The second one. They're victims of a B.O.W. mold-based parasitic infection, dubbed the "E-series." Its host carrier is a girl named Eveline who was brought into their household. Her sheltered upbringing and being treated like a lab rat have caused her to have a strong desire for the family she never had. The E-series has coercive properties, so she utilizes her abilities to infect and control the Bakers into being her "family."
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The second one. They're victims of a B.O.W. mold-based parasitic infection, dubbed the "E-series." Its host carrier is a girl named Eveline who was brought into their household. Her sheltered upbringing and being treated like a lab rat have caused her to have a strong desire for the family she never had. The E-series has coercive properties, so she utilizes her abilities to infect and control the Bakers into being her "family."
Pretty much my thoughts, too. I'm not expecting my theory to be right, but all the elements are there. If it gets disproven with something lackluster, I may just have to shut my eyes and pretend that my version is canon. ;-)
Jawmuncher
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With how the final boss was so similar to Carla. I'll be surprised if there isn't some C Virus im there
True. And it's also worth nothing that the upcoming CG film, Biohazard: Vendetta, starring Chris and Leon, uses the old RE5 face model as well. It would be strange to use a completely different model for RE7. But of course not impossible.
Meanwhile, if it's HUNK at the end, his youthful appearance makes sense. As a modified super-soldier, a la Wesker, he obviously wouldn't age like a normal human.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Must have missed the embryo part. I know the little girl appearance was specified by the engineers for espionage purposes, but I still thought it was still contrived just so they could have a creepy girl. My impression is that it's supposed to be seen as virus that gained sentience somehow.
Neither of these interpretations is correct. Eveline doesn't actually look like a little girl anymore -- she isn't frozen in that state. The E-series infection altered her aging process so that she actually grew old rapidly. Her true form in 2017 is a wheelchair-bound old woman. It's Eveline herself that maintains the illusion of a little girl's appearance because that's how she perceives herself. We don't know exactly how old she is because we don't know when they injected her embryo, we just know when they dubbed Eveline a successful test subject -- 2014.
Astral Dog
Member
Evelyn fungus looks too much like the Ouroboros,Black goo with orange weakspots maybe there is a connection
Dusktildawn48
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Trying to do the speedrun. Anyone have a guess how much time I should be at right before the final jack fight?
Roni
Member
It's clear her cells started to break down around September 2016, that's when the person in the laboratory reports to the company her hair has been growing grey and her skin wrinkly. She is an old woman by the time the game happens.
But at the same time, we know she still looked like a girl in 2014, there's a picture of her dated May 2nd, 2014 in a drawer next to the master bedroom in the Main Hall. And there's her appearance in the ship's tape. And the Baker family account that they found a woman and a girl by the wreckage.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
Yeah, thought it looked like a cross between the Revelations monster and Uroboros. Was hoping the crash landed ship would be one of the Queen _____ ships from Revelations to tie it in a bit more.
Roni
Member
Eveline looks like a cross between Ouroboros and Revelations 2 technology, while the molded look like Revelations' Ooze.
mercenar1e
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why did Umbrella wait 3 years to contain the situation? did Lucas call them or were they tracking Ethan? who was the guy Ethan talked to in the beginning?
Field data to see what happened maybe?
¡HarlequinPanic!
Member
My guess is they were monitoring her, she was the first of the E series and valuable. The orders Mia and Alan had on the ship was to dispose of her if she got out of control, but after the ship's destruction she was found by the Bakers and more or less became docile, with only few kills, not near enough for a full on outbreak. It wasn't until she deteriorated and lashed out looking for more kills that the situation gets out of hand and prompts umbrella....
to send an unwilling Ethan, they sent the email to him!!!!!! 
Though I wonder if they were keeping an eye on her, why weren't they just covertly slipping her the medicine she needed. Maybe Lucas, who really is deranged, kept it from her out of spite if they were!
Triscuitable
Member
The H.C.F., Wesker's task force, were involved to some degree in her creation. That's all we know. The Bakers had nothing to do with it; they were victims.
That radio conversation in that cabin in a bit weird. You hear them saying that they have to shoot to kill Evelyn when you go through all the trouble of getting the head and the arm from the Bakers. The E-Neurotoxin doesn't even kill her outright since she turns into a big monster afterwards. The only thing that really worked was the rounds in the Albert.
