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[banefirelord]

Yeah, and even Rockstar has a precedent for this. GTA Vice City and GTA San Andreas were prequels to GTAIII, and while some characters appeared here and there and linked all of the stories, the main crux of the stories were independent. The events of GTAIII could have never happened without the events of VC and SA, but the core narrative of those stories were independent of one another.

Rockstar has a history of doing a very good job of this. I was disappointed that they mostly abandoned it in GTAIV -> V, as I was hoping for a few more tie-ins other than just some minor call-backs.

Yeah, this is the ideal way to do it. It was really fun running into a bunch of III characters in San Andreas and randomly running into Packie on a street corner in V and using him for heists was neat. Enough fan service for it to be cool when it happens but not so much that it gets obnoxious or eye-rolly or, even worse, boring.

 

[The Albatross]

So the trailer is where?

Currently it is uploaded to Rockstar's servers and YouTube, in a locked account, ready to be posted a little under 22 hours from now.

Yeah, this is the ideal way to do it. It was really fun running into a bunch of III characters in San Andreas and randomly running into Packie on a street corner in V and using him for heists was neat. Enough fan service for it to be cool when it happens but not so much that it gets obnoxious or eye-rolly or, even worse, boring.

Agreed, I thought VC -> SA -> III did it great. I loved how the mafia stories all tie in together from VC -> SA -> III, and the silly side story involving Catalina in San Andreas, which then leads directly to the opening sequence of GTAIII with Catalina setting up Claude/protagonist.

 

[Always-honest]

So the trailer is where?

Waiting to get revealed tomorrow.

 

[dreamfall]

The wait is killing me

Step in front of a runaway train, just to feel alive again...

 

[Xumbrega]

Tomorrow (East Coast US Time)



You and I both. RDR was THE game I always wanted. I had dreamed of an open world Western game since GTA 3.

I might legitimately be "HYPED" in the literal sense for a game again. Like OoT hyped.

Same, a few times I was hyped as I am today with RDR2.

Step in front of a runaway train, just to feel alive again...

One of the most memorable gaming moments of all time.. damn.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Wasn't that confirmed to be false?

I don't know, but Colin Moriarty mentioned that people he trusts in the industry said it was true.

 

[banefirelord]

How do you guys feel about the bad employee treatment from rockstar? especially rockstar san diego, and how, according to the lawsuit, leslie benzies was treated and the way they fired him? I can't not feel excited for a new Red Dead, it's easily my favorite game from them, and one of the best games i've ever played, but i was so bummed this year getting to know about these things, that while i am excited, i can't "admire" the leaders anymore.

I don't have the power to boycott a game like this, but i won't play with the same admiration like i did.

The thing is, this ain't just Rockstar...the industry on the whole is really shitty about this stuff especially since there's no unionization in place and everything's so volatile and weird. I personally won't feel any better or worse playing it than I do any other AAA game.

Ethical consumption of just about anything is very difficult in modern capitalism and when you start digging into the way any given sausage gets made shit gets gross somewhere down the line. At some point you (not you specifically, just the general "you") need to accept living in a state of disavowal or you'll go crazy.

 

[LoveCake]

It's only autumn 2016 now

Uh autumn next year mate. lol

I even viewed the image (above) about the Sony FB header and saw that it had 2017, I don't know why I thought it was this year, even now I don't know why I put this autumn, maybe it was the excitement.

I just hope the trailer is a good size, a couple of minutes and not a teaser.

 

[ODDI]

Oh man if this really a prequel then I we get to see Abigail story which could be..... really sad but also John stepping up professing his love to her. Damn I really excited now the prequel has so much potential.

 

[Bikram]

Hopefully they will surprise us with RDR remaster or a PC port announcement as well. I want to play the game with good IQ and framerate again.

 

[cr0w]

The thing is, this ain't just Rockstar...the industry on the whole is really shitty about this stuff especially since there's no unionization in place and everything's so volatile and weird. I personally won't feel any better or worse playing it than I do any other AAA game.

