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[JoshuaJSlone]

Not likely. Not unless Nintendo goes from derivatives (Gekko & Broadway) of the PowerPC G3 CPU designed by IBM in the mid 1990s, customised by IBM for Nintendo in the late 1990s, and shrunk a few years ago with no real improvements, to something comparable to CELL.

It's not like with Wii they started out with the goal "Hey, let's do something outdated!" They wanted something cheap and had decided they weren't going to attempt to top X360/PS3, so tinkering with the GCN chips was a doable enough solution. Had they been forced to make something original in a similar price range, it should've been much more capable. Given that this time they can't get away with doing a little more tinkering, and that they probably don't have plans of trying for a $199 launch to begin with, the tech jump from Wii to the next system should be pretty large.

Still, that's not to say it will quite be up to PS4.

 

[camineet]

It's not like with Wii they started out with the goal "Hey, let's do something outdated!" They wanted something cheap and had decided they weren't going to attempt to top X360/PS3, so tinkering with the GCN chips was a doable enough solution. Had they been forced to make something original in a similar price range, it should've been much more capable. Given that this time they can't get away with doing a little more tinkering, and that they probably don't have plans of trying for a $199 launch to begin with, the tech jump from Wii to the next system should be pretty large.

Still, that's not to say it will quite be up to PS4.

Believe me, I hope you are right, I want you to be right. I very much want Nintendo's next system to be a HUGE leap from GCN & Wii.

At least as big as the leap from N64 to GCN.

 

[camineet]

I wonder if Nintendo would seriously give solid state a look for a 2011 console? We can all agree that would be the best media to use (will not break, extremely fast). Nintendo is all about efficiency and power consumption in their hardware designs. More than anything those two philosophies are going to drive what the Wii 2 turns out to be.

I agree.

I have been hoping for 3 years, since around the time 360 came out, that all NEXT-gen consoles meaning 3rd-gen Xbox, Revolution2 (now Wii HD) and PS4, would have both solid-state removable game media, instead of optical discs and solid-state mass storage, instead of harddrives.

Both the games and the consoles would then last much longer. no moving parts that break down, no discs to get ruined, and much MUCH faster speed in every area from bootup to streaming, etc.

 

[Neo C.]

Believe me, I hope you are right, I want you to be right. I very much want Nintendo's next system to be a HUGE leap from GCN & Wii.

At least as big as the leap from N64 to GCN.

For at least two years I've thought the main focus of all kind of technology development should be cost- and energy-efficiency. And I still think it should be the focus of all console producers too.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

For at least two years I've thought the main focus of all kind of technology development should be cost- and energy-efficiency. And I still think it should be the focus of all console producers too.

These are not incompatible goals. Starting from GCN/Wii to something new designed for 2011 or later gives plenty of working room for huge improvements without getting near the cost/energy use of X360/PS3.

 

[camineet]

These are not incompatible goals. Starting from GCN/Wii to something new designed for 2011 or later gives plenty of working room for huge improvements without getting near the cost/energy use of X360/PS3.

Yes. I think GCN was much lower cost to manufacture, and lower use of energy compared to PS2/Xbox1, yet, GCN was comparable in actual in-game performance.

Comparing PS2, GCN, Xbox1, each of these systems had several strengths, areas where one was better than the other two.

GCN strengths over PS2/Xbox1

-256K L2 cache on Gekko CPU
-lowest latency (thus fastest) RAM
-largest amount of room in embedded memory with compression for textures (Xbox had no eDRAM, while PS2's eDRAM while larger, lacked hardware compression so the space was in practice, smaller)
-most consistant, predictable amount of bandwidth (for main memory & embedded) according to developers, even though PS2 & Xbox had more raw bandwidth
-most amount of polys/s and pixels/s when lots & lots of rendering passes & loop-backs were used. PS2 & Xbox had higher poly counts when using less features/ passes.

It's been a long time since I compared the last-gen consoles, so someone correct me where i might be wrong, and/or, add to what I left out if I forgot something.

Of course PS2 had areas where it was stronger than GCN & Xbox,
and Xbox had areas where it was stronger than PS2 & GCN.

We did not have a situation, last-gen, where one console completely outshined the other two in every area. Much like 360 vs PS3 today.

 

[camineet]

GAMESPOT Rumor Control

Wii HD set for 2011 launch?


Source: Parent-oriented gaming site What They Play.

