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[Alienous]

So I think I get the story, but one part is confusing me.

Mia and Eveline survive the wreckage. Lucas notices the washed up ship so he and Jack go and rescue the two, providing a home for them.

Do they explain why Mia doesn't warn Jack and Lucas immediately about Evelie? Like, is Eveline capable of subtle mind control in addition to making people turn violent - does she stop Mia from doing telling? Otherwise I don't understand why Mia wouldn't have said to the Bakers "hey, uh, fucking run".

 

[Anung]

So I think I get the story, but one part is confusing me.

Mia and Eveline survive the wreckage. Lucas notices the washed up ship so he and Jack go and rescue the two, providing a home for them.

Do they explain why Mia doesn't warn Jack and Lucas immediately about Evelie? Like, is Eveline capable of subtle mind control in addition to making people turn violent - does she stop Mia from doing telling? Otherwise I don't understand why Mia wouldn't have said to the Bakers "hey, uh, fucking run".

Judging from the way Mia acts at the start saying she doesn't remember things I'd assume Eveline is suppressing her memories.

 

[adamsapple]

So I think I get the story, but one part is confusing me.

Mia and Eveline survive the wreckage. Lucas notices the washed up ship so he and Jack go and rescue the two, providing a home for them.

Do they explain why Mia doesn't warn Jack and Lucas immediately about Evelie? Like, is Eveline capable of subtle mind control in addition to making people turn violent - does she stop Mia from doing telling? Otherwise I don't understand why Mia wouldn't have said to the Bakers "hey, uh, fucking run".

Mia has missing/hazy memories of the last 3 years when Ethan finds her, I think Eve is able to control people's minds as well besides turning them violent. Mia was already weak and about to die in the ocean, so it must have been easy for Eve.

We see a picture of Mia and Eve's silhouette together probably from when the Bakers first find them.

 

[Jawmuncher]

There's more indications in the game that Eve led to it than Lucas, all we know is that Lucas may or may not have been in contact, there's no file, no line of dialogue or any hint in the game that lead me to believe Lucas was somehow involved in the shipwreck.

Remember in the flashback, the guy Mia is with (Forgot his name) called Eve a bitch which led to Eve killing him on the spot via telekinesis, we can imagine something like that happened earlier which must have upset Eve, that IMO is far more plausible.

Why would he be with a rival corporation prior to being involved with the incident?

Going by his section in the game and the Birthday tape. He seems to be quite the skilled engineer. I could see that interesting someone. Since my whole thing is, how did he get a hold of a rival corp while he was dealing with Mia and Eveline and all that infecting. It seemed to me like he knew prior what she could do, and had the set up before hand to be able to ditch her control.

 

[Skab]

No it's not. Where specifically is it said Eveline did it.
Why would she blow up the ship she is on? What benefit does she get from that?

Alan fucks up and accidentally lets Eveline gets loose on the ship, and she starts causing chaos. Shes killing crew members, spawning molded, and is trying to escape because she doesn't want to live in a lab anymore and wants a real family. The ship is damaged during this, an explosion occurs, and the storm washes the wreck into the bayou.

Lucas had nothing to do with it.

Since my whole thing is, how did he get a hold of a rival corp while he was dealing with Mia and Eveline and all that infecting. It seemed to me like he knew prior what she could do, and had the set up before hand to be able to ditch her control.

No. His emails state that who ever he is in contact with, they came in and cured him of Evelines infection. He wasn't affiliated with the other company until after the ship washed up and the Bakers rescued the girls. Lucas was infected with the rest of them.

The end of the ship clearly shows them still on the ocean, most likely relatively close to the Baker swamp area. Ocean pushed the wreckage and debris to it. That's what it felt like to me.

You can find a few journal entries from Jack, who talks about there being reports of a storm coming, then in the next entry about how Lucas tells him the storm washed a ship into the bayou.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I think it was Lucas and no one is gonna change my mind. Only the DLC confirming one or the other will convince me.

 

[SlasherJPC]

Going by his section in the game and the Birthday tape. He seems to be quite the skilled engineer. I could see that interesting someone. Since my whole thing is, how did he get a hold of a rival corp while he was dealing with Mia and Eveline and all that infecting. It seemed to me like he knew prior what she could do, and had the set up before hand to be able to ditch her control.

He even tells Ethan that he doesn't want things to change since his father found the washed up ship. I don't see why he'd say that if he did it. Yes he is already crazy before hand, but I don't believe for a second he caused the ship to sink in the ocean. Just feels super wishful thinking.

