slidewinder
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I hope they ditch the wiimote.
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report: Wii HD in 2011 with 'significant' graphical overhaul
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I'd be happy with whatever specifications, as long as Wii HD can, not only do 720p, 1080p resolutions without the sacrifices of the current HD consoles (i.e. poor framerates) but also provide actual graphical complexity & quality that's on par with, say, the 'Rebirth' demo by MixCore used to promote the GameCube, which is not too far beyond (if at all) what 360/PS3 can do.
or this (needs Radeon CrossFire'd 4870 or 4870X2 powa)
or this (needs Radeon CrossFire'd 4870 or 4870X2 powa)
I believe it. Nintendo themselves said they are going to make a HD version of the Wii. So why not? You can talk about fracturing the user base and all that shit but I think the damage would be minimal. Most of the Wii owners are casual and don't care about visuals. This would be an update for the core gamers.
Edit: Oh wait, they're billing this as the successor to the Wii. Obviously that wouldn't fracture the user base as there would be none at the time.
Edit2: Lets not forget the FCC regulations going into effect in 2009 regarding mandatory digital broadcasting. That's gotta effect their plans for there next system in some way don't you think (basically the majority of consumers are going to have HD sets by 2011).
Edit: Oh wait, they're billing this as the successor to the Wii. Obviously that wouldn't fracture the user base as there would be none at the time.
Edit2: Lets not forget the FCC regulations going into effect in 2009 regarding mandatory digital broadcasting. That's gotta effect their plans for there next system in some way don't you think (basically the majority of consumers are going to have HD sets by 2011).
Captain Chaos
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yeeeeah!!!
wondered what Nintendos development teams have been upto as there not that much on Wii at the mo
They are all working on HD iterations of our favourite franchises
Jaggies - You shall not pass
wondered what Nintendos development teams have been upto as there not that much on Wii at the mo
They are all working on HD iterations of our favourite franchises
Jaggies - You shall not pass
_Alkaline_
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slidewinder said:
No chance of that happening.
The public has spoken - motion controls will be a big part of gaming's future, not only for Nintendo.
Son.Ralph.Funk
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VOOK said:
So let me get this straight, they're arrogant because they don't care what anyone else does? Sorry, but that makes no sense. Why should Nintendo care what their "competitors" (and I use that term loosely) do? As long as they are successful and highly profitable, the competition should not matter.
So long as "emphasis on digital downloading and backwards compatibility" means "backwards compatibility for previous downloads" I'm happy.
The console makers need to start thinking about this now. I don't want to have to keep a Wii (or PS3/360 for people who have those) around just to play the games I downloaded onto it.
The console makers need to start thinking about this now. I don't want to have to keep a Wii (or PS3/360 for people who have those) around just to play the games I downloaded onto it.
Playstation: 1994, Playstation 2: 2000, Playstation 3: 2006Rapping Granny said:
Nintendo 64: 1996, Gamecube: 2001, Wii: 2006.
Xbox: 2001, Xbox 360: 2005
Console generations have been lasting 46 years recently, and six (2011) would be too long already in my opinion. Manufacturers designed the consoles around 720p, and yet 1080p is the standard for displays now.
The technology is already showing its age, developers are struggling to even have games running at good framerates in 720p. The games themselves have been, overall, very disappointing.
Scrap it all and start over, I'm ready for the next generation as soon as possible. Oh and for what it's worth, I'm not rich at all, I just know how to put money aside and plan ahead.
could be an interesting and long term winning strategy for Nintendo if they acutally pump some power into the wii this time round. (and I mean PS2-PS3 level jump)
They came into this generation with hardly any power increase, but the waggle won everyone over - or maybe increased the size of the addressable market. Meantime PS3 and X360 went for technology and floundered somewhat.
there have already been rumours that PS4 will 'do a wii' and be a PS3.5 with waggle. If X720 does the same, and Nintendo goes for a jump in power, then all three will be roughly on par, but with Nintendo comign in with by far the biggest momentum. Could really be unstoppable
They came into this generation with hardly any power increase, but the waggle won everyone over - or maybe increased the size of the addressable market. Meantime PS3 and X360 went for technology and floundered somewhat.
there have already been rumours that PS4 will 'do a wii' and be a PS3.5 with waggle. If X720 does the same, and Nintendo goes for a jump in power, then all three will be roughly on par, but with Nintendo comign in with by far the biggest momentum. Could really be unstoppable
2011, eh? Let's see...
