Anticitizen One
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Im thrilled the CNN lady called him out that the Wii U is going to be a generation behind Ps4/next xbox
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Reggie on CNN: "3rd-party games like CoD look dramatically better on our system"
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entremet
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Technically iit s the same generation. The specs are definitely worse, tho, at least according to the projections.
Two points, xandaca:
This isn't how it works. Twilight Princess was developed almost its entire life with GCN in mind; every aspect of it is so clearly rooted in GCN-era Nintendo design that even if Nintendo never said that it would have been self-evident. Nintendo forced it out early on Wii so they could claim they had a meaty hardcore title at the event.
And two...
The quality of a creative idea is not defined by how many people shamelessly copy it. Nintendo during the GCN era was far more focused on refinements, that's true, but guess what? Refined games equal BETTER games. That said, many of their games included a multitude of original ideas that drastically improved the titles they were involved. That a billion people didn't copy it is a.) necessarily a result of GCN not selling a lot and b.) not a comment on how great those innovations were.
Also by your standards: motion controlled sports existed before Wii Sports, Wii Sports merely refined the concept. And it was still shallow mini-game tripe, so.
xandaca said:
This isn't how it works. Twilight Princess was developed almost its entire life with GCN in mind; every aspect of it is so clearly rooted in GCN-era Nintendo design that even if Nintendo never said that it would have been self-evident. Nintendo forced it out early on Wii so they could claim they had a meaty hardcore title at the event.
And two...
xandaca said:
The quality of a creative idea is not defined by how many people shamelessly copy it. Nintendo during the GCN era was far more focused on refinements, that's true, but guess what? Refined games equal BETTER games. That said, many of their games included a multitude of original ideas that drastically improved the titles they were involved. That a billion people didn't copy it is a.) necessarily a result of GCN not selling a lot and b.) not a comment on how great those innovations were.
Also by your standards: motion controlled sports existed before Wii Sports, Wii Sports merely refined the concept. And it was still shallow mini-game tripe, so.
Baconsammy
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It's too bad she didn't know enough about the launch ports to ask him why his "new" console is seemingly inferior to the two 7 year old consoles, and also ask why Nintendo's own launch titles don't push the supposed power of the Wii U either. She did ask better questions than gaming "journalists" ask though.
It's the Nintendo cycle. Revolution, then evolution. NES to SNES. N64 to GC. And hopefully Wii to Wii U. I expect the Wii U to have a ton of fucking awesome Nintendo games, like the GC and SNES before it!
Phoenician_Viking
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Is the WiiU´s online capabilities better than PSN?
It´s sad that people actually do that on the internet. No worries
I did misunderstand, apologies. Usually when someone says "for your own sake", it's a threat or something. That's why I thought your post was different in tone.
I understand now though. It's true what you say, but these threads are big and fast moving... maybe someone will see that post where they didn't see the last one, ya know
It´s sad that people actually do that on the internet. No worries
TGO
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yet again, this reminds me Baghdad bob.... I can't unsee it!
Anticitizen One
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See I hear you but I don't think its fair to go by generation in terms of release schedule. The Wii was just a rebranded Gamecube and basically came at the end of the ps2/xbox era. The Wii U is Nintendo's answer to Xbox 360 and Ps3.
CoffeeJanitor
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Head of company bullshits when talking about his product, news at 11.
But power doesn't prove what generation a console is in, the Wii U is 8th gen like the PS4/720.
Never agreed with this, I don't want to start another debate, just one question.
Would you consider the DS and the PSP to be in the same generation?
Byakuya769
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Pretty much. Though it was a pretty bold lie. I would say it didn't deserve 16 pages, but then you have people in here actually arguing that it was true!
entremet
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Generations were never about power but hardware succession. NeoGeo and SNES share the same generation.
Yes.
Not only that but they went head to head in the marketplace. PSP was way more powerful.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
TBF, PR guys just repeat what they're told, GG probably said they could hit that render or it was representive of gameplay.
Oh? Explain 4G and 3G then
perineumlick
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What's the difference?
BrokenEchelon
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console_(eighth_generation)
Yeah. Generation indicating a period of time has been the accepted convention in the game industry for decades. I don't know why people have such a hard time grasping that.
Just because someone says that the Wii or Wii U are in the same generation as the 360/PS3 or 720/PS4 respectively, doesn't mean they're somehow also saying that all three of those systems are in the same ballpark regarding power.
If you try to argue that a generation is a horsepower jump or "innovation" then you would create a massive clusterfuck. Xbox 360 would be its own generation, then the PS3's Blu-Ray capabilities would be another generation, the Wii's control setup would be another generation, and then the 360's dashboards updates could sometimes even warrant a new "generation".
It's stupid.
It's still lying?
Both claims are pretty ridiculous.
Baconsammy
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Reggie's statement is deceptive and anti-consumer. The Sony statement was merely delusional.
freenudemacusers
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? Did they get the wii u off a skymall catalog?
remember "you will say wow"
of course they're going to be up beat about the hardware capabilities! Do you think they will say "well yes the system sucks under the hood, but it is what is outside the hood that counts!"
perineumlick
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Bingo.