 

[Jawmuncher]

He even tells Ethan that he doesn't want things to change since his father found the washed up ship. I don't see why he'd say that if he did it. Yes he is already crazy before hand, but I don't believe for a second he caused the ship to sink in the ocean. Just feels super wishful thinking.

He found the ship. Why would Lucas just be messing around and go "ahh there's a ship here". He knew about the ship because he cause it.

 

[SlasherJPC]

He found the ship. Why would Lucas just be messing around and go "ahh there's a ship here". He knew about the ship because he cause it.

Cause they live in house right nearby where it washed up. So he blew it up and just hoped it would wash ashore? This is just as bad about the debate about Chris being Chris, if not worse.

 

[Skab]

He found the ship. Why would Lucas just be messing around and go "ahh there's a ship here". He knew about the ship because he cause it.

Because they live in a fucking Louisiana swamp, and a major storm just blew through the area causing massive damage?

It would be stranger for him to not be checking out the surrounding areas.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Cause they live in house right nearby where it washed up. So he blew it up and just hoped it would wash ashore? This is just as bad about the debate about Chris being Chris, if not worse.

Chris is Chris and Lucas caused the ship explosion.

There's no evidence which confirms nor denies either

Because they live in a fucking Louisiana swamp, and a major storm just blew through the area causing massive damage?

It would be stranger for him to not be checking out the surrounding areas.

That ship is pretty far out there. Remember it's a cut away from the pier and then they show up over there. During a storm the only thing you're worrying about is your own house.

 

[Carbonox]

Finished my collectibles run.

Now for a third run to get the speedrun, health and item box related trophies.

Can I also just say how fucking good the credits are for this game. The presentation and song choice is just perfect. My favourite credits of any game in a long while.

 

[ArtHands]

Going by his section in the game and the Birthday tape. He seems to be quite the skilled engineer. I could see that interesting someone. Since my whole thing is, how did he get a hold of a rival corp while he was dealing with Mia and Eveline and all that infecting. It seemed to me like he knew prior what she could do, and had the set up before hand to be able to ditch her control.

Those engineer thingy is to explain the existence of the traps you see in their house and everywhere, especially the wire traps in the barn.

 

[Skab]

Chris is Chris and Lucas caused the ship explosion.

There's no evidence which confirms nor denies either


That ship is pretty far out there. Remember it's a cut away from the pier and then they show up over there. During a storm the only thing you're worrying about is your own house.

Dude you are killing me over here.

If you house is on any decent amount of land, its not unusual AT ALL to go check it out after a storm.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Those engineer thingy is to explain the existence of the traps you see in their house and everywhere, especially the wire traps in the barn.

Even if they are. Then how did Lucas start working for a corporation. I find it hard to believe he would be infected and that far gone, and someone was like "hey let's get this guy to work for us". How would you even get that going? Why not just get jack to work for you then? Doesn't make since, he had to have connections prior.

 

[HazzaRHarrison]

It's Chris.

The twist isn't supposed to be "Why is someone impersonating Chris", the twist is supposed to be "Why is Chris working for Umbrella", surely.

While I agree that it is meant to be Chris. The fact that in a series that has clones and double / triple agents. Someone decided to completely change Chris' character design out of nowhere and then also have the umbrella twist is just poorly handled. Then you also have Capcom promoting vendetta for the past couple of months which has Chris' character design that he has had for the past decade.

This shouldn't have been an issue, if Capcom had changed the design for either RE7 or vendetta to be similar/match, or had vendetta come out before RE7. How Capcom is making these mistakes with Resident Evil for the past 20 years is crazy.

 

[SlasherJPC]

Even if they are. Then how did Lucas start working for a corporation. I find it hard to believe he would be infected and that far gone, and someone was like "hey let's get this guy to work for us". How would you even get that going? Why not just get jack to work for you then? Doesn't make since, he had to have connections prior.

Corperation/s looking for said ship after it goes down. The ones who were running the ops knew and rival companies knew about it,this is why they trying to move her to a place in South America as said in one for the document. If Lucas was the cause of a ship wrecking out in the ocean then Lucas also used his explosive skills to blow a tunnel from the lab to the guest house right? This theory is really way over the top. Lol

 

[ArtHands]

Even if they are. Then how did Lucas start working for a corporation. I find it hard to believe he would be infected and that far gone, and someone was like "hey let's get this guy to work for us". How would you even get that going? Why not just get jack to work for you then? Doesn't make since, he had to have connections prior.