Ethical consumption of just about anything is very difficult in modern capitalism and when you start digging into the way any given sausage gets made shit gets gross somewhere down the line. At some point you (not you specifically, just the general "you") need to accept living in a state of disavowal or you'll go crazy.

Yep.

I have friends who are heavily into the industry and are constantly talking about whatever drama is going on behind the scenes from week to week, name-dropping executives, etc. etc. and it just sounds exhausting.

Personally, I still hold the mindset I did when I was a kid back in the NES/SNES days. A game is announced, I get excited, and magically it just appears months down the line for me to consume as if fucking elves just conjured it up out of nowhere. I've got too much going on personally to dig any deeper into it.

 

[ODDI]

Calling it now the guy in the centre is our RDR online character

 

[pizzapizza64]

Any word on potentially getting the Xbox 360 download of RDR for preordering or purchasing the new game? Like what we've seen with Dark Souls and Fallout

 

[dreamfall]

Calling it now the guy in the centre is our RDR online character

You know I was saying just that yesterday, kind of hoping it wasn't true!

Like you create a character that you play through the story with and then take online seamlessly. The guy in the middle looks way too generic to be anyone... I kind of hope this isn't the case! But hell, if this is, creating the character you'd want in your own Western tale would be neat.

 

[jett]

Rdr was a hot mess from a technical standpoint. Those emails proved benzies had to save that train wreck at the end of development

Of course one person doesnt make a game but obviously he was the housers "ringer"

What did the benz do exactly, anyway.

 

[Shari]

You can leave the Benz be now. RDR2 is going to be running on the same framework/engine as GTAV did so there is nothing there for Leslie to fix.

Id say graphically the game is going to look close to GTAV in terms of IQ but with a lot more going on on-screen.

We will know tomorrow if Rockstar does a Rockstar trailer.

 

[Nirolak]

What did the benz do exactly, anyway.

If we believe the legal case, he did the same thing that Rod Fergusson did for BioShock Infinite.

Basically he went in on what was a completely unshippable product, reviewed all the content to create a list of things to keep, fix, or cut, and then created and lead an organizational structure that got the product into a high quality gold mastered state in 6-12 months.

It's basically a production role, but with a sense of what a game needs to be good driving it.

It's certainly not impossible to find someone else who could do that, but the main skepticism with him not being there is that Red Dead Redemption 2 might see even more delays due to quality and product issues than normal since they're unlikely to be willing to ship something that won't hit their quality bar unless the product is literally unsalvageable.

 

[RobertRaviolli]

I hope it's not a prequel centered around Dutch's Gang because I feel like,with prequels,there's a certain element of surprise lost;for example:we know Dutch is going to become more and more crazy, we know Abigail and John will end up together and we know there will be a botched heist where John will be left to die by the rest of the Gang

I'd rather have an original story set decades before RDR with a new bunch of characters (bonus points if It stars a black character during the Civil War like Django Unchained)

 

[PhazonBlazer]

If it is a prequel, I wonder if they playable character is someone new, or if we get John, Dutch, and Bill as playable characters.

 

[Robot Pants]

As much as I'd want a new cast, I think it'd be pretty awesome to start the trailer with "come on out, John!"
The return of johns voice actor would be pretty cool

 

[SomTervo]

I hope it's not a prequel centered around Dutch's Gang because I feel like,with prequels,there's a certain element of surprise lost;for example:we know Dutch is going to become more and more crazy, we know Abigail and John will end up together and we know there will be a botched heist where John will be left to die by the rest of the Gang

I'd rather have an original story set decades before RDR with a new bunch of characters (bonus points if It stars a black character during the Civil War like Django Unchained)

But the best stories aren't about the payoff

 

[Prototype Viktor]

There were no black cowboys.