That makes Lucas working with Umbrella more likely since they "cured" him two years earlier so them having firearms that counter Evelyn make sense.
That makes Lucas working with Umbrella more likely since they "cured" him two years earlier so them having firearms that counter Evelyn make sense.
i legit thought the ship was the queen zenobia for a second because the layout felt familiar and you're fighting ooze monsters. and the fact that the director of revelations 1 was the director of this one.
Pure speculation, but I see the final, massive mutation of Eveline as nothing more than "death throes." She would have died shortly after attacking Ethan. The only thing the gun did was basically shoot a dying deer on the side of the road in the head in order to save Ethan. I figure "Redfield" wanted Ethan to survive for numerous reasons, so giving him the gun to put Eveline away quicker and save himself made sense, but wasn't 100% necessary... she was dying regardless.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
I know that she is an old lady because of rapid age acceleration. That doesn't change the fact that the game still employs the creepy girl trope.
One thing I don't get about the story.
How did Mia end up with the Baker family after the ship crashed? We saw her drowning and then she's suddenly imprisoned with the family. I imagine she was probably brought over by Eveline's powers or something, but that seems kinda flimsy. Is this explained?
How did Mia end up with the Baker family after the ship crashed? We saw her drowning and then she's suddenly imprisoned with the family. I imagine she was probably brought over by Eveline's powers or something, but that seems kinda flimsy. Is this explained?
Triscuitable
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The Albert-01 is Wesker or Chris' Samurai Edge (probably Wesker's, considering the underbarrel LAM), modified to kill BOWs. So it's probably a bit more like killing a lion that knows it's going to die, but can still put up one last good fight.
She was already infected by then. We saw other infectees get blown up, sawed vertically from the head down, immolated, and shot in the head, and they just got back up after a while. I think drowning is pretty simple to recover from compared to losing your entire upper torso.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
Not like a flashback of them meeting the Bakers but some of the files hint that Mia and Eve went to the Bakers together. So Eve probably had Mia under her control after she fell into the water. One of the files near the end also touches on why Mia was locked up.
Im sure i'm missing something, but are we to believe that Evelyn was created in the lab/mine next to the baker's house, taken on to the boat, only for it to crash right back at the same lab she was taken from, and then she goes next door to the Baker's?
ISee
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After Jack rescued Eveline she probably ordered Mia to the house while slowly taking control over the family.
orichalcos
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Agreed, it's HUNK. See the comparison photo here:
He has HUNK's four known signatures: wears a gas mask, rides in an Umbrella chopper, engages in Umbrella's B.O.W. disposal and clean-up, and has light-colored hair and stubble. Another thing worth noting is that HUNK appeared in the Raid mode of RE: Revelations, and as one of three starting characters in RE: Mercenaries 3D, both games directed by Koshi Nakanishi, who also directed Resident Evil 7.
It also explains why the DLC starring "Redfield" is titled, "Not A Hero." Because in all likelihood he's not Chris Redfield, he's HUNK, Umbrella's wetworks man. Of course, I'm not counting out the possibility that HUNK is a Redfield -- an unknown sibling, a cousin, a clone.
HUNK is presumably using Redfield's name and international reputation with anti-B.O.W. forces to lull Ethan into a false sense of security. We know that Ethan has weapons, engineering, and biochemistry training, based on his gun proficiency and ability to manufacture meds and ballistic ordnance. And we know that he mistrusts B.O.W. research because Mia had to lie to him about taking a B.O.W.-related gig. Yet he was still okay with her taking a gig that involved extended travel by ship, "babysitting" a mysterious VIP -- not a normal job by any means.
All signs point to Ethan Winters being "Ethan W. - Deceased" -- a Level 9 Umbrella scientist who was supposed to have been killed by Wesker during the Spencer purge, but who may have faked his death. This would explain both his lack of concern over B.O.W. monstrostities, and his fixation on Mia explaining her lies to him, rather than providing an explanation of what the crap is actually happening on this crazy plantation. It's why he says, "Took you long enough," when Umbrella shows up at the end.