2011 - traditional 5 year cycle = 2006
... Hmmm, would you look at that, when was the Wii released again? Correct, 2006.
I'm thinking he's taking the easy, oldfashioned way out. That's because I firmly believe that Nintendo will only introduce a successor one the current generation has been thoroughly sucked dry. I don't claim to know anything, but I somewhat doubt that Wii will be hurting in such a way that this would be necessary so soon. Not even if suddenly 100% of all SDTVs went up in flames.
Eh. Who knows, really. Nintendo will just come out from one day to the other and shock us and most 3rd parties with a new console to be released a few months later; we'll have a 50-page thread about it, because that's about all we can do.
So.... disbelieve. Kind of.
2011 - traditional 5 year cycle = 2006
... Hmmm, would you look at that, when was the Wii released again? Correct, 2006.
I'm thinking he's taking the easy, oldfashioned way out. That's because I firmly believe that Nintendo will only introduce a successor one the current generation has been thoroughly sucked dry. I don't claim to know anything, but I somewhat doubt that Wii will be hurting in such a way that this would be necessary so soon. Not even if suddenly 100% of all SDTVs went up in flames.
Eh. Who knows, really. Nintendo will just come out from one day to the other and shock us and most 3rd parties with a new console to be released a few months later; we'll have a 50-page thread about it, because that's about all we can do.
So.... disbelieve. Kind of.
Son.Ralph.Funk
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slidewinder said:
Brilliant idea! While they're at it, they should ditch analog sticks too. And forget about so many buttons. A d-pad and two buttons should suffice.
mrklaw said:
ditto. I cannot see the next xbox and playstation doing as big a jump again after what happened this gen and even if they invest just as much the difference probably won't be as perceivable. I am wary of any sort of 'momentum' though between generations. The status quo won't be maintained since it won't be a simple leveling up in tech across the board like with Nes->snes or PS1->PS2. It only really takes one move or mistake to change things again.
Iced_Eagle
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I think Pachter is just feeding people his predictions to make it look like he's right! :lol
Anyways, I think 2010 the Wii will really start to lose its steam, and that's why they have the WiiHD the next XMas to get everyone excited about the Wii again and for everyone to update their systems.
Seriously, Nintendo can probably make a system of PS3 technical prowess and still come up in the green this generation for all of the money they are getting on Wii's and DS'. :lol
Anyways, I think 2010 the Wii will really start to lose its steam, and that's why they have the WiiHD the next XMas to get everyone excited about the Wii again and for everyone to update their systems.
Seriously, Nintendo can probably make a system of PS3 technical prowess and still come up in the green this generation for all of the money they are getting on Wii's and DS'. :lol
super metroid
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I feel cheated and pissed off.
Mashing said:
I'd guess 2011 will be a perfect time for a mass market HD console. It is nearly unpossible to get a crt now and my wife has nearly broken our current CRT through flicking at high speed from channel to channel.
Extrapolating from that - using the average population of wifeys and their attention disorder - I believe that around 80% of existing CRTs will be broken by 2011 and will be replaced with 720p minimum LCDs.
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Vaandaviii
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GC -> Revolution was supposed to bring holographic gaming and VR helmets.
If Wii -> Wii2 is supposed to bring a "significant graphic overhaul" maybe we end up with an HDMI enabled Wii with an scaler :lol
If Wii -> Wii2 is supposed to bring a "significant graphic overhaul" maybe we end up with an HDMI enabled Wii with an scaler :lol
RadioHeadAche
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zoku88 said:
I know what you mean. Even talks of the PS4 are really starting to bother me since I still can't afford the third system.
matthewhadick said:
Yeah, let's halt the advancement of technology so every cheap asshole can get with the times. It's the only way to be fair. Hell, why stop at game consoles? Let's wait for every man, woman, and child on Earth to operate their own Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider before we start LHC collisions. It's only fair, right?
