oh like what clinton did in 2008?
It's especially funny that at least Bernie didn't stay in the race in the hope of Clinton being assassinated...
Clinton said:
"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. " I don't understand it," Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-rfk-comment/
Data theft, his team did wrong, and he played victim and attacked the DNC, instead of accepting responsibility
I wonder why the FBI didn't step in to investigate this data theft... Probably because there is an actual contract and there was no data theft. A firewall went down and someone who was personally recommended by the DNC made a copy of data from the Clinton campaign and was promptly fired.
The DNC overeached and stopped access to the voter files which was against their contractual obligations to the Bernie campaign - had he sued them for money he would have easily won the case.
My first indication that A) He had incompetent Staff and B) He is unable to take responsibility and may in fact lack integrity
We are talking in a post-Trump world. If there is anyone with incompetent staff it's the candidate that lost to Trump.
That was a huge moment for me because it was the first time I got an indication of who Bernie Sanders the candidate was, prior to that I had thought of him solely as a set of ideas if that makes sense.
So the shift began, I still agreed with ideas but started to think that he might not be the right person to put them into action.
Then he completely lost me with the Planned Parenthood fiasco. Where he called them the Establishment, doubled down, tripled down and then finally said oh wait I meant the leaders are, not the organization itself, which in itself was a back track and a quadruple down.
There was absolutely no reason to go after Planned Parenthood, they endorsed Clinton because of her track record in the Senate and her proactive nature on the issues important to them. They were polite and quite positive towards Sanders and yet Sanders turned around and flipped out on them tossing them into the Establishment he was fighting.
That was it for me, I have no time to support a guy who attacks arguably one of the most persecuted organizations in the country just because they endorsed his opponent, while complimenting the hell out of him. The thread I made about it here didn't help either as pro Sandesr people absolutely joined in on attacking PP as part of the establishment and questioning their integrity, and mine, including a few calling to have me banned over it.
PP made the wrong call endorsing Clinton before a single vote was cast in January sure they waited longer than majority of Dem insiders but hardly a decision that was based on just the Clinton credentials.
Traditionally PP had never endorsed
ANY candidate in their entire
HISTORY during the Dem Primary and both candidates had a strong record. Tipping the scales at exactly this election before we had even gotten into the primaries much like a lot of the larger unions that ended up not showing up election day just showed how out of touch PP and Union Leadership were with the mood of the American Public.
They also bare responsibility in this whole fiasco.
1) His reaction post South-Carolina, where he simulatenously dismissed the south as "conservative", didn't thank his supporters in those states or really acknowledge what those losses meant.He went to Super White Minnesota I believe that night and called them too smart not to vote for him, which is a terrible thing to say post a major loss in a state where the black vote was a huge factor in his loss.
During an election where it was made clear by the Clinton campaign that she didn't really care about young voters or trying to appeal to them and during an election where she made the biggest folly attacking her opponents voters by calling them deplorable you really think Bernie calling SC which voted overwhelmingly for Trump conservative is a red mark against his candidacy.
It was not a good look no doubt but you are making a mountain out of a mole hill in the grand scheme of things.
2) He also managed to claim that had he tired harder he'd have won, which basically implies he didn't consider the South worth his time, and that he lost because they (which includes a lot of minorities) just didn't know about him. It's also a lie, he out spent Clinton in South Carolina.
Yes he outspend his opponent in SC and spend a lot of time there without result. Clinton's organizational advantage and having all major opinion leaders in the South campaign for her was definitely something he was unable to overcome.
3) His surrogates have been horrendous and he's never really held them accountable. I mean his response to Killer Mike's Uterus comment was to say "I'd never say vote for me because I'm a man". Then there's the Establishment Whores moment, the Rosario Dawson shit, the Cornel West stuff
At least he didn't have Bushes, Kissinger and other Neocons singing his praises.
You really shouldn't comment about surrogates anyway because I can list a lot more disparaging comments from Clinton ones. "They just want to be with the boys" "
How about Clinton herself trying to paint Sanders as a sexist due to his shouting remarks?
4) The John Lewis incident
The incident where John Lewis that attacked Bernie's civil rights record?