It explains too why the Umbrella operatives talking on the radio seem to know exactly who Ethan is, and the risks he poses. Some players have proposed they're talking about Lucas, but if so, why not the same "shoot on sight" order as Eveline? Another user pointed out that Lucas may be a company collaborator, but it doesn't explain the deliberately ambiguous references to "him," rather than calling Lucas Baker out by name. They also say this person has been in touch with "you know who." Is this referring to Lucas being in touch with a rival B.O.W. company? Or does it relate to Ethan's phone call at the beginning of the game, perhaps to an Umbrella higher-up who prefers to go unnamed? It might be intentional that you can interpret it either way.
We can infer, too, that Ethan's previous experience and/or exposure to B.O.W. research could be the reason that he alone can resist Eveline's mental coercion. He's clearly infected by the E-series, yet neither he, "Redfield," or Mia seem concerned. Even Eveline seems to recognize this -- she instructed Mia to kill Ethan outright during their initial encounter in the guest house, and later went so far as to imprison him in a molded near-death state, where his mind remained lucid and safe, talking to the Bakers, even though Eveline claimed to Mia that he was dead. Maybe Eveline even thought he was. But ultimately, Ethan was able to escape the mold, which as we saw, turned members of the ship's crew into Molded B.O.W.s rather quickly. Then, he was also able to brush off Eveline's hallucinations and inject her quite easily with the Necrotoxin-E. She could neither kill, nor control him with her E-series infection. This may just be how Ethan's body reacts to it, with no connection to his past, but it's an interesting idea.
Regardless, the ending takes on a whole new meaning. Umbrella has been reformed, under new leadership, and they're bringing two former assets back into the fold. My personal theory is that Mia was an Umbrella freelancer or former employee. I also believe Umbrella is likely where they met, which explains their mutual familiarity with B.O.W.s. This is also why a B.O.W. company would contact her to work on a freelance basis transporting the E-series host.
When Umbrella started up again without Spencer and Wesker -- presumably sometime after the obliteration of Neo Umbrella in 2012, and before the completion of the E-series in 2014 -- Mia decided she could take the risk. She lied to Ethan, who still refused to trust Umbrella and presumably B.O.W. research in general, and went to work another B.O.W. mission. I'm still not clear whether it was Umbrella or a rival company that developed the E-series, but it's clearly at Umbrella that Ethan has a connection, as evinced by his dialogue and reactions. He and Mia don't even question why they would show up, despite the Umbrella name being connected with scandal and disgrace.
And now, the two of them are wrapped up in Umbrella's clutches once again. That's how I see it, at least. I believe Ethan was probably desperate enough to reach out to his old employer for backup, now that the guys at the top who wanted him dead are six feet under. Sure adds context to that, "Took you long enough" at the end, right?
Wow... Ok, i am waiting the first DLC.
ArkkAngel007
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What does Ethan's wristband say when accessing Marguerite's altar? Target Found?
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Target acquired. It seems like all the biochemical commandos and agents where them. Considering Mia wears one in the flashback and Chris calls you specifically through that watch.
Richard Pearsey only worked on the DLCs for F.E.A.R. afaik, and he only worked as a consultant (in RE7's credits) for the story as well as polishing up the localized script. I'd say it's more likely that Capcom sought Pearsey because of their own "ghost girl."
I did not know that, explains a lot.
Stealth_Cobra
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Yeah, there's alot of missed opporunities in terms of story. The codex watch to me was a great plot device, and when I saw the "Target Acquired" message, I immediately assumed Zoe was probably ADA wong or another operative using Ethan to secure a sample of the virus. I mean, she definitevely uses that thing to track Ethan's position and call him when he accomplishes stuff. t also seemed like a device that would monitor and record Ethan's bio functions, furthering my theory that Ethan was infected, then fitted with the device to record how the virus would react and adapt inside his body. I guess this could still be true, with Lucas apparently perhaps working with new umbrella and all that... But the codex doesn't really go anywhere... Heck, Ethan doesn't even seem to care about it , never touching it's buttons or interacting with it besides watching at his ECG info.
