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Rival characters in gaming

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Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
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I love this trope, if you want to call it that, because when it's done well, it creates such an effective means for character growth. A character that is similar in skill to the protagonist, often with a slight edge and a cooler aesthetic, is the perfect milestone for the main character to surpass in his hero's journey. It can be a bit cheesy, but even when it's not pulled off perfectly, it's a very enjoyable (if not a bit overused) narrative mechanic. Just off the top of my head, some really great examples of the rival character:

Bass, Mega Man: Similar skillset to Mega Man, created by Dr. Wily as opposed to Dr. Light, black and bulky instead of bright and sleek, arrogant and confrontational as opposed to peace loving and selfless... he's the perfect antithesis to Mega Man.

Melfice, Grandia 2: Ryudo's
possessed
brother and a major impetus behind his journey, Melfice uses the same sword style as Ryudo in a much more brutal manner. Ryudo is a loner and a cynic, whereas Melfice holds a position of power and glory. He's also several steps beyond cynical; he's savage and sadistic. It's easy to hate him, but nobody can deny how cool he is.

Liquid Snake, Metal Gear Solid: He's Snake, but blonde, British, and evil. Instead of a sneaking suit, he has a trenchcoat. Cliche? Sure. Awesome? You bet. A brilliant and memorable villain despite his relatively unimaginative concept.

But my vote goes to...

Blue, from the original set of Pokemon games.

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Blue is everything you're not. You're a nobody from the house next door; Blue is the professor's grandson. You pick your Pokemon first, so Blue picks the one strong against your type. You're a plain looking, taciturn guy; Blue has cool hair and charisma. But what makes him such an effective rival is his persistence in the story. He's there to challenge you every step of the way, and you can lose to him and still advance in the game. He's a constant benchmark for you, the player, and you watch him raise his team of Pokemon alongside you. He takes it a step further and has his name engraved on the plaques in front of every gym; he's always one step ahead of you. Everything you do, he does before you. He even takes the title of world champ just before you do, setting up the ultimate showdown between rivals as the endgame. Becoming champ wasn't even enough, no - he got a cool new wardrobe to go along with it.


For all his strengths and advantages, however, Blue does not have something that you, Red, do... love for your Pokemon. Through Blue's draconian methods, his strengths become naught, and you teach him the true meaning of what it means to be a Pokemon master... and a human being. And, lo and behold, he returns three years later as a reformed man and gym leader, learning from his defeat at the hands of the seemingly inferior Red.

So I ask you - why do you like or dislike rival characters? Who is your favorite? Do you find the concept overused? What's an example of a poorly done rival? Give us your thoughts.

Addendum:

Great thread on Vergil's effectiveness as a rival
 
I disagree with you buddy. Umbreon is proof that Blue loves his PokeMon - Eevee won't evolve unless it likes its trainer. I just think Blue is cocky.

That being said, I don't really care for this trope. It's kind of tired by now. Why is Japan so obsessed with rivals? Does anyone in the real world actually have someone they call their rival? The melodrama.
 
Best rivals for me have always been Blue(Gary) and Vergil. I swear Blue just had a damn knack for showing up at the most opportune time, still love the bastard.
 
I love rival characters, they serve as excellent thematic contrast and any growth they might have advances the stakes of every fight. As a result, my favorite rival characters are probably Asch from Tales of the Abyss and N from Pokemon Black/White.
 
Ken is still the first that comes to mind.

A rivalry that continues along multiple titles, its still relevant because we never get a concrete answer, great color palette difference. All great stuff.

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Great design, funny dialogue, fun boss fights, and
the reveal that he also loves Shield Knight is surprisingly cool and touching.
 
I love rival characters, they serve as excellent thematic contrast and any growth they might have advances the stakes of every fight. As a result, my favorite rival characters are probably Asch from Tales of the Abyss and N from Pokemon Black/White.
Asch was so good. I love how
he's the original you. You stole everything from him and completely ruined his life. He's more refined and better trained than you are. He's more likable. He's you... but better. And unlike Blue, he's also better at gaining empathy from the audience. He's a huge part of why Luke grows up and develops his own persona and philosophy. He also serves as a good case study for nature vs. nurture when compared to his clone.
 
Capcom in general is really good for crafting fantastic rivalries. There's Dante and Vergil, Megaman and Bass, Ryu and Sagat... the list goes on. I'm going to throw my vote in for this guy, though:

Miles Edgeworth


Without delving into spoilers too much, Phoenix and Edgeworth share an interesting rivalry because their very profession necessitates clashing with each other in a court of law. But outside of the first game, it's not so much an antagonistic rivalry. Rather, they bring the absolute best out of each other when going at it in court, with the two knowing that whatever they'll throw out, the other will respond in kind twofold, doing so until the truth reveals itself at last.

