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Rock Lee should have won

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Against Gaara. Seriously. I've been re watching Naruto and Lee really got gipped in his fight against Gaara. Lee pulls out all his strongest moves, which easily eclipse the moves that Naruto used against Gaara (aside from Bunta). Lee could have won the fight agaiinst Gaara and they still could have had Naruto fight Gaara later after turning into Shukaku. The worst part is after he loses he just gets fucking sidelined for the rest of the series. Lee needed more screentime, his fighting style is so cool.

I needed to rant about this.
 
Against Gaara. Seriously. I've been re watching Naruto and Lee really got gipped in his fight against Gaara. Lee pulls out all his strongest moves, which easily eclipse the moves that Naruto used against Gaara (aside from Bunta). Lee could have won the fight agaiinst Gaara and they still could have had Naruto fight Gaara later after turning into Shukaku. The worst part is after he loses he just gets fucking sidelined for the rest of the series. Lee needed more screentime, his fighting style is so cool.

I needed to rant about this.
Yeah...The oddest thing about him losing
is that once he has unlocked his potential he is surely (I think) hitting harder than even Naruto was when he did finally beat Gaara.
But for some reason Gaara's sand around his skin protects Gaara better against the stronger Lee than the weaker Naruto.
 
Naruto sucks at handling it's side characters. Lee gets maybe one or two good moments later on, but that's it. Other characters have it even worse.
 
That gourd bullshit pisses me off to this day

Fucking dumb

Also 8 gates Guy wasn't done enough justice. KISHIMOTOOOOOOOOOO
 
Naw, Gaara put Lee in his place.
 
Naruto sucks at handling it's side characters. Lee gets maybe one or two good moments later on, but that's it. Other characters have it even worse.
Agreed. Outside of Shikamaru, they give their side characters shit stories and development. But Shikamaru has a great arc in Shippuden. And what sucks is they try so hard to make us care about others...but you just can't do that when you're trying to force 20+ character stories in side-by-side.
 
Naruto is a series where inborn talent and ancestry trumps skill every time. It wouldn't be right for Rock Lee to succeed in such a world. (I am basing this entirely on the anime. I didn't see much of the second series...)

Too bad Naruto already had Sasuke. Gaara was the better antihero.
 
One of the best fights in anime ever, Lee would have would whooped any of the other rookies ass. Its just bad luck that he got matched against a dude that's perfect against taijutsu.

Shit was so amazing
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Yeah. I can't disagree. The whole series peaked with the Chunin exams. Jiraiya and Pain's arc was pretty decent too but it really goes downhill after the chunin exams. Rock Lee v Gaara fight was the best though.
 
Naruto is a series where inborn talent and ancestry trumps skill every time. It wouldn't be right for Rock Lee to succeed in such a world. (I am basing this entirely on the anime. I didn't see much of the second series...)

Too bad Naruto already had Sasuke. Gaara was the better antihero.
I think you're absolutely right about the first part...I can't even think of a single powerful good guy in the show who didn't have a powerful ass ancestor.

And Naruto is good...but yeah, Gaara is the better antihero. His past kind of puts Naruto's to shame. I'd rather have dead parents than
parents who tried to murder me
. Makes the billion Naruto crying-on-a-swing flashbacks make him look like a sissy in comparison.

Yeah. I can't disagree. The whole series peaked with the Chunin exams. Jiraiya and Pain's arc was pretty decent too but it really goes downhill after the chunin exams. Rock Lee v Gaara fight was the best though.

It was good, but you gotta give love to Sakura's fight
vs Sasori
 
]I think you're absolutely right about the first part...I can't even think of a single powerful good bye in the show who didn't have a powerful ass ancestor.
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And Naruto is good...but yeah, Gaara is the better antihero. His past kind of puts Naruto's to shame. I'd rather have dead parents than
parents who tried to murder me
. Makes the billion Naruto crying-on-a-swing flashbacks make him look like a sissy in comparison.

Jiraiya
Orochimaru
Minato
Gai
 
Everyone knows Rock Lee is the Yamcha of the series, so no , he is doomed to be a failure forever.

One of my favorite fights in the whole anime for sure.
 
Naruto sucks at handling it's side characters. Lee gets maybe one or two good moments later on, but that's it. Other characters have it even worse.
No doubt. Even Sasuke and Sakura were screwed over. Its just a damn shame that so many interesting characters were introduced and neglected.
 
I waited until the last fight to get something on the level of Gaara vs Rock Lee but no dice...
Chunnin exam truly was the best thing that came out of the entire franchise.
Only thing that came close was Jiraiya vs Pain.
 
Yeah. I can't disagree. The whole series peaked with the Chunin exams. Jiraiya and Pain's arc was pretty decent too but it really goes downhill after the chunin exams. Rock Lee v Gaara fight was the best though.

i think the sasuke retrieval arc was better, but chuunin exams might have come out on top if lee had won

edit: this might change during my rewatch though since I havent finished part 1 yet

One of the best fights in anime ever, Lee would have would whooped any of the other rookies ass. Its just bad luck that he got matched against a dude that's perfect against taijutsu.

