I remember when they came to my university for co-op and were hyping themselves and saying they are always growing and so on.
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I remember when they came to my university for co-op and were hyping themselves and saying they are always growing and so on.
SolsticeZero
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I was given a Bold 9900 for my job, and it basically just sits there as a wireless hotspot. I hate the software so much on the thing.
2013 then, same thing. There is no way they will still be trying to introduce new blackberries a year from today.
samus i am
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I will book mark this thread for when they release a phone after May 1 2013.
M3Freak
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Their new OS looks really cool, IMO. Swiping up words and swiping to delete without ever leaving the on-screen keyboard is pretty awesome.
The camera app is ace. ACE.
I've been predicting I would be going back to a BB this fall. Based on what I've seen, I think I'm still on track to get rid of my Samsung Nexus S.
(note: previous to my Samsung, I'd been a BB user for almost 5 years)
The camera app is ace. ACE.
I've been predicting I would be going back to a BB this fall. Based on what I've seen, I think I'm still on track to get rid of my Samsung Nexus S.
(note: previous to my Samsung, I'd been a BB user for almost 5 years)
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Holy crap, just woke up. Missed the liveblog, catching up now.
Well they've historically had some good ideas ... so might as well let them run their course before they're bought out. That way the good stuff will get absorbed by whoever buys it (and then ripped off by everyone else in some manner).
Joel Was Right
If you smell burning, it's probably the generators acting up. Report it anyway.
BBM is perhaps their biggest asset. Microsoft, buy them out nao
Doesn't RIM hold a metric fuckton of patents? That alone is reason enough (and their hold over the enterprise market... even if that too is eroding) for MS to buy them out.
Plus, MS love partnering with other soon-to-be extinct giants. Who knows, once in a while, it actually turns out okay!
Plus, MS love partnering with other soon-to-be extinct giants. Who knows, once in a while, it actually turns out okay!
Realistically, I don't there's enough room for 4. 3 on the other hand is viable.
They've got some interesting ideas, but I think it's the wrong move to not reveal the rest of the OS. They need to give their existing developers confidence that they're not about to die, while simultaneously attracting new developers.
What's the incentive if developers don't know when they're going to ship actual devices and all the features these devices will have to gain market share over competing Jelly Bean, iOS 6, and Apollo devices?
What's the incentive if developers don't know when they're going to ship actual devices and all the features these devices will have to gain market share over competing Jelly Bean, iOS 6, and Apollo devices?
I'm not a fan boy by any means, but the 9930 is a great phone, and the Blackberry OS is getting there... finally. I like way they've integrated the touch interface and the gestures are smooth, it all feels very natural.
But the same could be said for the playbook, and even with the full reboot of OS 2.0 they just haven't gotten it right yet. There's so much to like, the interface is slick, completely user friendly and very stable (all things that Android is not, IMO), but the stuff they overlook is infuriating, just tragically simple things that would make the OS sing; you can't organize or rename bookmarks, the file browser is a joke (there's no folders, just a list of all files by type), no way to search for a word in any app or document, the native PDF reader is woeful, no working navigation or AR apps (would be awesome with the PB's screen), no Skype or Netflix...
RIM somehow just continues to miss the functional, easy things that even ancient versions of Android and iOS had natively, things that are really quite important. Unless they can catch up to the rest of the pack, I'm not sure I can support them much further.
But the same could be said for the playbook, and even with the full reboot of OS 2.0 they just haven't gotten it right yet. There's so much to like, the interface is slick, completely user friendly and very stable (all things that Android is not, IMO), but the stuff they overlook is infuriating, just tragically simple things that would make the OS sing; you can't organize or rename bookmarks, the file browser is a joke (there's no folders, just a list of all files by type), no way to search for a word in any app or document, the native PDF reader is woeful, no working navigation or AR apps (would be awesome with the PB's screen), no Skype or Netflix...
RIM somehow just continues to miss the functional, easy things that even ancient versions of Android and iOS had natively, things that are really quite important. Unless they can catch up to the rest of the pack, I'm not sure I can support them much further.
dream
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What makes you think there's actually a rest of the OS to reveal?
Bitmap Frogs
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Anyone else read the thread title as:
RIP announces BlackBerry OS 10
RIP announces BlackBerry OS 10
More like BES/BIS/Blackberry Mobile Fusion
If MS bought them it would be for this purpose. Easier integration for IT admins and Exchange environments.
SolsticeZero
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Exactly why I can see Google/Apple/MS buying RIM. BES is used by so many companies. With another company buying them, they would be able to implement BES into their current OS. That way, in the future, when companies don't feel like updating their corporate servers, they can just hand people a new Android/WP7/iphone that works with their existing stuff.
Horsemama1956
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RIM could last if they made pure touch screen phones along with their current style. They could take Android market share away. Personally having used Android(ICS and GB) on my girlfriends phones(she has since sold them and gone back to BB with a torch) I really don't see the big deal with Android.
I assume the only reason Android is so popular because those phones are pretty much given away in a much higher volume with contracts then the other phones. The people that fawn over the ridiculous specs are like the High-end GPU market, ie they don't really matter.
I assume the only reason Android is so popular because those phones are pretty much given away in a much higher volume with contracts then the other phones. The people that fawn over the ridiculous specs are like the High-end GPU market, ie they don't really matter.
SolsticeZero
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RIM tried completely touch screen phones, like the Storm Touch. Nobody wanted them, though. Everyone wanted their keyboards back.
We're fading away. BBs were the shit for a while. Then for a bit the keyboard advantage still made sense. Then the software/apps were so archaic in comparison that it became a chore to stick around.