Although Nintendo's R&D spending has increased, it's probably still pretty small as far as the technology sector goes in proportion to their sales. I presume this includes game development costs, so it's not really a good idea to compare 2003 when the Gamecube was practically already on life support and GBA games could be cranked out relatively cheaply to 2007 where the Wii and the DS are both reigning supreme, have higher development costs and due to a division in the market (casual vs. core) require more software to adequately support.
That said, I'm sure Nintendo is working on something innovative for their next machine. Wii Sports 3 with a MotionPlus enabled remote and HD graphics isn't going to do it. Obviously they could get away with doing everything on the cheap before the Wii was a success, but next time they're going to have to deal with Sony and Microsoft having a similar focus. I don't think we'll see a real change in the interface, but it will definitely be refined and they'll innovate in other areas such as the online space (I wouldn't be surprised to see accessories like the pedometer they're working on with the ability to wirelessly sync combined with a cloud computing-esque server-side approach to software where it's appropriate, so your pedometer can log on to Wii Fit anywhere there's a Wii with the press of a button, to upload your progress) and of course, put out some head-scratchingly unique software again. HD graphics are a given, but I don't think they'll go far beyond the 360, if they go that far at all. They'll probably want to take advantage of all the engines and tools developed during this generation (and they might not be the only ones forgoing a big graphical leap this time around).
2011 sounds reasonable. Most of the target market will have moved to HD by then (if they haven't already) and the wheels will be beginning to fall off the Wii wagon.
That said, I'm sure Nintendo is working on something innovative for their next machine. Wii Sports 3 with a MotionPlus enabled remote and HD graphics isn't going to do it. Obviously they could get away with doing everything on the cheap before the Wii was a success, but next time they're going to have to deal with Sony and Microsoft having a similar focus. I don't think we'll see a real change in the interface, but it will definitely be refined and they'll innovate in other areas such as the online space (I wouldn't be surprised to see accessories like the pedometer they're working on with the ability to wirelessly sync combined with a cloud computing-esque server-side approach to software where it's appropriate, so your pedometer can log on to Wii Fit anywhere there's a Wii with the press of a button, to upload your progress) and of course, put out some head-scratchingly unique software again. HD graphics are a given, but I don't think they'll go far beyond the 360, if they go that far at all. They'll probably want to take advantage of all the engines and tools developed during this generation (and they might not be the only ones forgoing a big graphical leap this time around).
2011 sounds reasonable. Most of the target market will have moved to HD by then (if they haven't already) and the wheels will be beginning to fall off the Wii wagon.
I hope AMD / ATI can provide 4870X2 graphics on a single chip/die
(instead of on two seperate RV770 GPUs, as at present) @ 32nm with low power draw.
That would provide an incredibly huge leap from Flipper/Hollywood graphics and better than 360/PS3 graphics, even though that probably won't be as powerful as the GPUs that could potentially go into XB3 & PS4. The CPU could be a simple, single or duel-core derivative of IBM PowerPC whatever or POWER5 or POWER6, with good single threaded performance if developers including EAD don't want to mess with multicore programming.
1 GB of RAM, and 16-24 MB eDRAM.
main bus can be 128-bit especially if there's eDRAM, that would be an upgrade over the 64-bit bus in GameCube & Wii.
Obviously the controller will be some significant step forward beyond Wii Remote w/ MotionPlus. I don't expect anything like 3D holograms or V.R. with Wii HD,
that wouldn't happen until the NEXT-NEXT gen Nintendo in 2016-2019.
I think we're looking at an NES-to-SNES like transition, or like the article said,
GameBoy to-GameBoy Advance (same difference really).
Oh and slightly off-topic, I don't think the in-development Zelda for Wii should be shifted to Wii HD. I think Zelda Wii should come out as probably expected in 2009 or 2010.
Then, Wii HD launches with Mario Galaxy HD, and another new Zelda doesn't happen for a few years (2014 or so).
(instead of on two seperate RV770 GPUs, as at present) @ 32nm with low power draw.