What we heard: Though Sony touts its consoles as having a 10-year life cycle, traditionally a new generation of machines is introduced every five or six years. With the launch of the Xbox 360 in 2005 and the PlayStation 3 and Wii a year later, it only seems logical that the next console wave should arrive sometime around 2011 or 2012.

Given that precedent, What They Play's prediction that Nintendo's next console will arrive "by 2011" isn't exactly earth-shattering. Nor is the site's citing of unnamed sources that the console will be a "true 'next generation'" machine with high-definition graphics and a built-in high-storage capacity to accommodate "greater emphasis on digitally distributed and backwardly compatible content."

The article correctly points out that Nintendo has downplayed the importance of the Wii's lack of hi-def and high-storage this generation, but the company has reversed itself before. While Nintendo similarly dismissed the role of online connectivity during the GameCube era, now the Wii's online capabilities are key to its business strategy. Besides offering online multiplayer, the company profits from digitally distributed WiiWare and Virtual Console releases, updates the console's firmware remotely, uses the console's blue light as a consumer alert, and provides news, weather, and Mii-sharing over the Internet. The Wii even has its own browser, courtesy of Opera Software, and the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection joins DSes worldwide.

More shocking perhaps is What They Play's report that Nintendo is already showing off a prototype of its next console. Unlike the leak-prone Microsoft, Nintendo is known for its secrecy--present rumors of a new DS excluded--and kept a tight lid on the Wii back when it was known as the Revolution. At E3 2005, the company merely had a nonfunctional mockup of the console itself, and didn't even tout its innovative controller until the Tokyo Game Show one year before the Wii's launch.

The official story: "Nintendo doesn't comment on rumors in general."--Nintendo rep.

Bogus or not bogus?: Not bogus. Normally, it's easy to dismiss a random story on a random blog. Not this time. The article's author is John Davidson, a veteran game journalist and former staffer at Ziff Davis Media, publisher of the respected magazine Electronic Gaming Monthly and proprietor of widely read game site 1up.

If anyone was to have access to those in the know, it'd likely be Davidson. However, not content to merely cite unnamed sources, he backs up by running down how Nintendo's massive research in development budget tripled in 2007, the year after the Wii launched. In 2007, the Kyoto-based company spent a staggering $370 million on R+D, over 10 times what it did in 2003. If that money's not going to a new console, then where is it going?

 

[camineet]

Xbitlabs

Nintendo’s “Wii HD” to Is Prepared for Launch by 2011

Nintendo Plans to Release Next-Gen Video Game System by 2011
[10/02/2008 01:21 PM]
by Anton Shilov

Nintendo reportedly intends to release the successor of Nintendo Wii by 2011. Features and capabilities of the next-gen video game system are unknown, but if the information regarding the launch in 2011 is correct, then Nintendo seems to have very high confidence in its Wii, the most successful current-generation video game console.

Citing “multiple sources in the game development and publishing community that Nintendo is currently showing early presentations” of its next-generation home video game console hardware, What They Play web-site claims that Nintendo plans to release its code-named Wii HD machine by 2011. According to the report, the successor of Wii is projected to feature considerably different hardware than the presently available console.

For many years now Nintendo has been concentrating on development of consoles with best possible user experience and has not been focusing on creating the most powerful hardware, unlike Microsoft Corp. and Sony Corp. With Wii HD, Nintendo plans to keep the same tactics.

Some analysts have already expressed their expectations about high-definition version of Wii game console. However, they expected it to arrive in 2009 or 2010 did not anticipated them to be truly revolutionary. But while right now Wii HD is rumoured to come to market by 2011, the console is projected to be substantially different from Wii.

Nintendo did not comment on the news-story.

Hopefully the new architecture will be as impressive in 2011 as GCN's IBM + ArtX architecture was in 2001

 

[Fourth Storm]

I don't see anyone of them going COMPLETELY Digital either. But the rumor/ report said "a greater emphasis" which could mean any number of things. (Wii/ GC VC and much larger sized WiiWare games + better DLC or w/e)


Again, this is refering to the rumor and it's assuming this rumor/ report is correct.

Don't exactly know much about Holographic Storage but Nintendo has teamed up with InPhase in some manner.
(Think my link is broken http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12197818&postcount=1 )

Because of the size of this reader they are working on from the patent some people seem to think it will be in the next hand-held. . . but ya never really know with nintendo.

They fond a way to make a cheap/ cost effective gyroscope device which will be the most cutting edge input device of the consoles this gen . . . wouldn't put Holographic Storage (in some form past) them myself. Nintendo is a tricky fox . . . that likes it's money.