Where he later appologized saying he
"didn't mean to disparage' Bernie Sanders' civil rights activism"
5) Blaming the DNC for the Arizona issues, and claiming somehow that it only hurt him, never mind that in many of those places it likely hurt Clinton more
Ohh so you think what occured in Arizona is normal? That Bernie's comments where out of line - let me quote the guy:
Bernie Sanders said:
“We got an email last night from a woman who was waiting in line for five hours to vote. For five hours to vote,” Bernie said incredulously today at a press conference in San Diego.
“Whatever the cause of that problem is, people in the United States of America should not have to wait five hours in order to vote. We do not know how many thousands of people who wanted to vote yesterday in Arizona did not vote. We don’t know if they wanted to vote for Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, whoever. We don’t know that.”
“In the United States of America, democracy is the foundation of our way of life,” Bernie said. “People should not have to wait five hours to vote, and what happened yesterday in Arizona is a disgrace.”
“I hope that every state in this country learns from that and learns how to put together a proper election where people can come in and vote in a timely manner and go back to work.”
the nerve of the guy...
6) Demanding debates and then complaining because he didn't get his desired dates, or that he'd have to change a date of one of his million and a half stump speech rallies
The dates for the Dem debates were awful and compared to Clinton Obama there was like 1/10 of the amount of debates and most were scheduled in such a way that fewest possible amount of people would watch them.
7) the fact that all he seemed to do is host rallies, whereas I saw Clinton going into communities and meeting with people in much more intimate ways
Unless you are talking about communities of rich folks - you can look into Bernie's schedule and see which of the two was more active on the campaign trail with both small events and yuge rallies. In the end we saw which is the better way to go and Obama also held huge rallys in 2008.
8) His refusal to do fuck all for the downticket
9) His attack on Emily's List when he finally sort of kinda did a tiny thing for the downticket
Emily's List who chose to endorse an outside candidate in the senate who was running against a local Latina - just because she had endorsed Bernie?
10) His camp's insistence that he didn't need to really help monetary wise wtith the downticket because just being on the same ticket as Bernie fucking Sanders is enough. No cult of personality for me please.
Once again whole lot of projections especially in light of the GE result and Clinton outspending Trump 4:1 and still losing across the ticket.
11)That disastrous NYDN interview where he was frankly exposed as not having much of a plan of action, just a lot of core ideas.
Hillary aced the interview and debates - too bad that's not exactly something that makes you more likely to win a GE.
12) His ridiculous policies on free trade and his inclination to give anti-GMO zealots any credibility.
The ridiculous policies of putting worker rights first rather than corporate profits?
13) Everything to do with his fucking Clinton speeches bullshit. Especially given that when asked to pinpoint even one time Clinton was "bought and paid for" he couldn't. Not to mention he sure as shit managed to only release a tiny fraction of his tax return
It was very easy for a multimillionaire like Clinton who had decided to run for President a long time ago to simply not do speeches for large and unpopular institutions after leaving her role as SoS. Instead she did a speaking tour and didn't release the transcripts because "she was already vetted" this was just another "witch hunt" - much like the email issue her insistence of secrecy hurt her image among voters.
14) How he fucked up the Castro and Ortega question in the Florida Debate
Clinton takes advise from Kissinger she is pals with two war criminals Powell and Condi - she uses them as her defense for her email server. That's far more damning than Sanders had made about Ortega and Castro 30 years ago.
I encourage you to actually watch the interview and than remind us again why things Clinton said about super-predators don't matter but this does.
15) How we went to the fucking Vatican on his campaign's dime in the middle of a fucking primary
I though he was already mathematically eliminated before the NY primary and due to the awful primary registration rules there wasn't much he could do campaigning there.
16) How he came back and immediately criticized Clinton for the Clooney predominately downticket fundraiser, eventually calling it and other fundraisers like it money laundering.
300k per table, while people are struggling to pay a 40k loan... yes the optics are wonderful all those fundraisers really helped usher a new wave of downticket victories for Dems.
17) His repeated claims that he represents the will of the people, despite being currently decimated in the popular vote.
He represented the will of his people.
18) His disinterest in foreign policy, beyond I was against Iraq. He hired advisers way too late, by then he'd already propose that the solution to fighting ISIS was for Saudi Arabia and Iran to create a coalition... which is fucking asinine. That and it's clear that he has never been all the interested in foreign policy. In a Senate briefing about Libya, Sanders took the floor and talked about Democratic messaging on the economy.
