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Robert Liefeld asked to draw a pouch

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Night_Trekker said:
Yeah, there are so many of them your brain kinda blocks them out at first :lol
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Holy shit, you're right. I've never EVER given it any thought before but I never ever realized just how many pouches was on everyone back in the day when I still subscribed to X-Force comics. His work always bothered me. I used to just think they were random pieces of metal/ammo/utility belt/something else that wasn't a pouch after acknowledging maybe the first 3 on someone's outfit.

Still does and it cracks me up to talk to illustration/sequential art students the world over. They hate him and others like him so much.
 
Forkball said:
Obama by Liefeld.

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Jesus, he can't even copy a picture of a real human.
 
VeritasVierge said:
Still does and it cracks me up to talk to illustration/sequential art students the world over. They hate him and others like him so much.
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With good reason. A lot of artists work hundreds of hours just to get anatomy correct, shadows correct, and they don't get anywhere because it's such a competitive area.

Rob Liefeld and his shitty art seems to be accepted, he gets paid a lot of money for doing something any one could do really. It's because of people like him that people think that it's ok to be mediocre.

How many years has he been doing it as well? Why hasn't he at least taken lessons or tried to draw things correctly? What's the point, he makes money out of it still.
 
dabookerman said:
With good reason. A lot of artists work hundreds of hours just to get anatomy correct, shadows correct, and they don't get anywhere because it's such a competitive area.

Rob Liefeld and his shitty art seems to be accepted, he gets paid a lot of money for doing something any one could do really. It's because of people like him that people think that it's ok to be mediocre.

How many years has he been doing it as well? Why hasn't he at least taken lessons or tried to draw things correctly? What's the point, he makes money out of it still.
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Yeah. I was an illustrator that left it and became an animator (mostly 3D). In the 10 years since, it still doesn't cease to amaze me just how many people hate him for what you stated. He makes it look like it's OK to be mediocre in a field where I have seen very talented people fail to get work. I have a few friends that used to do pencils for Marvel (one now works for DC) and there is no easier way to piss them off. Just mention this guy. :lol

I do wish there was more scrutiny about his work. It's not the 1990s anymore where it was accepted which was a decade that gave us gems like the Dark Stalkers cartoon and GI Joe Extreme.
 
Sir Fragula said:
Holy shit that second one is awesome! Love the "game" section - would definitely play it.
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Yeah, I was reading that myself too. Really interesting stuff, I'd like to see how the story finishes.
 
Some wannabe Beyonce sang national anthem.... This is the Lakers dammit, and Liefelds in the house tonight...get the real Beyonce
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I love the irony. A man who is infamous for copying others complaining about another copy artist.

Also: "Heads up, Dr. King!" o.O 0.0
 
dabookerman said:
Even if most of Nomura's designs are shit, at least he can draw characters properly
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Who is this nomura guy ? One of the Final Fantasy character designer ?
 
dabookerman said:
How many years has he been doing it as well? Why hasn't he at least taken lessons or tried to draw things correctly? What's the point, he makes money out of it still.
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Yeah, this is kinda what shocks me. I'm an artist who collected comics back in the days when he did X-Force. If I compare what I drew back then to what I draw now, it would be like night and day. I can't fathom how he has gone this long without showing noticeable improvement. Any artist I know will take note of his shortcomings and work on them. By either taking classes/lessons or just focusing on those areas that need it.
 
Fersis said:
Who is this nomura guy ? One of the Final Fantasy character designer ?
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Yeah, essentially every young/teen character he designs pretty much have the same head shape, but with different hairstyles and minor details.. Man or Woman.
Plus, his designs are straight out of the Shibuya fashion district.
But that's just a simple opinion of mine, and does not detract him from being a very good artist.

Rob Liefeld is just awful.

Yeah, this is kinda what shocks me. I'm an artist who collected comics back in the days when he did X-Force. If I compare what I drew back then to what I draw now, it would be like night and day. I can't fathom how he has gone this long without showing noticeable improvement. Any artist I know will take note of his shortcomings and work on them. By either taking classes/lessons or just focusing on those areas that need it.
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Because he isn't an artist, he's a hack. Almost every artist I know would listen to any criticisms no matter what they may be, and try to improve upon them. Art is always about self improvement and seeking perfection in whatever area of art you wish to pursue.
I was fairly ignorant of anatomy back when I started drawing. I was a lazy arse. Now I pay a shit load of attention to my edge flows and anatomy, and always make sure they are perfect.

It amazes me how this anything wrong with what he does. He kind of reminds me of this guy: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=43&t=648879
 
I don't know why there's so much hate for Rob LieField. I know his art isn't perfect, but it's still leagues better than 90% of the other comics out there imo. Is it the artstyle in general because it was quite popular at the time. I'm curious what you guys think about other artists from his days at Marvel like Marc Silvestri, Whilce Portacio, Greg Capullo, etc. I guess I don't get it.
 