I think the best illustration of this is in the final case of Justice For All. He's one step ahead of you the entire way throughout the case, but he's also trying to subtly lead Phoenix into seeing the real truth behind the case, using everything he has in his power as a prosecutor to do so. He doesn't pull any punches or mince any words, because he knows Phoenix is at his most brilliant when backed into a corner.
 
Nothing in this category really measures up to the Kamiya rivalries—Another Joe, Jeanne, Prince Vorkken, maybe even Ninetails. Another Joe in particular stands out to me: you spend the whole game up to that point with a speed advantage, and suddenly you run into a fight that constantly has you on your toes, playing catch-up and being given a taste of what it was like for all the other enemies to face you.
 
A lot of platinum games do this well I feel.

Jeanne's rooftop fight at the endgame of Bayonetta was FANTASTIC, just a rush of good action as both equally matched fighters tried to take each other out.

I liked Vorkken too, except his fights were not as fun, mostly because of the framerate dip the game suffered, but activating hero time on him was more satisfying than activating witch time on Jeanne, in my opinion. Not to mention he was a funny contrast to Wonder Red. Wonder Red's thing was information, he knew the secret identities and operation areas of all Sentinels, and played things by the book, Vorkken couldn't even bother to get Planet Earth's name right.

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dat music

Also agree on Blue, was one of my favorites when I was a kid, it was done really well I feel.
 
I disagree with you buddy. Umbreon is proof that Blue loves his PokeMon - Eevee won't evolve unless it likes its trainer. I just think Blue is cocky.

That being said, I don't really care for this trope. It's kind of tired by now. Why is Japan so obsessed with rivals? Does anyone in the real world actually have someone they call their rival? The melodrama.

I've had a rival since I was born.

On topic. An especially absurd part of an absurd game.
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My pick goes to the Star wolf team from the Star Fox series:

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Admitably they were kinda lame in Assault & Command, with half-assed bossfights & being made into anti-heroes (bleh) but the version in SF64 will always be a God-tier boss battle.
 

majima (yazuza). more so in the earlier games than now...

he & kiryu have a great 'brotherly' relationship. majima knows he's not, & never will be, kiryu's equal, but damn if he just can't stop himself from trying to be anyway :) ...
 
majima (yazuza). more so in the earlier games than now...

he & kiryu have a great 'brotherly' relationship. majima knows he's not, & never will be, kiryu's equal, but damn if he just can't stop himself from trying anyway :) ...

Saejima stole him.

Also Saejima is probably the protagonist closest to Kiryu's strength.
 
Shadow the hedgehog. So cool he got his own spinoff game. The anti hero version of sonic. Plus he kicks silver in sonic 06.
 
Shadow the hedgehog. So cool he got his own spinoff game. The anti hero version of sonic. Plus he kicks silver in sonic 06.

You do injustice to that amazing moment in 06. He doesn't simply kick silver, he uses the Chaos Emeralds for their clearly abusive purpose.
 
In Fallout 2 there was a cut rival for you named Kaga who was the former chosen one exiled from your village. Over the course of the game he would face you multiple times. He got restored in the Restoration project.
 
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Shadow fills the rival role perfectly, almost to the point of hilarity at times. He is truly the Vegeta to Sonic's Goku, and I've always generally liked him. I like Shadow, man.


Runner-up for me is Silver, from Pokemon Silver and Gold:

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Even more of a prick than Blue in the beginning IMO. I did not like this dude AT ALL, and this fueled the rivalry over the course of the game for me till he started to be less of an asshole. 10 year old me really could not stand this motherfucker! But I really wanted to fight this guy, and pound his pokes.
 
Kyo and Iori are the only right answer.
Well at least during the 90s.
I don't think any rivalry since has topped it.
 
I disagree with you buddy. Umbreon is proof that Blue loves his PokeMon - Eevee won't evolve unless it likes its trainer. I just think Blue is cocky.

That being said, I don't really care for this trope. It's kind of tired by now. Why is Japan so obsessed with rivals? Does anyone in the real world actually have someone they call their rival? The melodrama.

I think it has to do with the old timey trope of red oni blue oni, or the dragon and tiger trope.

The idea of two characters being deferent sides of the same coin is interesting. The hero is hot blooded then the rival will be cold blooded. If the hero is responsible and reserved than the rival is brash and aggressive.

Some of the best fights in games are against rival characters. Dmc, MGS, Pokemon, Yakuza and Any game by platinum pull it off pretty well.
 
Rival in Gen 1 and 2 of pokemon really got under my skin as a kid

Although I guess Blue isn't so bad on subsequent playthroughs.

I named him after a real life rival of mine a few times.
 
Kain and Raziel from Legacy of Kain.

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The way their rivalry starts, develops, evolves and culminates is really well done, especially the part in LoK: Defiance where you
first fight Raziel while controlling Kain, then immediately take control of Raziel and fight Kain and defeat him, which broke my heart, even though deep down I knew he couldn't be dead... still, how I cheered when later you take control of Kain again. <3

#teamKain of course
 
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