Hmmm. If they are emphasizing DD and also thinking holographic, what if they used holographic storage in place of an HDD, and then allowed the user to either download games digitally, or buy them in the store on a dvd. For large games, the dvds could use compressed data, requiring an install (this would also help deter piracy to an extent).

They need a dvd drive to maintain BC, and I don't see them going blue ray or resurrecting HD-DVD. In all due respect, the latter is really out there.

 

[camineet]

I've heard of InPhase. If their Holographic Storage is solid-state (unlike the emerging Holographic Versatile Disc standard which is optical), I'm all for it. Edit: check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMoxb79FxQk I didn't realize Nintendo has a relationship with them. I'd imagine this, in some form, will be the drive and media for WiiHD.

Obviously no console next-gen will completely rely on DD, because not everyone uses the internet. Though DD can become more widely used, like high definition is now.

 

[camineet]

I've been wonder about the comments that Nintendo has supposedly actually been showing developers the new system. Could that be true? Could Wii HD be even presentable in some form and not merely just in development?

Sure it could.

The technology exists today to have a 'Wii HD' ready for consumer use, on shelves, so of course it would be even easier for it to exist in a larger, more expensive, not-consumer-ready form to be shown to developers, publishers etc.

It wouldn't take anything special from IBM & AMD / ATI to surpass Wii and be HD-capable. AMD could take 5-6 year old R300 (Radeon 9700) and be well beyond the Wii in visuals and also HD at the same time, that or the recent RV770 (Radeon 4870) or anything inbetween. Same with IBM, one of their 6-8 year old PowerPC or POWER CPUs could surpass the 1990s-era upgraded G3-based Broadway CPU. Put in some more RAM and you could have a machine anywhere from somewhat less powerful than 360/PS3, or roughly equal to them, or somewhere beyond the HD consoles and still not be using the most powerful currently-available consumer tech (4-core CPUs, GTX 280 SLI or CrossFire 4870X2, 4-6 GB RAM).

That doesn't mean the Wii HD that Nintendo might be showing developers is the same machine that Nintendo puts in stores in 2011 or 2012. Nintendo has, and will have a huge amount of technology options for a $199/$249/$299 price points. I'm sure they will only have one price, one SKU for Wii HD, im just not sure what price they'll launch at, probably $249 like Wii.

 

[wsippel]

I've heard of InPhase. If their Holographic Storage is solid-state (unlike the emerging Holographic Versatile Disc standard which is optical), I'm all for it. Edit: check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMoxb79FxQk I didn't realize Nintendo has a relationship with them. I'd imagine this, in some form, will be the drive and media for WiiHD.

Obviously no console next-gen will completely rely on DD, because not everyone uses the internet. Though DD can become more widely used, like high definition is now.

The InPhase thing is actually very interesting. Neither Nintendo nor InPhase ever announced a partnership, there's just that famous patent. What's even more interesting is that, shortly after the patent was filed, InPhase stopped updating their website. They don't attend to tradeshows anymore, they don't give any interviews, there were no more press releases, and their 300GB drive was delayed indefinitely. There have also been lay-offs, but the company is still alive and working on something. The first drive using InPhase technology is now supposed to enter production later this year, but it's unclear if this drive will be the Tapestry 300r from the promo video.

The company does what most companies do when they work exclusively for Nintendo or get bought by Nintendo. Just look at BroadOns website for example.

 

[Black-Wind]

^^^

Wow . . .thats freaky.

Anyway, the "digital distribution" thing popped in my head when I heard about all the stuff they are doing with the DSi. Infact, I wonder how long the DS life spand will be given the DSi starts blazing the charts again.

I always thought that Nintendo would try to connect the handheld and home console more at some point.

 

[Death_Born]

The InPhase thing is actually very interesting. Neither Nintendo nor InPhase ever announced a partnership, there's just that famous patent. What's even more interesting is that, shortly after the patent was filed, InPhase stopped updating their website. They don't attend to tradeshows anymore, they don't give any interviews, there were no more press releases, and their 300GB drive was delayed indefinitely. There have also been lay-offs, but the company is still alive and working on something. The first drive using InPhase technology is now supposed to enter production later this year, but it's unclear if this drive will be the Tapestry 300r from the promo video.

The company does what most companies do when they work exclusively for Nintendo or get bought by Nintendo. Just look at BroadOns website for example.

Oooh, creepy! They're doing top-secret hard drive work inside Nintendo's secret base miles below Japan.

