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Rogue One In Even Bigger Trouble, New Director Being Brought In

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Screaming @ this. I had this mess clocked from the day the trailer launched.

Yet there are STILL people who believe Rogue One(out of 5 stars) is going to beat Civil War for top film of 2016??????

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Shit post, far too many question marks, attempt at witty word play..
Yep joke character.
 
The the thing has me the most worried about all this is the idea that the Disney suits want the one-off movies to be pretty much in line tonally with the main movies. I was hoping these movies would be for giving different writers/directors the keys to the universe to go out and do different, weird shit, not just more of the same.

(After seeing Godzilla, I'm also willing to accept that in its current state, Rogue One may have just plain sucked.)
 
The the thing has me the most worried about all this is the idea that the Disney suits want the one-off movies to be pretty much in line tonally with the main movies. I was hoping these movies would be for giving different writers/directors the keys to the universe to go out and do different, weird shit, not just more of the same.

(After seeing Godzilla, I'm also willing to accept that in its current state, Rogue One may have just plain sucked.)

The EW article - where the author has actually spoken to Lucasfilm employees - indicates it definitely isn't trying to stay in line with the main movies. It's supposed to be a more traditional war film.
 
"That being said, the footage we saw in the first trailer really did look excellent"

It...did? Saw Civil War last night and Rogue One's trailer got me 0% interested in seeing it.
 
The "character building" posts are like echo.

You're fairly consistent with the notion that Edwards is being hijacked, despite the clarifications stating otherwise.

There's a weird inclination on the part of film fans in the last 5 years to believe a movie's trip from page to screen is somehow fraudulent unless it sails through production/post-production without anyone but the director laying hands on it. As if the concept of revisions is poison to "true" creativity.

A film's first cut is almost always painful to sit through. Even the best directors see shit they need to pull out, discard, reshoot, and reinsert to make sure the story works the way it needs to, and often a storyteller will notice what they thought it was going to be when they started isn't at all what it needs to be in order to work.

So when stories about reshoots hit, everyone immediately turns it into a behind-the-scenes soap opera pitting the evil executives against the angelic creatives, and while film history is littered with examples of that very thing happening, it also contains a multitude of examples wherein the executives and the creatives are actually working together, collaborating in the hopes of making the best possible film.

Suggesting that the only "real" version of the film is the first draft is weird. It is a really warped, inaccurate reflection of reality.
 
You're fairly consistent with the notion that Edwards is being hijacked, despite the clarifications stating otherwise.

There's a weird inclination on the part of film fans in the last 5 years to believe a movie's trip from page to screen is somehow fraudulent unless it sails through production/post-production without anyone but the director laying hands on it. As if the concept of revisions is poison to "true" creativity.

A film's first cut is almost always painful to sit through. Even the best directors see shit they need to pull out, discard, reshoot, and reinsert to make sure the story works the way it needs to, and often a storyteller will notice what they thought it was going to be when they started isn't at all what it needs to be in order to work.

So when stories about reshoots hit, everyone immediately turns it into a behind-the-scenes soap opera pitting the evil executives against the angelic creatives, and while film history is littered with examples of that very thing happening, it also contains a multitude of examples wherein the executives and the creatives are actually working together, collaborating in the hopes of making the best possible film.

Suggesting that the only "real" version of the film is the first draft is weird. It is a really warped, inaccurate reflection of reality.

Pretty much. It's the same with any creative medium. Writing and music come to mind.
 
I know this is kind of off-topic, but I still don't understand this new trend of giving really expensive franchise tentpoles to relatively young, unproven directors. It was weird with Jurassic World, and it's weird now.

I mean, I guess you can say Godzilla was successful.

It's always happened. That or 'journeymen' directors who are steady hands

With a younger semi unproven director you get someone who's easier to push in certain directions. VS a seasoned director who will have opinions on how things should be done.
 
Pretty much. It's the same with any creative medium. Writing and music come to mind.