The company wants to resolve this Eveline issue. they cured Lucas and in return get him to be an insider to feed them information about Eveline.

I don't see why there has to be a reason for choosing him, it is most likely just random. If they got Jack to work for them you will start asking why choose Jack, and whether his football hobby has got to do with him working for the corporation.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Corperation/s looking for said ship after it goes down. The ones who were running the ops knew and rival companies knew about it,this is why they trying to move her to a place in South America as said in one for the document. If Lucas was the cause of a ship wrecking out in the ocean then Lucas also used his explosive skills to blow a tunnel from the lab to the guest house right? This theory is really way over the top. Lol

The mines looked like they had already been there. But the lab was added by Lucas too. It really doesn't seem all that implausible. Organization X already had Lucas on board, and knew about the ship. Lucas blew the ship up, and got eveline and Mia to be found by jack. Just so it didn't seem like he was just bringing people back. Then during all of that he made that little lab. With him getting information/materials and maybe some check ups from Org X.

Like it sounds kinda crazy. But I think it makes perfect sense for RE.

The company wants to resolve this Eveline issue. they cured Lucas and in return get him to be an insider to feed them information about Eveline.

I don't see why there has to be a reason for choosing him, it is most likely just random. If they got Jack to work for them you will start asking why choose Jack, and whether his football hobby has got to do with him working for the corporation.

I would question if it was jack. How do you get in contact with people infected and try to cure and instantly make them work for you. That's a lot of praying things will work out how you planned. The beginning of the game, anyone who was even getting close to the house was killed. Lucas seemed to be the only one actually able to leave the house to kidnap people. Which would be a chance for an organization to cure him sure. But to do so and hope it works out?

 

[Kazuhira]

Still not sure if Mia is good or evil,she is body guarding a 12 yo girl who is a test subject and doesn't give a single fuck,she even said "can't wait to get rid off this babysitting job".

 

[Vamphuntr]

I was pretty sure Eveline caused the ship to blow up? When you see flashbacks as Mia they more or less tell you everyone is dead in the engine room because of her. With the molded thrashing everything and the storm going on it's obvious why it could go wrong.

The company pretty much knew where she was because of the codex watch and probably decided to use the Baker's plantation as an experiment. In the salt mines you can find reports about the toxin and Eveline everywhere so they are probably keeping Lucas informed. He himself is sending them reports about her aging. Moreover when you read the files around the house it doesn't seem Eveline was able to control them quickly, Marguerite has a file where she goes see a doctor because she feels weird and Zoe blames Eveline. Lucas probably got serum from the company before losing it completely. I think what caused Umbrella to act in the end was either that Lucas was about to sell out everything to a third party, that it was time to end it since Eveline is aging too much or that they were afraid Ethan would be the first to screw everything up.

 

[SlasherJPC]

I was pretty sure Eveline caused the ship to blow up? When you see flashbacks as Mia they more or less tell you everyone is dead in the engine room because of her. With the molded thrashing everything and the storm going on it's obvious why it could go wrong.

The company pretty much knew where she was because of the codex watch and probably decided to use the Baker's plantation as an experiment. In the salt mines you can find reports about the toxin and Eveline everywhere so they are probably keeping Lucas informed. He himself is sending them reports about her aging. Moreover when you read the files around the house it doesn't seem Eveline was able to control them quickly, Marguerite has a file where she goes see a doctor because she feels weird and Zoe blames Eveline. Lucas probably got serum from the company before losing it completely. I think what caused Umbrella to act in the end was either that Lucas was about to sell out everything to a third party, that it was time to end it since Eveline is aging too much or that they were afraid Ethan would be the first to screw everything up.

#lucasdidit is the new meme

 

[Jawmuncher]

#lucasdidit is the new meme

If my theory holds water with any of the DLCs I'm coming back with a crow plate. Will gladly enjoy mine if I'm wrong.

 

[SlasherJPC]

If my theory holds water with any of the DLCs I'm coming back with a crow plate. Will gladly enjoy mine if I'm wrong.

I'm not one to be not open to suggestions but there is just nothing solid there. If one single shred of evidence in game pointed to Lucas being on the ship aside from BOOM. I'd be in board like Lucas supposedly is. There just isn't anything there to even suggest it.

 

[Hagi]

Still not sure if Mia is good or evil,she is body guarding a 12 yo girl who is a test subject and doesn't give a single fuck,she even said "can't wait to get rid off this babysitting job".