I saw one in this documentary called Saddles Blazing or Truman Show or something I can't remember

 

[Tonky]

Did RDR and GTA V really have different art styles? RDR, MP3, LA Noire, and GTAV all looked like they could be set in the same universe IMHO. GTAIV was slightly more realistic and slightly less cartoony.

 

[MMarston]

Did RDR and GTA V really have different art styles?

I can't exactly put it into proper words but environmental wise, GTAV had more of this West-Coast Pop vibe or some shit like that. Whereas RDR's look made me really feel like I was in a Sergio Leone film, GTAV made me feel like I was in Drive mixed with Pulp Fiction.

 

[Chumley]

I can't exactly put it into proper words but environmental wise, GTAV had more of this West-Coast Pop vibe or some shit like that. Whereas RDR's look made me really feel like I was in a Sergio Leone film, GTAV made me feel like I was in Drive mixed with Pulp Fiction.

RDR is on another level completely art and style-wise from anything else Rockstar has done. Rockstar SD is the goat. Just walking around that first town felt more authentic and atmospheric to me than anything in GTA V, as amazing a recreation of LA as it was.

 

[Fjordson]

I can't exactly put it into proper words but environmental wise, GTAV had more of this West-Coast Pop vibe or some shit like that. Whereas RDR's look made me really feel like I was in a Sergio Leone film, GTAV made me feel like I was in Drive mixed with Pulp Fiction.

Agreed. There were subtle differences between the two.

RDR is on another level completely art and style-wise from anything else Rockstar has done. Rockstar SD is the goat.

Definitely disagree with that. What's wrong with GTA's art style?

 

[jett]

If we believe the legal case, he did the same thing that Rod Fergusson did for BioShock Infinite.

Basically he went in on what was a completely unshippable product, reviewed all the content to create a list of things to keep, fix, or cut, and then created and lead an organizational structure that got the product into a high quality gold mastered state in 6-12 months.

It's basically a production role, but with a sense of what a game needs to be good driving it.

It's certainly not impossible to find someone else who could do that, but the main skepticism with him not being there is that Red Dead Redemption 2 might see even more delays due to quality and product issues than normal since they're unlikely to be willing to ship something that won't hit their quality bar unless the product is literally unsalvageable.

Guess Rockstar should've thought twice before burning that bridge.

 

[M.W.]

I even viewed the image (above) about the Sony FB header and saw that it had 2017, I don't know why I thought it was this year, even now I don't know why I put this autumn, maybe it was the excitement.

I just hope the trailer is a good size, a couple of minutes and not a teaser.

I hope it shows gameplay and it's not all cutscenes.

 

[Fjordson]

Could be like GTA V's reveal trailer. In-engine, but no actual gameplay and no definitive character reveals (we heard and saw Michael, but didn't really know who he was).

Man, that was a great trailer.

 

[cb1115]

Calling it now the guy in the centre is our RDR online character

stahp

 

[Chumley]

Agreed. There were subtle differences between the two.


Definitely disagree with that. What's wrong with GTA's art style?

Nothing wrong with it at all, I just think RDR is more impressive. GTAV did a great job at recreating LA and the Salton Sea but RDR reaches a level of occasionally jaw dropping almost painterly beauty I never really felt with GTAV.

 

[dreamfall]

Could be like GTA V's reveal trailer. In-engine, but no actual gameplay and no definitive character reveals (we heard and saw Michael, but didn't really know who he was).

Man, that was a great trailer.

That trailer was awesome - I feel like we're going to get some voice cameos, but maybe not standout shots of the gang. I hope a lot of it will be beautiful scenery and animals! It's going to be great to finally have a Rockstar game tailored for this gen.

 

[Fjordson]

Nothing wrong with it at all, I just think RDR is more impressive. GTAV did a great job at recreating LA and the Salton Sea but RDR reaches a level of occasionally jaw dropping almost painterly beauty I never really felt with GTAV.

Ah, I feel you. Red Dead does have something unique about it that stands out from all their other games (other than the obvious differences in setting and time period).