Likewise, when you finally get to meet Zoe, and you choose her instead of Mia, you expect a big payoff, like hearing Zoe's backstory. I was sure the alternate ending would explain that Zoe was actually a reasercher on the virus, with a lab hidden in the baker mansion... Which would explain why the other family members seem to hate her and how she hasn't devolved into a monstrosity like the others. I was expecting to learn more about the codex, heck, I was expecting her to be the antagonist all along, using you to get samples , one to cure herself, the other to smuggle the virus out of the compound. But in the current game, she's just phone support to move the plot forward and give you objectives.
The engineering background of Lucas could also have played a role in the reaserch lab theory, with both siblings working on a top secret project and causing the infection to spread to the plantation. In the end, he's just a sadist who was probably contacted by umbrella to play the double agent and study the virus from inside the compound. You don't get a boss fight with him, and what exactly was his big plan ? Why did he capture Mia and Zoe, tie them up in the boathouse ? Did he stage all that just so Ethan would have a confrontation with papa baker ? Doesn't make much sense. Likewise, why does he flee in the mine again ? Why are the umbrella task force helicopter searching for him ? Buy our DLC, maybe we'll have awnsers.
The mummified fetuses were also awesome plot devices that could have been used for so much more. That feeling when I first glanced at the baby in the altar... To me it made alot of sense... As if the family had stumbled into some creepy, infectious relic, possibly conserved and mummified by the salt in the salt mine, and basically started worshipping the thing, unknowingly being corrupted by it over time... In the end though, they are just old relics of failed experiments that you can use as ingredients for serums. Also, what's with the creepy girl in the secret room behind the child's room. Assuming she's a D prototype, why is she doing at the baker plantation , and why would the bakers have a kid's room with a hidden room filled with the fetus of old BOW weapon models ? It would have been a much cooler twist to learn that the bakers had a little daughter, and that she was basically walled under her room by evelyn, who then usurped her place in the family... But alas, she's a D model for some reason...
But alas, it had to devolve into the typical "corporation creating generic japanease ghost girl with long black hair that has psychic powers" trope... Which imho clashes with what the rest of the game manages to accomplish. I mean , the plantation was the perfect setting , the family were great antagonists, there were more than enough elements to create a more mysterious explaination. I just don't buy into the "transporting a psychic fungus little girl B.O.W on a ship" explaination... It doesn't explain why the baker mansion looks like a typical spencer mansion filled with elaborate traps, secret passage, creepy morgues and other things that only make sense in a reaserch lab perspective.
Also , the timeline is a mess. The baker house looks like it's been decaying for decades, yet Mia has dissapeared like three years ago. We're supposed to believe in the three years between the dissapearance of Mia, Evelyn has managed to take control of the bakers, make them turn the house into a barb-wired ruin filled with elaborate shadow puzzles and secret passages, then slowly kidnap people to turn them into molded or into new family members.... I don't buy it. The structural decay of the house hints at it being neglected for decades.... Which only makes sense if you're talking about a group of insane lunatics living in an backwater woods kidnapping people for years.
Also think they missed a great opportunity to play with the occult theme... Especially considering beginning hour had ghosts sightings, ghost laughs, otherwordly messages and lingering traces of deaths around the house. All these occult elements were pretty much thrown away in the final game, which imho made the baker house just a location inhabited by creepy folks, instead of a haunted house defying logic. It's like they tried to pretend they were P.T / Silent Hills for the demo, but went full classic RE with the retail game.
In the end though, I can't help but feel they had alot of idea on where they wanted to go with this game, yet they were pressured into going with a more classical "bio weapon" motif so the fanbase felt it was "resident evil"... But to me it feels as if I was watching the texas chainsaw massacre , only to have it end with a half assed , incomplete explaination on how the government was involved and they were making the family into dangerous beings using microwave ovens... To me that would spoil the whole move, and that's the vibe I'm getting from the storytelling choices in the last sections of resident evil.
Likewise, when you finally get to meet Zoe, and you choose her instead of Mia, you expect a big payoff, like hearing Zoe's backstory. I was sure the alternate ending would explain that Zoe was actually a reasercher on the virus, with a lab hidden in the baker mansion... Which would explain why the other family members seem to hate her and how she hasn't devolved into a monstrosity like the others. I was expecting to learn more about the codex, heck, I was expecting her to be the antagonist all along, using you to get samples , one to cure herself, the other to smuggle the virus out of the compound. But in the current game, she's just phone support to move the plot forward and give you objectives.
