DonF
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Rian acted as an employee of Disney and Lucasarts. I mean at what happened with Solo, they changed directors and re shoot lots of that movie.
Disney was happy with TLJ, thats why they kept Rian. Its not Rian's fault.
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Rian Johnson can go fuck himself
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Disney was happy with TLJ, thats why they kept Rian. Its not Rian's fault.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Man this post is harder to follow than the new film.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
his film came in on time and under budget. it's the only one that did. that's reason enough for them to like him. obviously think they care at all about plot or canon or the integrity of the series or any of that. they are money people, they leave that to the nerds who discuss/promote the content. so yes on a purely mercenary mode, they liked him. production went smooth enough after so many disasters that they probably instantly jumped to give him a trilogy.
but he wrote his movie, he made those choices. im not going to blame KK when he wrote the movie himself with no outside help. KK was for sure responsible for overseeing the multiple projects & fucked that up as well. i mean the whole thing is a fuck up in many different ways with many people responsible. usually the president of the company is there to take responsibility but it's obvious how mismanaged the whole thing was.
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manfestival
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There was no ambiguity with my post. I am targeting your hatred of JJ Abrams. This whole wall of triggered text seems to be you being crazy about this. Cool story bro.
Setzer
Member
I really don't have issue with Rian Johnson as a filmmaker but I do have issue with what he did with TLJ. He was given the task to direct the second film in a trilogy which is not only suppose to continue from where TFA left off but also to move the story forward and set things up for the third film. He didn't do that. He treated it almost as if he was making the third film of the trilogy. Empire Strikes Back sets up Return of the Jedi perfectly. in that it moves the story forward and leaves the audience wanting to see what happens to Han Solo after being froze in carbonite and taken by Boba Fett to Jabba's Palace. It leaves the audience wanting to know what happens with Luke Skywalker after he finds out Vader is his Father. What does TLJ do to setup the third act? Nothing. Snoke is dead, Luke is dead, and Rey is nobody.
Ultimately, this mess is on Disney for not having a some sort of outline or road map for these 3 films and on top of that you assign it to 3 different directors.
Ultimately, this mess is on Disney for not having a some sort of outline or road map for these 3 films and on top of that you assign it to 3 different directors.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
The Star Wars freak outs are awesome, the expectations for these movies are way to high but so entertaining.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
He comes off so clueless. He's even straight lying about actual events that occured. What an insincere, soulless asshole.
why are you lying?
Starfield
Member
Why should I ask about someones opinion that I don't give a fuck about.
Realising that you've got shit on your fingers is the first step in washing your hands dude.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
why did they mismanage their most valuable assets? Carrie Fischer is dead and had they planned something out, they could have easily shot a reunion flashback with the OT three alive and well during the last 4 years of her life (following TFA's announcement).
this is the only thing people wanted from all this. these three actors in a room together.
just one scene.
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Ixiah
Banned
God forbid someone actual discusses Topics in a Forum......
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Yeah I wasn't talking to you so shut up and maybe go wash your hands.
Starfield
Member
I'm sorry, did I seem to give a fuck? If I did, really, I was just being polite.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I agree that Johnson is a far better director than JJ. TLJ remains one of the better looking star wars films. But in terms of storytelling, he is quite bad. Not a whole lot is done in TLJ that makes sense. Its one thing for characters to fail at tasks, to prove some sort of point about failure teaching you. Its another thing completely for characters to disregard motivations & traits established in prior films.
- Luke wanting to stealth kill his nephew over visions does not make sense.
- Yoda force ghost being able to destroy real world objects does not make sense. It makes you question why he stayed out of battles before if he could have helped. And even if you imply he was the first to develop such a technique, similar to how Qui-Gon was the first in his group of contemporaries to be a force ghost, it begs the question why he wouldn't help out in future conflicts.
- Holdo maneuver. The implications this has for space combat in SW's universe is insane.
You can find a lot more stuff on neckbeard youtube essay #433536 about the Last Jedi but the point is people have legit gripes with the movie beyond fans not getting what they want. Those issues don't bother you which is fine, people can take away different things from the same film.