That would provide an incredibly huge leap from Flipper/Hollywood graphics and better than 360/PS3 graphics, even though that probably won't be as powerful as the GPUs that could potentially go into XB3 & PS4. The CPU could be a simple, single or duel-core derivative of IBM PowerPC whatever or POWER5 or POWER6, with good single threaded performance if developers including EAD don't want to mess with multicore programming.
1 GB of RAM, and 16-24 MB eDRAM.
main bus can be 128-bit especially if there's eDRAM, that would be an upgrade over the 64-bit bus in GameCube & Wii.
Obviously the controller will be some significant step forward beyond Wii Remote w/ MotionPlus. I don't expect anything like 3D holograms or V.R. with Wii HD,
that wouldn't happen until the NEXT-NEXT gen Nintendo in 2016-2019.
I think we're looking at an NES-to-SNES like transition, or like the article said,
GameBoy to-GameBoy Advance (same difference really).
Oh and slightly off-topic, I don't think the in-development Zelda for Wii should be shifted to Wii HD. I think Zelda Wii should come out as probably expected in 2009 or 2010.
Then, Wii HD launches with Mario Galaxy HD, and another new Zelda doesn't happen for a few years (2014 or so).
This made me think about what I'll do with my stuff when this generation is over.
the old Xbox became XBMC, the PS2 is kept around for the odd bit of BC, but the Gamecube went into the garage.
I think this time around, the Wii and the 360 will end up in a box. The PS3 will still have a few uses, as long as that fan doesn't get too noisy.
the old Xbox became XBMC, the PS2 is kept around for the odd bit of BC, but the Gamecube went into the garage.
I think this time around, the Wii and the 360 will end up in a box. The PS3 will still have a few uses, as long as that fan doesn't get too noisy.
Revelations said:
Yet, there won't be any next generation systems coming out in 2009, and probably not in 2010 either.
2011 is the soonest and most likely year that next-gen starts. It seems Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are all targeting 2011 launches, and one or more of those is likely to slip to 2012.
super metroid
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camineet said:
I guess I may be getting ahead of myself.
I would much prefer a completely new console, not simply one that features graphical advancements that have been the standard since six years prior. This makes me feel cheated.
It's just the same old dead horse: the Wii should have launched with HD output. I don't want to have to by an HD version of a game I've already purchased, but I know the collector in me will. This pisses me off.
super metroid
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gofreak said:
you know it's going to be the same, sub-par bullshit.
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John Davison? Wasn't that the 1up guy?
What's with all this speculation anyway?
According to the Innovator's Dilemma and Nintendo's plan, they will probably not release another console for 7 or so years, maybe more. Especially if it's a sustaining improvement like this of mere horse power.
The speculation itself is probably coming off of Nintendo's history with their consoles besides the NES, which in itself already tells us how deep this "journalist" went to mark this down. If John Davison knew anything at all about today's Nintendo or their strategy he wouldn't even think of it, much less suggest it.
What's with all this speculation anyway?
According to the Innovator's Dilemma and Nintendo's plan, they will probably not release another console for 7 or so years, maybe more. Especially if it's a sustaining improvement like this of mere horse power.
The speculation itself is probably coming off of Nintendo's history with their consoles besides the NES, which in itself already tells us how deep this "journalist" went to mark this down. If John Davison knew anything at all about today's Nintendo or their strategy he wouldn't even think of it, much less suggest it.
gofreak said:
Considering this would mean less games all around, I'm gonna have to say no thanks.
Seriously, does anyone take into account the cost of these things? Just look at all the mergers, deaths, and acquisitions from the last six years. Significantly higher costs for less of a return in power than what people are used to for the next jump is simply reckless.
2010 makes more sense for Microsoft though if they want to be first out of the gate again. It's not like Xbox customers aren't used to/shouldn't have been expecting a shorter generation. (though five years is in line with what Nintendo have been doing so it's not exactly short)camineet said:
2011 is the absolute latest we should see the next systems from all three.
Yes, because we sure are seeing tons of high quality Wii titles due to it being less demanding to develop for.AniHawk said:
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