The engineering background of Lucas could also have played a role in the reaserch lab theory, with both siblings working on a top secret project and causing the infection to spread to the plantation. In the end, he's just a sadist who was probably contacted by umbrella to play the double agent and study the virus from inside the compound. You don't get a boss fight with him, and what exactly was his big plan ? Why did he capture Mia and Zoe, tie them up in the boathouse ? Did he stage all that just so Ethan would have a confrontation with papa baker ? Doesn't make much sense. Likewise, why does he flee in the mine again ? Why are the umbrella task force helicopter searching for him ? Buy our DLC, maybe we'll have awnsers.
The mummified fetuses were also awesome plot devices that could have been used for so much more. That feeling when I first glanced at the baby in the altar... To me it made alot of sense... As if the family had stumbled into some creepy, infectious relic, possibly conserved and mummified by the salt in the salt mine, and basically started worshipping the thing, unknowingly being corrupted by it over time... In the end though, they are just old relics of failed experiments that you can use as ingredients for serums. Also, what's with the creepy girl in the secret room behind the child's room. Assuming she's a D prototype, why is she doing at the baker plantation , and why would the bakers have a kid's room with a hidden room filled with the fetus of old BOW weapon models ? It would have been a much cooler twist to learn that the bakers had a little daughter, and that she was basically walled under her room by evelyn, who then usurped her place in the family... But alas, she's a D model for some reason...
But alas, it had to devolve into the typical "corporation creating generic japanease ghost girl with long black hair that has psychic powers" trope... Which imho clashes with what the rest of the game manages to accomplish. I mean , the plantation was the perfect setting , the family were great antagonists, there were more than enough elements to create a more mysterious explaination. I just don't buy into the "transporting a psychic fungus little girl B.O.W on a ship" explaination... It doesn't explain why the baker mansion looks like a typical spencer mansion filled with elaborate traps, secret passage, creepy morgues and other things that only make sense in a reaserch lab perspective.
Also , the timeline is a mess. The baker house looks like it's been decaying for decades, yet Mia has dissapeared like three years ago. We're supposed to believe in the three years between the dissapearance of Mia, Evelyn has managed to take control of the bakers, make them turn the house into a barb-wired ruin filled with elaborate shadow puzzles and secret passages, then slowly kidnap people to turn them into molded or into new family members.... I don't buy it. The structural decay of the house hints at it being neglected for decades.... Which only makes sense if you're talking about a group of insane lunatics living in an backwater woods kidnapping people for years.
Also think they missed a great opportunity to play with the occult theme... Especially considering beginning hour had ghosts sightings, ghost laughs, otherwordly messages and lingering traces of deaths around the house. All these occult elements were pretty much thrown away in the final game, which imho made the baker house just a location inhabited by creepy folks, instead of a haunted house defying logic. It's like they tried to pretend they were P.T / Silent Hills for the demo, but went full classic RE with the retail game.
In the end though, I can't help but feel they had alot of idea on where they wanted to go with this game, yet they were pressured into going with a more classical "bio weapon" motif so the fanbase felt it was "resident evil"... But to me it feels as if I was watching the texas chainsaw massacre , only to have it end with a half assed , incomplete explaination on how the government was involved and they were making the family into dangerous beings using microwave ovens... To me that would spoil the whole move, and that's the vibe I'm getting from the storytelling choices in the last sections of resident evil.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Try playing the Silent Hill series. SH2 in particular for narrative focus (even though as a game I personally prefer SH3).
There's some others I could point you too, but RE has always been more about B-Horror fun while Silent Hill more about a psychological horror.
Planisphaerium
Member
silent hill 2 has a tragic story that stuck with me for a while. the game is absolutely brilliant.
to this day silent hill 2 and 3 are the most terrifying games ive ever played
to this day silent hill 2 and 3 are the most terrifying games ive ever played
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
They can be emulated on any half decent PC or laptop with integrated graphics. Emulated is also probably one of the best ways to play SH2 and 3. The 360/PS3 'remaster' was pretty bad.