Boss Man
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But it's probably a lot more useful to talk about consoles in terms of their power and/or ability to produce similar products, rather than talking about the date that they were released.
Wikipedia aside, that's why the word is misused. Because the way it's being misused is the thing that people actually care about. When someone says that the Wii U is 'current gen', everyone knows what they mean by that- that it should be grouped more closely with PS3/360. The whole idea of a console generation exists to talk about a group of similar products. Nintendo kind of threw a wrench into the concept with the Wii. So what if we redefine a term a bit to facilitate conversation?
Raven77
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Yes only Republicans ever lie...lol.
Anyway. Yes, Reggie is outright lying, just look at some of the side by side footage out there of COD, Batman, and a few of the other multi-plats. In most cases the Wii U version looks worse but that should change over time....or at least it would change over time if the next xbox and PS4 weren't about to launch next year. Me and Josh were just talking about this.
shouamabane
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Apparently Reggie was referring to GAF drama.
But we did say wow...
ColdBlooder
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4 comes after 3
Phoenician_Viking
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Not with regards to technology. Stop implying human terms towards technology which has always been defined by technological advancement. So stop twisting the logic so it can fit your agenda.
BrokenEchelon
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Ok, so comparing the Wii to the Xbox, Gamecube and PS2 makes more sense?
How? The Wii's controls are entirely unique and thus the experience is totally unique as well and in no way comparable to the PS2 or Gamecube or Xbox even if it is more graphically "aligned" with them.
Of course GAF would jump down Reggie's throat for this statement, because it's been a huge orgy of tearing down the Wii-U technically for awhile
Did you expect him to say, "No yeah... 360/PS3 are still kicking our brand new system's ass graphically in third party ports, why bother getting our system?"
Did you expect him to say, "No yeah... 360/PS3 are still kicking our brand new system's ass graphically in third party ports, why bother getting our system?"
But it has always been that way when concerning gaming consoles, despite the fact it doesn't fit the usual tech definition, that's why these arguments keep happening.
Hahaha. What agenda?
Your Nintengenda, dur!
He doesn't have to lie about it. That's mean
Bam Bam Baklava
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This seems like a stretch.
TGO
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pertaining to the next stage of development or version of a product, service, or technology
Sounds like a advancement to me. thou it a advancement to Wii so.
but then again, didn't Capcom say "The Next Gen Doesn't Start With Wii U"
though if people insist its based on time or a period then developers & current gen is still running, there are no Next gen games, therefore the Wii U was released near the end of the current generation & is thereby current gen with a short life expectancy
"Third party devs did the best they could in a limited development cycle, blah blah transition to Mario/Zelda HD without saying anything completely full of shit."
Phoenician_Viking
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Consoles are a technological pieces and thus technological term fit them.
Anticitizen One
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yes and the Vita and 3DS are part of the same generation
This is why I miss bits it was much easier ID'ing a console by saying "This is 64 bit and these two are only 32 bit" instead of getting into debates over generations.
perineumlick
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Holding companies to a higher standard, rather than swallowing whatever tripe they are trying to feed us, seems to be frowned upon by some, eh?
So why has this definition only been used since the Wii came into the picture? Also, handhelds, see below.
See, this is where things get weird. The DS is pretty much a portable N64, and the PSP a portable PS2, yet they're considered the same generation. By tech terms, the PSP (And the Vita over the 3DS) would be a generation ahead, yet no-one says that. That's why the whole Wii U is last gen argument holds no water for me.
Irrelevant. Its GameCube release was highly limited, its main release was on Wii, ergo it is a Wii game. Eternal Darkness was initially developed for the N64, as was Starfox Adventures. Doesn't mean they should be considered N64 games. Fact is, even if TP were somehow classified as a GameCube game, it doesn't justify the console's general lack of ideas, its mediocre first party support and limited library of third party games, let alone good ones.
As for innovation, if an idea doesn't go beyond a single title, it's a gimmick. The bongos might have been OK for that Donkey Kong game, but had no wider practical application and showed Nintendo desperately struggling to devise an idea which stuck. Same goes for the wildly unwieldy GBA connectivity.
We obviously disagree about the quality of Wii Sports, which I and my family greatly enjoyed and IMO showed how motion sensing could create a new gaming experience liberated from the complexity of buttons and with greater physical immediacy. The Wii's inconsistent tech and subsequent sub-par imitations and implementation (even in Nintendo games, like the pointless waggle in DKCR and Galaxy) may have wasted that potential, but games like Red Steel 2 and the Tiger Woods games show it was not only viable in a traditional gaming context, but could enhance those experiences too. Even if we disagree on that, there's no question that pointer controls represent the greatest innovation of the previous generation. The GameCube could only offer the Wavebird, which was great and important but essentially a luxury, changing nothing about how the actual games played. On that score, the Wii's 'split' controller (one unit per hand) is hugely underrated.