I've still got a BB, but I've been planning on moving over to Android for a while now. Just gotta find the perfect phone and make the switch a bit more affordable (Canada plans are 3 years). All I've decided as yet is that the iPhone is definitely not it.
I hate when OEMs include their own Android skin. : /
Make sure to scope around for Galaxy S3 news on Thursday. Looks like it will be legendary.
If I had $1,000 to throw away, I'd invest it in RIM for the fuck of it.
Worst case scenario, you lose $1,000 you were looking to throw away.
Best case senario, you invest in RIM when it's hit absolute rock bottom and watch as it eventually crawls out of the gutter and you make a killing.
Worst case scenario, you lose $1,000 you were looking to throw away.
Best case senario, you invest in RIM when it's hit absolute rock bottom and watch as it eventually crawls out of the gutter and you make a killing.
SolsticeZero
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I don't mind if they include it, but they need to have it uninstallable. Let us have a stock AOSP option on every phone.
Some of us:
1) Manage or develop software products, and supporting Blackberry is a pain, because it requires effort (albeit not much) while producing little return (monetary and personal satisfaction). It's just an extra headache.
2) Care about the environment, and all those Blackberry phones that will soon be buried in the deserts of Nevada aren't doing anyone any good.
3) Want the industry to converge, so thousands of developer hours won't be wasted on a platform that is already dead. (RIM does contribute to Webkit, however, which is of great value to everyone)
Sadly, I don't think RIM will provide that option. ;(
This.
And this. Anyone falling for a RIM concept video at this point is a mark.
People probably thought the same thing about Nortel.
This is one impressive software demo, now it may or may not transfer over to realtime performence etc BUT it shows that there is still a huge pool of talent over at BB. Either one of the three big should snap them up. I'm sure they all already are just waiting for RIM to get close enough to the brink of destruction before swooping in to get the talent and patents.
Yep, been following that. Problem is I really want a physical keyboard or some kind of tactile touch screen that comes close. I know the former really limits my choice and the latter is still not quite ready for market.
I was once like you. Trust me, autocorrect fixes the issues with inaccuracy. You won't want a physical keyboard once you use virtual for a couple months. The thought will repulse you.
SolsticeZero
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It's true. I ditched the physical keyboard when the Evo 4G came out, and I don't think I can ever go back. Autocorrect + Swype is all I need.
TheDiabolical
I didn't read my own avatar and now everyone knows I'm not too bright. :(
love the auto finish......still not going back to a BB though
TheDiabolical
I didn't read my own avatar and now everyone knows I'm not too bright. :(
i always turn that auto correct thing into a game for myself. just to see if i can spell the word without it popping up.
Metroid Hunter
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The fucking company made almost $20 billion in revenue last year, and has a net income at 3.4 billion. Although they may go bankrupt in the distant future is up for debate, they will not go under in 2014. No way. BlackBerries, regardless of popularity, will be around in 2014. I really do not get your hating on Research in Motion in this thread.
When I first jumped in with iOS, I was pecking very precisely and staring at the keyboard.
Then, the vision of autocorrect was revealed unto me. Now I just bash the screen and watch the results turn into f'real sentences. The more you let go of control, the better your overall accuracy.
Add on top of that Double-Tap > Suggest and baby you've got yourself a stew goin'.
Then, the vision of autocorrect was revealed unto me. Now I just bash the screen and watch the results turn into f'real sentences. The more you let go of control, the better your overall accuracy.
Add on top of that Double-Tap > Suggest and baby you've got yourself a stew goin'.
Wow 2 of the first 14 posts are you hoping a company dies. That's kinda pathetic.
Operations
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Net income does not accurately reflect Capex, nor is it indicative of the free cash flow available to the company. To suggest its business model might undergo a radical change by 2014 is not hating by any means.
I don't think a physical keyboard is done for... but I don't think it's the future, either.
Problem is that RIM's kinda committed to it. Like Buick and a bench seat in both front and back... and, like Buick, RIM is only catering to very specific (and declining) crowd. I love my BB, I'm one of the 40 people with a playbook ffs.... but I'm not sure they're equipped to move forward based on recent showings.
Metroid Hunter
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People probably thought the same thing about Nintendo pre-2006.
And they were right.
Even Apple in the late 1990s. No one could have predicted their resurgence. They were basically dead.
That's awfully presumptuous. I've used an iPhone for two+ months before (BB was busted). I didn't like it at all. Physical keyboard is still better.
Developers will make the difference now, but what's stopping them from going to iOS or Android? RIM better hope that developer profitability with respect to apps on BBOS10 is better than Android because it's already a ghosttown there.
A great UI would make me pick a BB up again. Right now, I'm stuck between sticking with Android or making the jump to WP7.5 or an iDevice.
Agreed. I even have Swype on my Galaxy and I hate it. I miss physical buttons.
A great UI would make me pick a BB up again. Right now, I'm stuck between sticking with Android or making the jump to WP7.5 or an iDevice.
Agreed. I even have Swype on my Galaxy and I hate it. I miss physical buttons.
Metroid Hunter
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He did not suggest a radical business model change. He is stating the company will be gone in the next year. And yes, that is not hating. However, this is:
I'm not trying to point fingers, but this random hate for a random company is kind of irritating. He could at least justify his position instead of "THERE DOOMED". Just my 2 cents.
samus i am
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I see this as no different than going into a Wii U thread and shitting all over Nintendo.
Riiiight. I'm sure a site named 9to5google.com isn't biased.
Huw_Dawson
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I have a Blackberry 9300. I have to pay £5 a month or I can't use Twitter or the browser, which are the only two programs worth a damn on the thing.
Blackberries are not smartphones. They are dumbphones.
Blackberries are not smartphones. They are dumbphones.
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