Alan Moore interviewed about working with Liefeld:

Alan Moore said:
"Judgement Day would have worked, but for some reason Rob Liefeld wanted to do the bulk of the art himself, and that kind of--I mean, there were some great artists working on that, but I don't really think that Rob Liefeld was one of them."

(He killed his own book?)

"Yeah, yeah... I was pleased with the script, and it kind of made sense and if there were other decent artists handling the linking sections, it would have worked. But, you know, Rob Liefeld never seemed to put any enthusiasm into any of these drawings; he wouldn't put enough backgrounds or anything like that. It was pointless writing scripts for him because he'd just ignore most of them because he wanted to do the easiest, simplest thing."
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MadOdorMachine said:
I don't know why there's so much hate for Rob LieField. I know his art isn't perfect, but it's still leagues better than 90% of the other comics out there imo. Is it the artstyle in general because it was quite popular at the time. I'm curious what you guys think about other artists from his days at Marvel like Marc Silvestri, Whilce Portacio, Greg Capullo, etc. I guess I don't get it.
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90%???? Are you serious O_O.

Wow...
 
MadOdorMachine said:
I don't know why there's so much hate for Rob LieField. I know his art isn't perfect, but it's still leagues better than 90% of the other comics out there imo. Is it the artstyle in general because it was quite popular at the time. I'm curious what you guys think about other artists from his days at Marvel like Marc Silvestri, Whilce Portacio, Greg Capullo, etc. I guess I don't get it.
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I'm honestly having trouble thinking of even one comic artist that's worse or more apathetic than Liefeld.
 
spyshagg said:
Shit
I never realized I had potential to become famous until I saw this thread.

Now I just have to quit my job and start drawing again :lol



you guys should go to Conceptart.org

There are spectacular comics there
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=152496 <-- Fuck me in the ass.
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123338 <-- ...dont stop now! OMG
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Some terrifically talented people walk this planet. Read the whole comic in the second link. Amazed by the artwork on that site. You need to be seriously creative to even come up with that stuff, let alone being able to put it on paper or any other medium.
 
MadOdorMachine said:
I don't know why there's so much hate for Rob LieField. I know his art isn't perfect, but it's still leagues better than 90% of the other comics out there imo. Is it the artstyle in general because it was quite popular at the time. I'm curious what you guys think about other artists from his days at Marvel like Marc Silvestri, Whilce Portacio, Greg Capullo, etc. I guess I don't get it.
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Begone or be destroyed. :lol
 
MadOdorMachine said:
I don't know why there's so much hate for Rob LieField. I know his art isn't perfect, but it's still leagues better than 90% of the other comics out there imo. Is it the artstyle in general because it was quite popular at the time. I'm curious what you guys think about other artists from his days at Marvel like Marc Silvestri, Whilce Portacio, Greg Capullo, etc. I guess I don't get it.
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Ok, What it is you do for a living?
 
dabookerman said:
With good reason. A lot of artists work hundreds of hours just to get anatomy correct, shadows correct, and they don't get anywhere because it's such a competitive area.

Rob Liefeld and his shitty art seems to be accepted, he gets paid a lot of money for doing something any one could do really. It's because of people like him that people think that it's ok to be mediocre.

How many years has he been doing it as well? Why hasn't he at least taken lessons or tried to draw things correctly? What's the point, he makes money out of it still.
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One thing that needs to be said is that Liefeld is not really rich or famous anymore. He torpedoed his career back in '97 or so when he was kicked out of Image for using his power to write company cheques as a co-founder to cover personal debts.

He came back to Marvel to do the Captain America stuff he's become internet-famous for. Him and Jim Lee & Whilce Portacio all came back to do a year of Marvel stuff, and while the other guys mostly finished theirs, Liefeld only managed about 3 atrocious issues in that year, the book was canceled and Liefeld was declared persona non-grata at Marvel for a long time.

Liefeld was pretty much stuck with working for his own company Awesome Comics, which fell apart because he was the only attraction after Moore gave up working with him but he wasn't drawing anything. Pretty soon all his freelancers quit because he couldn't pay them.

These days he churns out one or two issues a year, maybe a cover or two. He tried a comeback with DC doing Teen Titans but nobody cared. He's just as big a joke within the comics industry as he is in this thread, and much of the industry output of the end of the 90s/early 2000s was a direct reaction against the Image house style and Liefeld in particular. Try reading Kingdom Come, it's a direct critique of that stuff.
 
LiveFromKyoto said:
Liefeld was pretty much stuck with working for his own company Awesome Comics, which fell apart because he was the only attraction after Moore gave up working with him but he wasn't drawing anything. Pretty soon all his freelancers quit because he couldn't pay them.
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IIRC, Moore didn't "give up working with" Awesome Comics; it collapsed for various business reasons, with much of Moore's work for the company left unpublished. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
LiveFromKyoto said:
One thing that needs to be said is that Liefeld is not really rich or famous anymore. He torpedoed his career back in '97 or so when he was kicked out of Image for using his power to write company cheques as a co-founder to cover personal debts.