TheGreatYosh
Banned
Nope. Yoda was an old af alien. It made sense. I seen a couple scenes of her and wanted to stop watching because it was so bad. The casino planet was pretty bad too.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
So far it's got an audience score of 86 percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
The critcs hating but the people liking.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
Yoda is not just a crazy alien for the sake of it. first of all it was an experiment in animated performance. people forget that once upon a time the idea of having a puppet onscreen as a main character in a mainstream film just wasn't done. that was for silly monster movies and such. the idea it could elicit emotion & a belivable performance that one could get lost in, that was also laughable. it is a testament to the hard work of Mark Hamill and the entire crew, who lived on a swamp set for months, alongside snakes and bugs and other critters, filming this experimental sequence where a puppet discusses metaphysics in a blockbuster children's movie. the technology to do this didn't even exist so they had to fund it themselves. all that was incredibly risky. the new films don't try to do anything close to as insightful, revolutionary, warm, and welcoming as Luke's time with Yoda. just empty platitudes about legacy.
secondly, Yoda is not just a random green alien guy. his character is partially based on a Kurosawa movie out around the time of writing Empire, Dersu Uzala, which featured a strange old man, living in the wilderness, who spoke in a backward manner of speaking, and was a lowly looking person, yet had great wisdom. there are plenty of Kurosawa references in SW of course, and the word Jedi even comes from the Japanese word for these films.
there is a lot of thought & reason behind George Lucas's stuff I think is getting brushed over in order to prop up The Last Jedi. who is Holdo based on? has Rian given an interview on that? i'm not sure, she seems like a character device to me, with poor, shifting motivations, there to give Rian's poetic speeches about sparks & suddenly (compared to the last movie) paint the Latino leading actor as a swarthy, sexist, dangerous, untrustworthy man. has anyone looked into the weird way Rian launders his perhaps unexplored Latin stereotypes through his male feminism?
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Werewolf Jones
Member
If I could get paid £100 for every time I read "Rian Johnson" in this thread I could buy back Lucasfilm from Disney. Damn.
People still being bitter about TLJ need to move on. Go experience more fiction outside of Disney shit.
People still being bitter about TLJ need to move on. Go experience more fiction outside of Disney shit.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Surprisingly the mind-reading scenes lacked any special effects and didn't seem very convincing to me. They could've done some subtle warping effects and maybe some veins bulging slightly in the forehead.
Kinda like Scanners, but not as body-horror. Otherwise Scanners did that kind of stuff a lot better and that's a movie from 1981.
TheGreatYosh
Banned
You're reaching with your racism angle. I haven't watched every line in the movie, but I got zero emphasis on Poe's ethnic background. He's just the closest to a White male good guy in the trilogy. The feminist propaganda was blatant af, hence the skipping it.Yoda is not just a crazy alien for the sake of it. first of all it was an experiment in animated performance. people forget that once upon a time the idea of having a puppet onscreen as a main character in a mainstream film just wasn't done. that was for silly monster movies and such. the idea it could elicit emotion & a belivable performance that one could get lost in, that was also laughable. it is a testament to the hard work of Mark Hamill and the entire crew, who lived on a swamp set for months, alongside snakes and bugs and other critters, filming this experimental sequence where a puppet discusses metaphysics in a blockbuster children's movie. the technology to do this didn't even exist so they had to fund it themselves. all that was incredibly risky. the new films don't try to do anything close to as insightful, revolutionary, warm, and welcoming as Luke's time with Yoda. just empty platitudes about legacy.
secondly, Yoda is not just a random green alien guy. his character is partially based on a Kurosawa movie out around the time of writing Empire, Dersu Uzala, which featured a strange old man, living in the wilderness, who spoke in a backward manner of speaking, and was a lowly looking person, yet had great wisdom. there are plenty of Kurosawa references in SW of course, and the word Jedi even comes from the Japanese word for these films.
there is a lot of thought & reason behind George Lucas's stuff I think is getting brushed over in order to prop up The Last Jedi. who is Holdo based on? has Rian given an interview on that? i'm not sure, she seems like a character device to me, with poor, shifting motivations, there to give Rian's poetic speeches about sparks & suddenly (compared to the last movie) paint the Latino leading actor as a swarthy, sexist, dangerous, untrustworthy man. has anyone looked into the weird way Rian launders his perhaps unexplored Latin stereotypes through his male feminism?
Great stuff about Yoda, and Empire Strikes Back.
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slugbahr
Unconfirmed Member
Initial space battle sequence - starts off with a prank call that should've resulted in a quick death
Battle with snoke - I don't remember him fighting. I do remember him getting cut in half while sitting on his ass
Seeing Yoda and Luke together - and then a ghost sets fire to a tree
Seeing that touching moment with Luke and leia - fucķ yeah! Luke has gotten off his ass. The whole point of the movie, I thought - since TFA was supposedly about finding the map to him to get his help when needed most.
Like walking out alone to the entire First Order - see above. See a hologram too! What a fucking waste!!
Southern Gentleman
Member
Yeah, don't forget about Trank. What a dumpster fire, lol
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
OT without the add-on CGI is the best. OT<3
jonnyp
Member
It makes it easy for him to switch to Rianna sometime in the future.
sol_bad
Member
Nah, you can go fuck yourself.
Starfield
Member
ok boomer