Shit was so amazing
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agreed

when lee takes those weights off >>>>>

gaara apparently isn't the best against taijutsu though because naruto beats him with a headbutt (and damages him with 2k barrage)

Naruto sucks at handling it's side characters. Lee gets maybe one or two good moments later on, but that's it. Other characters have it even worse.

I really wish the side characters were handled better, especially Lee, Neji, and Hinata. I would have loved to see more arcs that fleshed out their characters

edit: also Orochimaru. Did we even get a conclusion to his story?
 
I waited until the last fight to get something on the level of Gaara vs Rock Lee but no dice...
Chunnin exam truly was the best thing that came out of the entire franchise.
Only thing that came close was Jiraiya vs Pain.

Breh Naruto vs. Pain was fucking godlike
 
Indeed, easily the weakest aspect of Naruto.

I think you're absolutely right about the first part...I can't even think of a single powerful good guy in the show who didn't have a powerful ass ancestor.

And Naruto is good...but yeah, Gaara is the better antihero. His past kind of puts Naruto's to shame. I'd rather have dead parents than
parents who tried to murder me
. Makes the billion Naruto crying-on-a-swing flashbacks make him look like a sissy in comparison.



It was good, but you gotta give love to Sakura's fight
vs Sasori
Oh damn. I forgot somehow. Chiyo and Sakura forever in my heart.
 
Rock Lee had the best fights in the series. Straight up hand to hand fights from what I remember, no garbage ninjutsu spam or whatever.
 
Nah, it's easily one of the most dramatic and action-packed moments of the series. The troubling part is that
it heavily implied that Guy Sensei should've died when he unlocked all gates
 
Rock Lee had the best fight in the series.

fixed

I think you're absolutely right about the first part...I can't even think of a single powerful good guy in the show who didn't have a powerful ass ancestor

Jiraiya
Sarutobi
Guy
Kakashi
Minato

Naruto is a series where inborn talent and ancestry trumps skill every time. It wouldn't be right for Rock Lee to succeed in such a world. (I am basing this entirely on the anime. I didn't see much of the second series...)

Too bad Naruto already had Sasuke. Gaara was the better antihero.

I kind of wish Sasuke didn't go bad. I really liked when he and naruto had a semi friendly rivalry, and i think it would have been cool to see them become progressively better at working as a team over the course of the series.
 
Jiraiya
Sarutobi
Guy
Kakashi
Minato
Do we know any of these people's parents? Or does it never go into them? I honestly can't remember. But either way, yeah. These are probably good examples. Especially Jiraiya.
I kind of wish Sasuke didn't go bad. I really liked when he and naruto had a semi friendly rivalry, and i think it would have been cool to see them become progressively better at working as a team over the course of the series.
I wouldn't have minded it so much if they would've waited a bit longer. It happened way too damn fast that Sasuke went to the dark side. It'd make Naruto's constant search for him more touching if they'd built up that relationship and partnership longer. If you think about it though, they really weren't friends that long before Sasuke took off.
 
Do we know any of these people's parents? Or does it never go into them? I honestly can't remember. But either way, yeah. These are probably good examples. Especially Jiraiya.

Kakashi's dad was the White Fang, pretty powerful but not like super powered. Guy's dad could only do the 8 gates jutsu, and I think he might have created it? That wasn't really clear for me.

The others aren;t mentioned, but Jiraiya is mentioned as once being a failure like Naruto, so he's a pretty prime example.
 
Ey, show never really recovered from it's Chuunin exam high points, and Lee had the best fights.

Also when Lee went drunken fist, I geeked out.

The Rock Lee character totally undercut any sort of narrative of Naruto being an underdog for the rest of the series.

Yes, and hell, once they confirmed Naruto linage, it completely destroyed it really. He wasn't just random unlucky kid working to better himself, meh.
 
Naruto is a series where inborn talent and ancestry trumps skill every time. It wouldn't be right for Rock Lee to succeed in such a world. (I am basing this entirely on the anime. I didn't see much of the second series...)

Too bad Naruto already had Sasuke. Gaara was the better antihero.

It just gets worse in part 2.

edit: also Orochimaru. Did we even get a conclusion to his story?

Manga spoilers
Yes, Naruto just lets him continuing to do his thing while maintaining a neutral relationship between both.

Jiraiya
Sarutobi
Guy
Kakashi
Minato
Kakashi dad was actually a really famous ninja.
 
Every named ninja in Naruto was famous or had a famous lineage. The real underdogs are those poor mooks who get slaughtered whenever shit hits the fan.
 
1. Gaara v Rock Lee
2. Sasori v Chiyo/Sakura
3. Naruto v Pain
4. Jiraiya v Pain
5. Team 7 v Zabuza
6. Orochimaru v Third Hokage
7. Sasuke v Danzo (Best Sasuke Fight IMO)
8. Sasuke v Itachi
9. Sasuke/Naruto v Haku
10. New team 10(kakashi) v Kakuzu and Hidan

Some of the latter fights are good but my overall displeasure with the series direction reflects poorly on them.
 
Rock Lee was the hero of the masses. The hokage we deserve.

I ended having some more fun with his comedy side series than what Naruto became, though I would have loved to just have a Rock Lee series a la Naruto, the real underdog in a world full of Ninjitsu freaks all over and just kick ass in creative ways.
 
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