He came back to Marvel to do the Captain America stuff he's become internet-famous for. Him and Jim Lee & Whilce Portacio all came back to do a year of Marvel stuff, and while the other guys mostly finished theirs, Liefeld only managed about 3 atrocious issues in that year, the book was canceled and Liefeld was declared persona non-grata at Marvel for a long time.

Liefeld was pretty much stuck with working for his own company Awesome Comics, which fell apart because he was the only attraction after Moore gave up working with him but he wasn't drawing anything. Pretty soon all his freelancers quit because he couldn't pay them.

These days he churns out one or two issues a year, maybe a cover or two. He tried a comeback with DC doing Teen Titans but nobody cared. He's just as big a joke within the comics industry as he is in this thread, and much of the industry output of the end of the 90s/early 2000s was a direct reaction against the Image house style and Liefeld in particular. Try reading Kingdom Come, it's a direct critique of that stuff.
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Not that I like shitting on people's failures, but bravo.
Maybe if he put some effort into the art he "loves doing" then he would never have gone down the shitter.
 
DMczaf said:
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Holy Shit! Where do you get the idea for something like that?

It reminds me of this.

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Ah, a superb choice. In volume two Radioactive Man travels through time to defeat Jesse Owen in the 1936 Olympic Games.
 
All artists rip off other artists. But what we've got here, is a case in which Liefelds art is so bad, he can't cover up the rip off. That's what makes him as pathetic as he is. When a comic legend such as John Byrne, Walt Simonson, Jim Lee, or whomever, can take something from someone else & replicate it in their own work and no one else knows? Then that shows just by that ability alone, that they are superior in every way from Rob Liefeld. That sheer fact that his art is just horrible on top of it, is comedy in and of itself. Looking at work done by Liefeld when he actually tries to draw as good as he can is like watching a morbidly obese woman try to belly dance. It's sad but you can't help but look in disbelief as to what's happening.
 
DarkJediKnight said:
Liefeld's wife is a triplet. The chick from Saved by the Bell is one of her sisters. I wonder if he's had a threesome. He had to think it sometimes. :lol
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*googles*

Holy shit-balls, you're not kidding. Weird.
 
I have no interest whatsoever in comics, and had no idea who this Liefeld is, but my god, this is the best thread in weeks. :lol :lol


I especially like how he makes his "muscled men" just look like old fat asses. :lol
 
SecretBonusPoint said:
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I wonder if Liefeld ever wondered what they kept in all those pouches. Cakes and things? Tasty treats for the action packed life of a commando mutant? How would they know what pouch is what?
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It's the new belts and zippers!



Also, I don't get the feet thing. No doubt it's about him tracing them?
 
MadOdorMachine said:
I don't know why there's so much hate for Rob LieField. I know his art isn't perfect, but it's still leagues better than 90% of the other comics out there imo. Is it the artstyle in general because it was quite popular at the time. I'm curious what you guys think about other artists from his days at Marvel like Marc Silvestri, Whilce Portacio, Greg Capullo, etc. I guess I don't get it.
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When he hit the scene he brought a "swagger" with him that was needed for comics. He saved the trash that was the New Mutants... But Rob Liefeld is a shitty artist, not a bad idea guy, but a shitty shitty artist. Marc is awesome, Whilce, while looking like a hobo in most of his pictures, is a wonderful artist and his layouts are top notch.

One guy who doesn't get enough hate is Erik Larson... that guy is a hack. I will admit that his Venom was awesome.. but he is a hack..
 
DarkJediKnight said:
Liefeld's wife is a triplet. The chick from Saved by the Bell is one of her sisters. I wonder if he's had a threesome. He had to think it sometimes. :lol
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He definitely makes her sister (his wife) wear the leather jacket.
 
dabookerman said:
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:lol
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yeah,he is from Chicago and was on the Obama wagon. I think he has a comic cover where Savage Dragon endores Obama as well..
 
Blackace said:
yeah,he is from Chicago and was on the Obama wagon. I think he has a comic cover where Savage Dragon endores Obama as well..
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Do you have any bad examples (or good examples for that matter) of his art?
 
dabookerman said:
Do you have any bad examples (or good examples for that matter) of his art?
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Well most of his characters are upside down triangles. I think it is the fact that his buff characters have shoulder muscles is what really bothers the hell out of me. Plus he is another "rock star" type of artist in the same mold as Liefeld...

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my name is ed said:
prepare for some Take Out Bandit hate coming your way
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I liked him on Spidey.. but man, is a hack of a writer and his characters are shitty. In person he has that "cocky and funny" persona that makes you want to cave in his nose
 
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