She works for a corporation that makes child abominations with the sole purpose to wreak havoc and destabilize countries. I'd struggle to say she's a good person.

 

[Skab]

If my theory holds water with any of the DLCs I'm coming back with a crow plate. Will gladly enjoy mine if I'm wrong.

Can you really claim it as a theory when there is zero evidence to back it up?



Guys, I'm pretty sure Jack Baker was Weskers uncle. There is nothing that proves or denies this in game, so you can't prove me wrong.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I'm not one to be not open to suggestions but there is just nothing solid there. If one single shred of evidence in game pointed to Lucas being on the ship aside from BOOM. I'd be in board like Lucas supposedly is. There just isn't anything there to even suggest it.

Can you really claim it as a theory when there is zero evidence to back it up?


Guys, I'm pretty sure Jack Baker was Weskers uncle.

I feel there is enough connecting evidence. We'll see though. The upcoming DLC should probably help.

Since there isn't any evidence that eveline caused the explosion either. So their both on the same footing.

 

[Dusk Golem]

To talk about the Lucas angle, the game has pretty strong hints that Lucas was in contact with the corporations before the Ship even came into the picture. In fact, there's slight hints through the whole game the Baker's aren't fully victims like many seem to believe.

If you pay attention to the receipts around the game, for example, the literal Prison built under the Guest House which leads directly to the Mines was built in the late 1990s and the Shadow Puzzles to cover up the Processing Area and weird doors were also built in the late 1990s. It's a case where the literal receipts in the game point to this. Why would the Bakers years before they were infected need a literal prison and hide it?

Also in the upcoming prologue 'Daughters' chapter in the Banned Footage Volume 2 DLC which takes place before the Bakers were infected, it features Lucas prominently as you play as Zoe. In the hex code there's three endings to that chapter and I think will highlight a few things going by names in the hex code the Bakers were involved with waaaay before Eveline even came into the picture. Basically it hints that Lucas was involved with a corporation before Eveline joined the family.

 

[SlasherJPC]

I feel there is enough connecting evidence. We'll see though. The upcoming DLC should probably help.

Since there isn't any evidence that eveline caused the explosion either. So their both on the same footing.

The difference is its blatantly pointing at her wrecking havoc would cause the ship to blow, more then Lucas suddenly appearing. It's possible as is anything with these RE games.

 

[Skab]

I feel there is enough connecting evidence. We'll see though. The upcoming DLC should probably help.

Since there isn't any evidence that eveline caused the explosion either. So their both on the same footing.

How can you believe this? Seriously?

The entire boat tape is literally about her attacking the ship and everyone on it, and you don't believe she caused it to wreck? Instead of the bio-weapon thats already causing carnage on the ship, you think Lucas some how got out there and blew it up at exactly the same time?

This is absolutely mind boggling to me.

 

[SlasherJPC]

To talk about the Lucas angle, the game has pretty strong hints that Lucas was in contact with the corporations before the Ship even came into the picture. In fact, there's slight hints through the whole game the Baker's aren't fully victims like many seem to believe.

If you pay attention to the receipts around the game, for example, the literal Prison built under the Guest House which leads directly to the Mines was built in the late 1990s and the Shadow Puzzles to cover up the Processing Area and weird doors were also built in the late 1990s. It's a case where the literal receipts in the game point to this. Why would the Bakers years before they were infected need a literal prison and hide it?

Also in the upcoming prologue 'Daughters' chapter in the Banned Footage Volume 2 DLC which takes place before the Bakers were infected, it features Lucas prominently as you play as Zoe. In the hex code there's three endings to that chapter and I think will highlight a few things going by names in the hex code the Bakers were involved with waaaay before Eveline even came into the picture. Basically it hints that Lucas was involved with a corporation before Eveline joined the family.

Lucas being involved with the corporation and that angle I'm vibing with, but to think he left the house, a guy who is arguable insane and still has his room decorated as if he was a kid, to blow up a ship out in the ocean, and hope it washes up next to his house, is just mind blowing dumb if Capcom points to that explaination.

 

[Jawmuncher]

How can you believe this? Seriously?

The entire boat tape is literally about her attacking the ship and everyone on it, and you don't believe she caused it to wreck? Instead of the bio-weapon thats already causing carnage on the ship, you think Lucas some how got out there and blew it up at exactly the same time?

This is absolutely mind boggling to me.

Killing all the crew doesn't suddenly equal an explosion. Dead aim was proof enough of that. Everyone was dead on that boat and it was just coasting.

