JehutyRunner
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Rocket League the next big E-Sport?
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I'm not talking about pool shots I'm saying when you both hit the ball at the same time on say a type off or jump ball the ball does what it wants, again watch kronovi Gibbs it happens a ton.
Holundrian
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But why would I watch this instead of soccer? Not to say it has no place, but to me it just doesn't look that interesting.
Every competitive game I really liked following had huge emphasis on strategy instead of pure skill, might just not be my cup of tea.
Every competitive game I really liked following had huge emphasis on strategy instead of pure skill, might just not be my cup of tea.
ActStriker
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You mean the ball does unexpected things when two people hit the ball in different ways?
No way.
thoseAREmySHOES
Member
My god, that match in the OP is insane.
Unexpected as in luck or chance based? For a major part of the game? No way!
Matrix XII
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Rocket League would make for an excellent eSport.
I think it would be very engaging and fun to watch.
I think it would be very engaging and fun to watch.
Unexpected as in unexpected.
Again meaning you have no skill based control over it, making it chance dependant, and that happens a ton.
ActStriker
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You make it sound like the game just picks a random direction for a ball to go in when two people hit it at the same time.
There's a chance of this happening even if two professional soccer/futbol players kick a ball at the exact same time. The skill portion of it is "don't let two people hit it at the same time"
Also this.
You don't have control over it is what I'm driving at.
For the record I'm talking mostly 1v1
ActStriker
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You don't control what your opponent does either.
You're not going to have very good control over anything if someone else is hitting it the same time you hit it.
Apollo Cree
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theAntagonist
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So I finished watching the games in the OP, and HOLY SHIT at that game winning goal at the end of game 3. I thought it was crazy that Kronovi was able to tie it up with 30 seconds left, but then Kings of Urban was able to score with no time on the clock by keeping the ball juggled in the air. Simply incredible, and is one of the defining reasons as to why this game has so much potential.
Apollo Cree
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We all get it. It's being disregarded because it's a weak argument.
would love for them to fly over Pablo Ramirez to do Spanish commentary. 
https://youtu.be/f1BJwYHa8ko
https://youtu.be/f1BJwYHa8ko
K so kronovi vs Gibbs with all the luck based goals and even kronovi saying so didn't happen then.
ilikesanta
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Games like this make for a better spectator experience then a FPS.
bananafactory
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Luck happens in sports. Pucks and balls take weird bounces and deflect, often unpredictability. It's part of the sport, and it's part of Rocket League. All that matters is the physics in the game operate consistently and obey their own rules.
The majority of goals scored at a high level are still the result of skill.
Apollo Cree
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Nothing is unpredictable when it comes to sports. Human processing times are lacking but the rules of gravitational physics are pretty well defined. The physics of Rocket League are defined as well. There's no luck. There are only actions happening faster than humans can process.
Listen I agree, however this is an e sport and if it has too much luck it may not gain too much traction. I prefaced by saying I could be wrong, but I wasbbasing that off the fact that in kronovi vs Gibbs the number 1 and 2 players in the world, having the same luck based issues happens weird bounce from collision to wide open net, tip off met at exact same time and Gibbs rolls over ball and kronovi comes out clean wide open. I'm just saying its got a lot of luck when it comes to the 1v1, which may hamper it, where say quake 3, fatal1ty, either wins it or blows it.
LOL uhh sure dude, people man to smash into the ball as everyone else does and have it bounce of the ceiling and in.
Edit- also videogame physics are fare from perfect.
The best Rocket League player in the world was in the finals and was wrecking everyone in his path, almost pulled an amazing come from behind win, and it took a last second skilled-as-fuck team play to beat him in the end. I don't think luck is a huge game changer in Rocket League. You're vastly over estimating the luck factor of the game for very specific scenarios in my opinion. Also it's not like Rocket League resorts to RNG for simultaneous hits on the ball - you're basically arguing that Rocket League's math isn't math enough for you.
Again I said 1v1 in this case. Teams often side step these issues such as tipoff stuff.
Here's how skill comes into play for that. Don't let simultaneous hits happen in 1v1.
Apollo Cree
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Take a wet bar of soap and sandwich it with your fists. Tell me what happens.
They're rigidly defined (barring any glitches).
Yea the game with RNG bullets in the spray pattern doesn't involve any luck circumstances like that looooooooool
K which channel can I find the world championship of soap squeezing? You've missed the point again.
I agree with this, easier said than dine, but I imagine as people get better it'll happen less often. I'm just saying this more in surprise at just how little control kronovi and Gibbs had at times.
bananafactory
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Yup. 1v1 is at least as much about risk vs reward and knowing when to go for the ball or back off as it is about how good your shooting abilities are
That called physics, and there's nothing wrong with it. If two people kick a soccer ball at the same time there's no telling where it's going to go.
Umm it does in lower tiers, but the higher tier players control those spray pattern which are consistent. It also doesn't play a factor as often as what I'm referring to.
Ong I know lol, I've already said its about frequency not its existence, every single thing involves luck in life at least to an extent.
Then what are you even arguing?
Did you not read my post? How often luck plays a factor may turn people away.
Well we've already concluded that it isn't luck, just the nature of physics. And no. If anything is going to turn people away it won't be that the opening play is difficult to control because two of the best players in the world are going after the ball at the same time. Just as the tip off in basketball doesn't stop people from enjoying that game, and multiple people going after the same ball in soccer doesn't stop it from being the most popular sport in the world.
You're argument just doesn't make any sense.
Apollo Cree
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The argument is that this doesn't happen in real sports? Real sports have these kinds of collisions. The only difference is that a soccer ball colliding with the roof removes it from play. The same goes for hockey.
You can't control RNG man. I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're not too familiar with the game. It's ok, you're Q3 example actually worked you should have just said that only. CS:GO is a random game.
Dangansona
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Annnnddd case closed.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Of course Kronovi is in the finals. Of course!
Yeah because scoring directly off the tip off happens so often in the NBA and it gets reset every single time somebody scores. Bad analogy.
No it isn't! Lol. its the frequency and how much it affects the game. In the NBA a blocked shot doesn't ricochet in, same with the NHL. Could it happen or has it? Yes/maybe, but it doesn't happen often enough. If it happened multiple times per hockey game I can guarantee you that would turn people away.
Edit-and again you're focusing on team sports where I'm more focused on the 1v1 aspect.
And of course he won! Oh, wait...
Icyflamez96
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I'm getting where you're coming from, and I think you established it would only really be an issue in 1v1. At least in regards to the beginning tip off part.
I don't think it will be so much of an issue that it would prevent RL from becoming a viable e-sport though. As much as I think 1v1 is the best game type, I thought the community generally had their focus on 2v2 or 3v3 anyway?
I don't think it will be so much of an issue that it would prevent RL from becoming a viable e-sport though. As much as I think 1v1 is the best game type, I thought the community generally had their focus on 2v2 or 3v3 anyway?
Apollo Cree
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If it happened frequently in those games, they would be played differently. Rocket League players don't have to smash into each other like mountain goats.
Ingueferroque
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They need to figure out some sort of spectating camera that works.