Silent Hill 3 did nothing for me, i almost hated it, on the contrary Silent Hill 2 is one of greatest game ever made, it's one of a kind
Never been able to explain why i think so different of 3
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Every entry in the Silent Hill series is more different to each other than many people state, I think. While I love all the games to different levels, it's understandable why one might love one but not another, especially if one doesn't fill what they're specifically looking for.
For the Team Silent games:
Silent Hill 1 is kind of the darkest and most atmospheric one. It's got the greatest sense of mystery,and I think the game where the 'rust' theme is most apparent. I think out of the series entries it is the greatest mood piece. I think it comes off as the most straight forward horror-esque because it is best at inflicting the feeling of fear of the unknown. Most straight-forward story (though different story telling standards in the PS1 era of course). I also feel its limitations helped make it feel more claustrophobic.
Silent Hill 2 has a 'cold' feeling that omits from it. I always think SH2 is the game in the series that most embraces the sort of theme of 'fog' the series has (weird way to word that, I know). It's a lot quieter than the other entries in the series and the Otherworld even barely appears in it, it mostly tells a subtle quiet tale that is focused around its characters and the town of Silent Hill is forged more as a character itself.
Silent Hill 3 is the 'fleshiest' of the titles, it has increased threats and more survival-horror focus. It has quirky characters, quirky scenes, but has maybe some of the best aesthetics in the series. Personally for me it also has my favorite characters. But the story goes more in a direction about cults and revenge than anything subtle, but there's great attention to detail and maybe some of the best scares in the franchise. I kind of view it as the most "intense" Silent Hill game.
Silent Hill 4 I think is the game in the series that most follows the logic of a nightmare. Dreams are a strong theme and the environments feel the strangest and most unnatural in the title. It has the oddest (but possibly most interesting) story in the series, and the gameplay is kind of purposely made worse to fit a bigger thematic about a shut-in who literally gets trapped in his apartment, voyeurism, and souls trapped in a space between worlds. I personally find this entry the scariest due to its weird nightmarish logic.
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I also have similar thoughts of how the titles after Team Silent in the series differs, but I think one thing often understated about the SH series is just how different all the games are, even the four Team Silent made ones.
just finished it, some thoughts, some question, here we go.
I loved it, and it sure goes full blown RE crazy tentacle monster near the end, basically once Jack's final form shows up.I only did the Mia ending so im not sure what happens when you choose Zoe so, Mia was definately an employee of the bio company that created Eveline, she was her caretaker and they were transponting her somewhere when Evie goes nuts, shipwrecks them in lousiana, and runs off into the swamps where the Bakers, presumably papa Jack finds her (and Mia I guess), and she infects him and the rest of the family.
I assume Mia wasnt actually related to the Bakers, and they just called her daughter and she called Jack daddy and shit because since they were all infected by Eveline, and Eveline has a whole family complex, she made them think she was part of the family right? Theres no reason to assume Mia was actually related to the Bakers.
I just dont know where Zoe fits in, was SHE actually a Baker? What happens when you choose her, surely the game changes a lot? Was she also on the boat? I assume so because, just mechanically, they wouldnt waste a whole level on just 1 character.
Mia probably just told Ethan she was a marine biologist or something to justify her trips, since she says in her little video she had been lying to him.
I actually didnt see Evie=Granma coming and I should have, and I loved it. Oh speaking of, since Ethan could see girl Eveline, he was clearly infected (she she was just an hallucintion created by the virus) which would explain the reattached limbs.
Oh and hi Chris
Did Umbrella have a face turn at the end of 6 or something? Are they good guys now?
edit: oh and wht happened to Lucas? I guess he ran away, and I assume he was the one sending those emails about Eveline that we find near the end of the game. So he's working with ny-umbrella then?
I loved it, and it sure goes full blown RE crazy tentacle monster near the end, basically once Jack's final form shows up.I only did the Mia ending so im not sure what happens when you choose Zoe so, Mia was definately an employee of the bio company that created Eveline, she was her caretaker and they were transponting her somewhere when Evie goes nuts, shipwrecks them in lousiana, and runs off into the swamps where the Bakers, presumably papa Jack finds her (and Mia I guess), and she infects him and the rest of the family.
I assume Mia wasnt actually related to the Bakers, and they just called her daughter and she called Jack daddy and shit because since they were all infected by Eveline, and Eveline has a whole family complex, she made them think she was part of the family right? Theres no reason to assume Mia was actually related to the Bakers.