 

[ArtHands]

The mines looked like they had already been there. But the lab was added by Lucas too. It really doesn't seem all that implausible. Organization X already had Lucas on board, and knew about the ship. Lucas blew the ship up, and got eveline and Mia to be found by jack. Just so it didn't seem like he was just bringing people back. Then during all of that he made that little lab. With him getting information/materials and maybe some check ups from Org X.

Like it sounds kinda crazy. But I think it makes perfect sense for RE.



I would question if it was jack. How do you get in contact with people infected and try to cure and instantly make them work for you. That's a lot of praying things will work out how you planned. The beginning of the game, anyone who was even getting close to the house was killed. Lucas seemed to be the only one actually able to leave the house to kidnap people. Which would be a chance for an organization to cure him sure. But to do so and hope it works out?

Well precisely. You are going to question anyway regardless of who they choose to be a spy. Which is why your question shouldn't be a question in the first place.

They didn't instantly make him work for them. They took several days to cure him, before telling him to help them because he doesn't have a choice. The corporation is the only one who can save him from Eveline.

 

[Skab]

Killing all the crew doesn't suddenly equal an explosion. Dead aim was proof enough of that. Everyone was dead on that boat and it was just coasting.

There were molded all over the ship, people were trying to find weapons to fight them. Fires were breaking out in the engine rooms.

This wasnt a stealth mission for Eveline.

 

[Intheflorsh]

I think Simmons did it

 

[bidguy]

so if lucas is cured how are his limbs still regenerating ? did they cure him during the whole ethan incident or before ?

 

[SlasherJPC]

so if lucas is cured how are his limbs still regenerating ? did they cure him during the whole ethan incident or before ?

The mind control is gone but he still has the regeneration apparently.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Were just talking circles now. I think Lucas did and gave my case for it. I'm not saying eveline couldn't have done it. But I still heavily lean on Lucas personally.

Much like nothing I've typed has seemed to sway anyone. Nothing I have read has swayed me. So we're just at a choke point now until more information comes out in the DLC. If any info towards this is even in the DLC.

 

[Crooked16th]

Really hope the Redfield is Chris and Jill's son it would make no sense time wise but it would give context as to why Jill just threw herself out a window for Chris. Also Chris's story mirrors Weskers story in a lot of ways so having his son turn out to be evil would go a long with Weskers son being good.

 

[Anung]

Yep, caved and bought the season pass. Part of the problem.

 

[Vamphuntr]

I think Simmons did it

If we are lucky him and every traces of 6 will be retconned out of the RE history. I was so mad when I saw Claire mentioned in one of the game's file. Don't taint her with this trash please.

 

[Luminaire]

So what the hell happened to Lucas? I don't remember killing him, I just got through his series of traps and then never saw him again.

Also, Redfield? Can't be Chris, looks too young. And if this is 2017, he'd be like 40+. Hm...

 

[JayEH]

Really hope the Redfield is Chris and Jill's son it would make no sense time wise but it would give context as to why Jill just threw herself out a window for Chris. Also Chris's story mirrors Weskers story in a lot of ways so having his son turn out to be evil would go a long with Weskers son being good.

Chris would have to be interested in Jill (or women in general) for that to happen though

 

[Skab]

So what the hell happened to Lucas? I don't remember killing him, I just got through his series of traps and then never saw him again.

Also, Redfield? Can't be Chris, looks too young. And if this is 2017, he'd be like 40+. Hm...

You don't kill Lucas, he escapes.

Credits list him as Chris Redfield. Beyond that its up to speculation.

 

[Luminaire]

You don't kill Lucas, he escapes.

Credits list him as Chris Redfield. Beyond that its up to speculation.

Ah, that's what I thought.

 

[Kazuhira]

Obviously that Redfield is the one of these guys.

 

[Zoggy]

63 pages of you guys ignoring the whole game and arguing about a 2 second cameo

 

[Wonko_C]

Has anyone tried playing with Japanese voices?
It's interesting. Makes the game seem quite different.

I'm doing that on my second play through. Already noticed some differences in the intro when Ethan frees Mia she never addressed Jack as "Daddy", just "Him". Also "welcome to the family son" becomes something like "You're family now".

 

[Jawmuncher]

Obviously that Redfield is the one of these guys.

That trailer was definitely cut content.

 

[rtcn63]

Didn't someone already say that New Umbrella is from Umbrella Corps and they're like cleaners or something