 

[Oblivion]

Remember back when it was stated that MS and Nintendo spent about the same for R&D for their current consoles? Nintendo used that for shrinking down the GC hardware and for the controller mostly. So I wouldn't be too shocked if they didn't bother with an actual CPU/GPU/RAM improvement, and were just spending most of their new R&D monies for other areas. Course, that $370 million is quite a jump from last time (you could buy a whole RARE with that kinda scratch!), so I'm HOPING some of that is going to the CPU/GPU/RAM.

 

[antiloop]

I hope all consoles are almost equal in power next-gen.

 

[Calints Neos]

I hope all consoles are almost equal in power next-gen.

But Nintendo and HD sounds odd.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

Actually, this is consistent with the lack of news on EAD1-5 (without EAD2)+ EAD Tokyo + Retro + someone else.

Let suppose Wii HD will NOT out in 2011. Then these studios will come out with their games approx in the range of 2010-2011, right?

Just now consider that Wii HD is set for 2011. Isn't it logic to think that Nintendo is right now already letting some of their best studios making HD games for Wii HD launch?

EAD Tokyo + High definition = GAF melting down.

But Nintendo and HD sounds odd.

Actually, even DS Lite + camera + music player sounded odd before DSi was presented.

 

[[Nintex]]

Actually, this is consistent with the lack of news on EAD1-5 (without EAD2)+ EAD Tokyo + Retro + someone else.

Let suppose Wii HD will NOT out in 2011. Then these studios will come out with their games approx in the range of 2010-2011, right?

Just now consider that WIi HD is set for 2011. Isn't it logic to think that Nintendo is right now already let some of their best studios making HD games for Wii HD launch?

EAD Tokyo + High definition = GAF melting down.

Could be, but that would mean only one Zelda GameCube port for Wii and that just isn't right. My guess is that the top teams are currently working with Wii Motion Plus and that WiiHD will launch with games like Mario Kart HD.

Spoiler

F-Zero HD now Nintendo!

 

[camineet]

I sure Zelda Wii will just come out on Wii with MotionPlus. Wii hasn't really had its own Zelda yet, so no way will Zelda be for Wii HD.

The next Mario probably will get made for Wii HD launch in 2011. I think Wii HD will need a Mario game much more than Wii needing another one. I'd love SMG2 HD

 

[blu]

Spoiler

F-Zero HD now Nintendo!

oh c'ome on, not that 'nintendo going 3rd party' troll again.

Spoiler

kidding

 

[2 Minutes Turkish]

I'm shocked they just reported this in the Melbourne paper yesterday.

 

[Vilix]

It seems very similar to another Nintendo storage and play medium.

 

[ElFly]

Not likely. Not unless Nintendo goes from derivatives (Gekko & Broadway) of the PowerPC G3 CPU designed by IBM in the mid 1990s, customised by IBM for Nintendo in the late 1990s, and shrunk a few years ago with no real improvements, to something comparable to CELL.

GCN's Gekko: 1.9 GFLOPs
Wii's Broadway: 2.8 GFLOPs (since it's 50% faster than Gekko)
PS3's CELL: 218 GFLOPs
PS4's CELL Minimum of twice PS3 CELL

Nintendo would need a CPU 77x faster than Broadway to reach PS3 CELL, nevermind whatever is in PS4.

Apparently IBM doesn't have plans to keep making the PowerPC G3 family in smaller semiconductor sizes. So 90nm is the end of the road for this line of processors.

So, Nintendo will probably need quite an upgrade to get a chip in 2011, probably with 45nm or 32nm technology. Something Cell-like seems a good choice, given that the PPU of the Cell is also a Power PC chip.

 

[Twig]

Yes, because we sure are seeing tons of high quality Wii titles due to it being less demanding to develop for.

I own more games for Wii than for any other non-handheld system.

And after the recent press conference, I'm actually looking forward to more Wii games than for any other system. (Not counting XBLA/PSN. But those don't really apply because they have lower costs anyway.)

 

[Eteric Rice]

That drive is kind of huge...

Could they shrink that down in time for 2011?

Dunno about that.

 

[blu]

Not likely. Not unless Nintendo goes from derivatives (Gekko & Broadway) of the PowerPC G3 CPU designed by IBM in the mid 1990s, customised by IBM for Nintendo in the late 1990s, and shrunk a few years ago with no real improvements, to something comparable to CELL.