I just dont know where Zoe fits in, was SHE actually a Baker? What happens when you choose her, surely the game changes a lot? Was she also on the boat? I assume so because, just mechanically, they wouldnt waste a whole level on just 1 character.
Mia probably just told Ethan she was a marine biologist or something to justify her trips, since she says in her little video she had been lying to him.
I actually didnt see Evie=Granma coming and I should have, and I loved it. Oh speaking of, since Ethan could see girl Eveline, he was clearly infected (she she was just an hallucintion created by the virus) which would explain the reattached limbs.
Oh and hi Chris
Did Umbrella have a face turn at the end of 6 or something? Are they good guys now?edit: oh and wht happened to Lucas? I guess he ran away, and I assume he was the one sending those emails about Eveline that we find near the end of the game. So he's working with ny-umbrella then?
I may just have not being paying attention, but who puts the watch on Ethan's wrist in the first place? I don't recall it being there when you first arrive on the plantation?
If Ethan was infected before waking up at the family dinner, why would he ever see Eveline as an old woman? Why would he never question her (Eveline in her true form) miraculous appearance all over the plantation at incredibly odd times?
Another question, if Eveline wanted Ethan at the plantation so bad in order to help convince Mia to be her willing mother (assuming Eveline influcened Mia to send Ethan the message), why have literally everything there actively try to kill him? She controls the molded and the Backers (excluding Lucas).
Lastly, why was Ethan bloody in the intro when viewing Mia's message? I could just be remembering wrongly though.
If Ethan was infected before waking up at the family dinner, why would he ever see Eveline as an old woman? Why would he never question her (Eveline in her true form) miraculous appearance all over the plantation at incredibly odd times?
Another question, if Eveline wanted Ethan at the plantation so bad in order to help convince Mia to be her willing mother (assuming Eveline influcened Mia to send Ethan the message), why have literally everything there actively try to kill him? She controls the molded and the Backers (excluding Lucas).
Lastly, why was Ethan bloody in the intro when viewing Mia's message? I could just be remembering wrongly though.
Stealth_Cobra
Member
They can be emulated, and the PC ports of the games were actually great for the most part.... You can run both SH2 and SH3 at near hd levels of graphics on a modern pc.
What are the ethan theories? i always thought something was up with him with how he didn't really care about immediately chopping up mia or when he didn't tell her that evie was there with her in the room
Yeah I have seen the gifs of SH2 and 3 on PC and they look fantastic. messed with it a couple times and had some issues with the config?
didn't realize the emulation was pretty easy with them though, might give that a whirl
Yeah I have seen the gifs of SH2 and 3 on PC and they look fantastic. messed with it a couple times and had some issues with the config?
didn't realize the emulation was pretty easy with them though, might give that a whirl
what do you mean why would he see Eveline as an old woman? thats her real form, the girl is a hallucintion. That he SEES the girl during the game is the proof that hes infected.
SuperStiltzkin
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Zoe is a Baker. She immediately gets killed by Evie upon reaching the shipwreck and you still play as Mia who was transported to the ship or got compelled to go there.
what a waste of a serum then lol.
Well, I could be assuming incorrectly, but I thought that Eveline projects herself as a young girl to the people she infects so they literally can't see her as anything else. This would explain to me why Ethan didn't see her as the old woman when he first injected her at the end of the game.
This helps me to rationalize that he Bakers were seeing Eveline as a young girl at the family dinner. I believe only Lucas mentions the old woman and Eveline the young girl as separate entities (in the video before entering his trial). This would also make sense because he (Lucas) is free of her control.
Stealth_Cobra
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"Lastly, why was Ethan bloody in the intro when viewing Mia's message? I could just be remembering wrongly though."
Actually, that's mia's hands you see in the prologue, which explain why they are bloody... That said, it's still a plothole. When you actually play Mia in that part of the game and record that message, there's a very loud boat alarm going on in the background, which was not present during the intro.
Actually, that's mia's hands you see in the prologue, which explain why they are bloody... That said, it's still a plothole. When you actually play Mia in that part of the game and record that message, there's a very loud boat alarm going on in the background, which was not present during the intro.