miss.
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There's almost no spread on a shotgun at ranged you'd use it indoors. You have to aim it just as accurately as a pistol. It's slower to aim, fire and fire additional shots. If you have to search your house it's much easier to be disarmed. It's also almost disablingly LOUD. The only time I would ever use a shotgun for home defense is if I had to hunker down with the family in a bedroom and cover a doorway. Everything else it's a pistol all the way.
 
Spork4000 said:
Why are people so opposed to people keeping a gun in their house on case of home invasion? Some people really want to use it, but there's a huge group of people who buy a gun and hope they never have to use it. Some parts of the US are dangerous as shit.
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Because it's pretty much the exact same situation as holding a nuclear deterrent, just on a way smaller scale. Having everyone point weapons at each other isn't a sustainable, long-term solution to solve the issues requiring a deterrent in the first place.

I hate to bring this into the conversation but I really think one of the key issues here comes down to cops carrying guns. I understand this is essentially a catch-22 situation but it certainly explains some of the rationale for criminals to acquire weapons, and therefore homeowners too.

Countries with unarmed police forces, I suspect, have fewer instances of gun crime. Pointing weapons at each other doesn't solve the problem. It sustains the problem. The core issue is far more complex and isn't addressed with enough importance in today's society.
 
iMax said:
Because it's pretty much the exact same situation as holding a nuclear deterrent, just on a way smaller scale. Having everyone point weapons at each other isn't a sustainable, long-term solution to solve the issues requiring a deterrent in the first place.

I hate to bring this into the conversation but I really think one of the key issues here comes down to cops carrying guns. I understand this is essentially a catch-22 situation but it certainly explains some of the rationale for criminals to acquire weapons, and therefore homeowners too.

Countries with unarmed police forces, I suspect, have fewer instances of gun crime. Pointing weapons at each other doesn't solve the problem. It sustains the problem. The core issue is far more complex and isn't addressed with enough importance in today's society.
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Well said. It's the cold war nuclear arms race on a more personal scale.
 
Askherserenity said:
This dude probably does.
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Yup. Every night. Get lost.

And for clarification I am all for tightening down restrictions on how easy it is to get a gun. I think private sales or trades need to be heavily restricted. Like I said in my post above I wouldn't shoot someone for stealing a TV or other item but if they come near my wife and kids it will be a different story. Regardless of if you own a gun you should always be aware of how you should react to a burglary regardless. I would love to live in a world where we don't have to have these discussions but that isn't happening right now.
 
Phat Michael said:
Well said. It's the cold war nuclear arms race on a more personal scale.
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I mean, I'm even more concerned about the people that have M16s for "home defence". It's just insane. I can understanding the rationale for carrying a small-arms weapon for personal defence, even if I don't agree with it... but an assault rifle? And the militarisation of police forces across America? It's like a warzone.
 
Damage Inc said:
Yup. Every night. Get lost.

And for clarification I am all for tightening down restrictions on how easy it is to get a gun. I think private sales or trades need to be heavily restricted. Like I said in my post above I wouldn't shoot someone for stealing a TV or other item but if they come near my wife and kids it will be a different story. Regardless of if you own a gun you should always be aware of how you should react to a burglary regardless. I would love to live in a world where we don't have to have these discussions but that isn't happening right now.
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Sorry. Was mainly judging by your post and Punisher avatar.
 
Phat Michael said:
Well said. It's the cold war nuclear arms race on a more personal scale.
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No, it's not. It's a very specific piece of American culture that applies to certain situations and locations. And this is a simple recommend me a product thread that you guys are hijacking.
 
I'm an expert said:
No, it's not. It's a very specific piece of American culture that applies to certain situations and locations. And this is a simple recommend me a product thread that you guys are hijacking.
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Absolutely, it's not fair to say this is US-wide. It is very much a localised issue. However, the motivations to acquire lethal weaponry are generally for the same reasons, are they not?
 
I'm an expert said:
No, it's not. It's a very specific piece of American culture that applies to certain situations and locations. And this is a simple recommend me a product thread that you guys are hijacking.
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Yeah, you thinking this is just another simple recommend me a product thread is probably the problem.
 
I guess I'm just curious where everyone on this thread lives since they don't feel the need for home defense guns.

Just this week an old lady's house was broken into in my area of town and she was raped at gunpoint. She was 100 years old.

My house was robbed a month ago, luckily no one was home at the time.

I see it as a practical solution to a very real problem in parts of the US.
 
iMax said:
Well this thread is terrifying. Shame to see America is still living in the 19th century.
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Owning a gun isn't terrifying.

Where are you from so I can criticize?

Ryan242004 said:
I guess I'm just curious where everyone on this thread lives since they don't feel the need for home defense guns.

Just this week an old lady's house was broken into in my area of town and she was raped at gunpoint. She was 100 years old.

My house was robbed a month ago, luckily no one was home at the time.

I see it as a practical solution to a very real problem in parts of the US.
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How DARE you have a gun!!! You 19th century monster!
 
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