That trailer was awesome - I feel like we're going to get some voice cameos, but maybe not standout shots of the gang. I hope a lot of it will be beautiful scenery and animals! It's going to be great to finally have a Rockstar game tailored for this gen.

Agreed. Hoping for some dope vista shots.

 

[More_Badass]

Could be like GTA V's reveal trailer. In-engine, but no actual gameplay and no definitive character reveals (we heard and saw Michael, but didn't really know who he was).

Man, that was a great trailer.

Much like RDR's first trailer, it did such a good job establishing the era and setting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkoHAzjnUs

Edit: wow, the RDR debut trailer and GTA V debut trailer were only two years apart (2009 and 2011). The evolution between the two visually is huge

 

[ROUGE_BLOCK]

My excitement for this game is that hopefully it has absolutley nothing to do with the previous game and be a prequel with a set of new characters right in the middle of Wild West like the 1860s.

 

[cb1115]

ugh just the thought of having a silent created character as the protagonist in a Rockstar game

 

[Pejo]

ugh just the thought of having a silent created character as the protagonist in a Rockstar game

Agreed, it'd be a huge step backwards from Marston.

 

[Nirolak]

...Why would people assume a created character is silent?

 

[dreamfall]

...Why would people assume a created character is silent?

Yeah, I'm sure if this the direction they take Rockstar would've recorded the script several times over for different voices to select. Maybe because the GTA:O missions have cutscenes directed around your character not speaking at all.

 

[CaptainMellow]

Red Dead Redemption is my favourite Rockstar Game, the setting, the characters, and the tone of the game was different compared to their other games. Just a shame it won't be launching on PC same time as the consoles, I guess they'll release it within a year of the console launch.

 

[RoKKeR]

It's certainly not impossible to find someone else who could do that, but the main skepticism with him not being there is that Red Dead Redemption 2 might see even more delays due to quality and product issues than normal since they're unlikely to be willing to ship something that won't hit their quality bar unless the product is literally unsalvageable.

This seems like quite a big jump to make. Two different projects, and we have no idea how their development environment, processes, etc. may have changed since RDR was launched. Were there similar stories for GTA V?

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

A create a character protagonist with options for race and gender would be the most progressive thing Rockstar has ever done and would send a message.


Though I doubt that is the case.

 

[joms5]

Man I will be pissed if it's a CG trailer.

I know that's not the Rockstar style, but oh man that would ruin this entire announcement for me.

 

[UrbanRats]

A create a character protagonist with options for race and gender would be the most progressive thing Rockstar has ever done and would send a message.


Though I doubt that is the case.

I can only wish.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

A create-a-character for a single-player component is honest to god the last thing I'd expect from Rockstar.

 

[KorrZ]

A create a character protagonist with options for race and gender would be the most progressive thing Rockstar has ever done and would send a message.


Though I doubt that is the case.

This would not work with Rockstar's style of games at all.

 

[UrbanRats]

...Why would people assume a created character is silent?

Due to GTA Online, they even joke about it there.
But yeah if it was in the campaign, it wouldn't be.

 

[Gorillaz]

A create-a-character for a single-player component is honest to god the last thing I'd expect from Rockstar.

Likewise. It's completely out their wheelhouse. R puts a lot into creating their own MC.

Can't ever see them do it.

 

[SolidSnakex]

This seems like quite a big jump to make. Two different projects, and we have no idea how their development environment, processes, etc. may have changed since RDR was launched. Were there similar stories for GTA V?

Nope, I think Redemption's issues may have been down to it being Rockstar San Diego's first game of that scope. It was on the same level as a mainline GTA in terms of scope. So they may have bitten off more than they could chew. They've been through that so they know what they're getting into now with RDR2.

 

[NickatNite]

Man I will be pissed if it's a CG trailer.

I know that's not the Rockstar style, but oh man that would ruin this entire announcement for me.

Have they actually done this before? I can't recall , maybe with the warriors opening "can you dig it" speech , cause I think thats CG in the game.