Foreign policy doesn't matter in a GE unless you are in an actual war where American lives are lost.
19) How almost every loss is somehow because the election was stolen from him and not because people sincerely voted against him
Receipts that people voted against him? I though they were voting for Clinton
20) His obsession with yelling fraud at everything
Do quote him yelling about fraud at everything - I'd like to get more information on this.
21) His constant attack on the Democratic Party and the DNC which in the end turned out to be the only actual target for his "revolution" to the point where his supporters booed the Democratic Party at his latest stump rally. Shouldn't have been a surprise in retrospect, since he's the guy that wanted someone to primary Obama in 2012
It's like you were watching a different primary.
22) Which is exactly why what happened in Nevada as his response to it is no surprise. It was a culmination of so much of what I've listed above. He has whipped a lot of people into a detached from reality frenzy, his "everything is fraud and theft" behaviour has convinced a subset of his followers that an election is literally being stolen from him. I mean again look at his press release, after walking away from the question like a fucking coward, he releases a statement that basically blames Roberta Lange for her own harassment, I'd argue in fact that in focusing the bulk of the release on making false accusations that she was corrupt and committing fraud and stealing a win from Sanders that he in fact was essentially just giving more ammo for people to either harass her more or feel justified in their harassment, and frankly that seems evident when you read the interviews of some of those people who harassed her
Nevada was a shit show where Clinton campaign and the media made claims about BernieBros throwing chairs and people here ate it up I can digup the thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1220341
23) Oh and now he's actually called Clinton the lesser of two evils, while trying to pretend he didn't like a fucking weasel.
Do pull out a quote where he called her the lesser of two evils.
24) He's run his campaign as a litmus test for getting to call oneself a progressive.
Yes because all those that endorsed Clinton before a single vote in the primary was cast also helped usher in a Republican President, a Republican Supreme Court and total control over the other branches of government. People with such awful decision making shouldn't be in a place to make decisions.
25 ) He pretends to not be a politician but absolutely is one.
I see just more projections.
26) His inability to ever truly admit fault, it's always someone else's.
Pot kettle black
27) Everything to do with Super Delegates, first hating them despite hiring the guy who helped create them, and then going oh wait they should be allocated by the outcome of the primaries, oh wait by that I mean the states that I won, the ones in states that Clinton won should vote for me because meaningless GE polls. He's essentially claiming to be the will of the people while arguing to over turn the will of the people
Add to that his campaign selling out an AIDS group and calling them stooges of big Pharma or whatever after they came out and clarified that they did not in fact endorse a California drug initiative that Sanders was backing as his campaign announced.
Some of my issues are smaller than others but they add up to be significant.
I repeat again I admire the man for his convictions and passion, I believe he is going to be very important as party of the party, but not as the face of it, I will never endorse him to be the guy. He cannot be the guy.
I want to make something really clear: The Clinton Primary vs the Clinton GE was night and day in some cases. She abandoned a lot of tactics that I thought worked really well for her in te primary, namely the smaller gatherings directly in communities with leaders of those communities.
Super Delegates had one job to select the best candidate for the GE.
A majority of Super Delegates endorsed Clinton in the summer of 2015.
The Clinton Primary was a reflection of her GE and she ran an awful primary which she nearly lost to a 74 year old socialist Jew that majority of America had not heard before the start of this election. If you think it's normal for Clinton to be so unpopular to almost lose to a guy who wasn't even a rock star like Obama than you've gotten the wrong ideas about the primary. She had virtually every organizational advantages, all major unions, all major dems, millions raised every month, 30 years of creating connections among leaders across different Democratic communities. She lost young votes, union voters, minority voters, white voters - virtually every demographic compared to Obama. You cannot disconnect how she approached the primary and what the DNC did with the depressed voter turnout.
She could have easily picked a better VP to energize at least one of the above groups - but what did she do she chose a VP that had ZERO chances to outshine her and proceeded to not campaign in States where it was obvious she was weak raising money instead.
You know what fundraising by Bernie would have looked like:
- Bernie goes to rally
- Rally is televised
- He says $27
- A big link is posted to ACT BLUE
Not a single fundraising event where he personally needs to get off the campaign trail is needed.