GCN's Gekko: 1.9 GFLOPs
Wii's Broadway: 2.8 GFLOPs (since it's 50% faster than Gekko)
PS3's CELL: 218 GFLOPs
PS4's CELL Minimum of twice PS3 CELL

Nintendo would need a CPU 77x faster than Broadway to reach PS3 CELL, nevermind whatever is in PS4.

that cpu flops comparison is rather apples-vs-apricots. one of them is a flops number practically reachable (and sustainable) by the average app, the other is a pie-in-the-sky number - how many ps3 titles throughout the lifespan of the console do you expect to reach half of that? and before somebody draws the wrong conculsions about my remark, i'm not dissing the ps3 here, i'm just commenting from a common 'tough parallelism utilization' POV.

/semantics police

and here's my take on the wiiHD architecture points:

* as nintendo will likely try to be BC, and yet advance in cpu power too, you can expect them, too, to take the parallelism road - expect a small amount of cores, mayb as few as two, power-efficient ppc's of the day, say, e700, which is expected to be multi-core to boot. it will likely not be binary compatibe with the broadway, but architecturally close enough for some light JIT techniques to get the job done.
* gpu-wise, most modern architectures could emulate the hollywood just fine, so nintendo may use whatever they like, either with a 'hw emulation' mode thrown in to present the new gpu as a hollywood-class part on the register (ie. hw) level, or not bother with that at all and make a software front-end presenting a virtual hollywood through use of traps/protected address space. you can expect AMD to supply those.
* media-wise, as much as i'm hopeful for that holographic solution we've all been hearing about, i don't expect it to be console-suitable by 2010, and ergo, in a machine to launch in 2011. instead, expect HDDVD which will be rather obscure by then, and thus, ideal for nintendo's purposes. blu ray is very unlikely here for political reasons, even more so if nintendo is really planning to adopt an alternative media (that same holo thingie) later on.

 

[Death_Born]

That drive is kind of huge...

Could they shrink that down in time for 2011?

Dunno about that.

Considering it holds a hard drive's worth of data on a cartridge, I don't really care if it's big or not.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Boy, I can't wait to see what Nintendo can do with HD.

 

[Haunted]

Boy, I can't wait to see what Nintendo can do with HD.

If you "can't wait" now, I wonder how you will survive the next 3 years.

 

[Oblivion]

Apparently IBM doesn't have plans to keep making the PowerPC G3 family in smaller semiconductor sizes. So 90nm is the end of the road for this line of processors.

So, Nintendo will probably need quite an upgrade to get a chip in 2011, probably with 45nm or 32nm technology. Something Cell-like seems a good choice, given that the PPU of the Cell is also a Power PC chip.

Does that necessarily mean that Nintendo will have no choice but to make a significant jump from Wii tech? I mean, they were still able to use old gameboy hardware for like over 10 years, right? Who says they can't get someone else to make slightly stronger Wii hardware?

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

I really want to see a Mario HD and a Mariokart HD!

 

[laserbeam]

That drive is kind of huge...

Could they shrink that down in time for 2011?

Dunno about that.

The patent That Nintendo shares with them for Holographic storage is for a "mini" version of the tech. So its very likely Nintendo has worked with them on making a size friendly drive

 

[camineet]

REGGIE DENIES WII HD FOR 2011

A few days ago numerous online outlets reported on how they were given a demonstration on a new Wii prototype set for 2011. Reggie says this isn't true.

Rumors have been going around for the past couple of days about a prototype Nintendo Wii known as Wii HD set for 2011. Many online outlets have claimed to have seen a demonstration from Nintendo themselves about it.

Reggie, president of Nintendo of America, however is finding it highly disappointing that these online outlets are making rumors and speculation falsified facts.

Is Reggie actually telling us the truth though because like we saw with the Nintendo DSi Nintendo did deny claims about that.

http://www.ds-x2.com/news/Reggie+Denies+Wii+HD+for+2011,11985,11985

Reggie Fils-Aime denies Wii HD rumor

by Nilay Patel, posted Oct 7th 2008 at 11:07AM

Reggie Fils-AimeNintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime sat down with VentureBeat on the heels of last week's DSi announcement, and while he didn't drop any major bombshells, he did put the kibosh on those Wii HD rumors, saying that they were "pure rumor and speculation" and that Nintendo wouldn't show off upcoming models to devs as the rumors claimed. Reggie also downplayed the talk that Nintendo is going head to head against Apple, saying that Ninty's always "viewed ourselves as competing in a larger entertainment space." That's the end of that for now, we suppose -- but Reggie didn't close the door on either rumor entirely, and his closing comment that Nintendo's good fortunes "makes us the most paranoid people in the world"certainly keeps possibilities open. Hit the read link for the full interview.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/07/reggie-fils-aime-denies-wii-hd-rumor/

VB: So by that logic, some people are guessing that the next Wii will show up in 2011. You’re in the lead. You have no reason to introduce a new machine. But maybe you’ll keep up the competitive pressure?