Definitely. As I pointed out in the last thread, there's a weird sort of irony going on with a lot of these doomsaying articles trying to hammer the idea that edits/reshoots/revisions are inherently problematic within an article that was, itself, (hopefully, if the outlet is worth a shit) edited and revised following notes from higher-ups at the publication being handed down.
 
Edwards was doing it? I wonder if the issue was that there was only 1 minute of Darth Vader on screen and the rest of the movie was hyping him up with bland and uninteresting characters.
 
The strangest part of these reports is that they exist at all. SW7's production was a mystery up until it's release week, yet Rogue One's shaky progress is being diligently reported, which can't be good for public perception.
 
I just looked it up and apparently Godzilla was in the original movie for 8:44 and the newest movie for 9:56, since you mentioned it. Of course, screen time doesn't matter much when determining quality, but this guy made a bunch of interesting graphs for the whole series: http://dszmigiel.kinja.com/60-years-of-the-godzilla-franchise-in-infographics-1689162413

I like Godzilla '14 (and love the Godzilla franchise) but I agree that the running time versus Godzilla time is an important thing to consider. I think showing that first fight in '14 (the one that is teased on the TV screens in the background) would probably have improved the film considering it is two hours long and the human element isn't all that interesting.
 
Me and everyone else.

If the trailer that gets shown at celebration has Darth Vader in it? Yeah, this movie's going north of 400 mil.

That's the amazing thing about The Force Awakens: This film could make less than half of that film's domestic total and still wind up north of $400mil domestic.

(Unless it has the same problem as Edwards' other two films, which is that everything looks great, and is paced decently, but his characters just fucking stand there and mouth words at each other ineffectually. Which is apparently what these reshoots are trying to fix)
 
If the trailer that gets shown at celebration has Darth Vader in it? Yeah, this movie's going north of 400 mil.

That's the amazing thing about The Force Awakens: This film could make less than half of that film's domestic total and still wind up north of $400mil domestic.

(Unless it has the same problem as Edwards' other two films, which is that everything looks great, and is paced decently, but his characters just fucking stand there and mouth words at each other ineffectually. Which is apparently what these reshoots are trying to fix)

The best things Abrams does is steal Cameron's 'shit always has to move' philosophy. I know that grates on some people, but shit like Kirk getting a medical/finding out info about Klingon attacks is much more fun when the characters are moving around rather than stood in a room talking casually.
 
Gilroy is one of Edwards' previous collaborators. We already knew he was brought in to do 2nd unit stuff. I think this article is misrepresenting things we already knew.
 
This is how good movies happen. Totes.

Also, just stop quoting Latino review, they know fuck all about anything.
 
I just looked it up and apparently Godzilla was in the original movie for 8:44 and the newest movie for 9:56, since you mentioned it. Of course, screen time doesn't matter much when determining quality, but this guy made a bunch of interesting graphs for the whole series: http://dszmigiel.kinja.com/60-years-of-the-godzilla-franchise-in-infographics-1689162413

*Saves* thats a nice chart

And at least with Godzilla 2014, when Godzilla isn't on screen there's still MUTOs to fill the kaiju hole
 
They should really get the main trilogy finished before running the franchise into the ground with these side movies. A young Han Solo film is coming ffs, wtf is that....
 
Well Mad Max had tons of production drama and it turned out great. But assuming the rumors are true it's not possible to do the reshoots and finish the project in six months, especially in a movie that relies so much on CGI.
 
All I wanted was a good Star Wars film with Donnie Yen and Mads Mikkelsen, and it should be considered a federal crime if this can't happen
 
Naive Bronson... Your on the rumor train forever and ever and ever and ever... And... Ev...eeee...erz

Nah I give zero fucks about Star Wars

Well Mad Max had tons of production drama and it turned out great. But assuming the rumors are true it's not possible to do the reshoots and finish the project in six months, especially in a movie that relies so much on CGI.

Mad Max should've been a complete dumpster fire
Instead we somehow got the best movie of 2015 out of it
 
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