RF-A: It’s pure rumor and speculation. I find it disappointing that it’s being reported as fact by a number of online outlets.

VB: They’re saying you’ve shown a prototype to the industry and asked them what they think of it. Is that the way people would find out about your plans?

RF-A: It’s not the way they would find out.

http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/06/q...eggie-fils-aime-on-game-industry-competition/



Doesn't mean much. Reggie isn't 100% truthful anyway, pfft.

 

[Haunted]

Holographic storage totally sounds like Star Trek to me.

 

[camineet]

Holographic storage totally sounds like Star Trek to me.

Yeah but it's not quite really "Beam Me Up, Scotty" :lol

 

[CTLance]

Yeah but it's not quite really "Beam Me Up, Scotty" :lol

Wii HD to be used via voice commands. You heard it here first. "A keyboard? How quaint!"

 

[blu]

Wii HD to be used via voice commands. You heard it here first. "A keyboard? How quaint!"

'left. left! no, the other left!'

 

[freddy]

What They Play has heard from multiple sources in the game development and publishing community that Nintendo is currently showing early presentations of its next home console hardware.

Funny stuff. Nintendo showing something 3 years early. :lol

 

[camineet]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/pachter-absolutely-convinced-wii-hd-is-on-the-way

Pachter "absolutely convinced" Wii HD is on the way

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter has said that he's certain a high definition version of Nintendo's Wii home console will be released.

Nintendo needs to recapture the market for core gamers and overcome the image it's cultivated as a console for parents and children, said the analyst, speaking to AFP.

"Nintendo has to overcome that," said Pachter of the lack of hardcore titles in development for the Wii from third-party publishers.

"A Wii HD would really position Nintendo well, which is why I'm absolutely convinced there is a Wii HD coming.

"Businesswise, they can't have people saying that their machine is a toy for my mom," he added.

Last week, a report by respected journalist John Davison suggested that Wii HD was already being shown to developers and publishers, with Nintendo pencilling in a release for 2011.

According to the report, the Wii HD would be a true successor to the Wii, not just an upgrade, and feature high-definition visuals, more emphasis on digital distribution and a larger storage solution.

 

[freddy]

What I don't get is why so many people think that Nintendo has to copy the traits of the consoles languishing in second and third place. Last I saw they were doing quite well on both the software and hardware fronts and are already "positioned quite well".

They said three years ago their next console would most likely support higher definition resolutions but didn't feel at the time it was necessary. So what are all these buffoons telling anyone that they don't already know straight from the horses mouth?

"Businesswise, they can't have people saying that their machine is a toy for my mom," he added.

Like they give a fuck. They have called their machines toys for years and proudly.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Considering Davison's context is that Wii HD is just what they're calling their next generation machine, isn't a statement like Pachter's pretty meaningless? If the story were reworded to say that he's "absolutely certain Nintendo will eventually release a new console", well, duh.

 

[Black-Wind]

Pachter "absolutely convinced" Wii HD is on the way

Should we care?

 

[camineet]

It seems very similar to another Nintendo storage and play medium.

Hopefully that InPhase Tapestry drive is not 2008 tech but more like 2005-2006 tech, thus by 2010-2011 it can be alot smaller, and a possibility for Wii HD.

 

[News Bot]

"Analysts" are some of the biggest, most profound douchebags there are.

Get a real job.

Only time a "Wii HD" will get approvement from me is if they stop with the fucking shovelware and make the OMG MOTION CONTROZL completely optional.

 

[d[-_-]b]

Only time a "Wii HD" will get approvement from me is if they stop with the fucking shovelware and make the OMG MOTION CONTROZL completely optional.

So basically never cause Nintendo isn't creating the shovelware last i checked, and Motion Controls optional would be pointless seeing how it is code named "Wii HD".

 

[camineet]

Only time a "Wii HD" will get approvement from me is if they stop with the fucking shovelware and make the OMG MOTION CONTROZL completely optional.

There's no point to even the present Wii then, according to your line of thinking....

 

[Projectjustice]

Im gonna skip Wii this gen then.

 

[mentalfloss]

It's all about the he said she said bullshit

 

[obijkenobi]

Im gonna skip Wii this gen then.

You're going to skip the Wii because Nintendo is going to keep making consoles in the future? What?