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Rolling Stone: Who is the modern Queen of Pop?
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teruterubozu
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I can barely name 2 songs from every artist on that list.
What a shit generation.
What a shit generation.
I have been eating healthier for the past few months and whenever I'm not cooking I eat out at subway. Unfortunately Subway plays the worst fucking music in history and I want to stab my ears everytime I go.
I have a pop question, I think its a pink song but can someone tell me wtf she says when she says "chimmery chimmery"? Song goes:
Party crasher, panty snatcher... live your life "chimmery chimmery" live your life. Why does she make that gotdamn annoying chimmery chimmery sound and what is it?
I have a pop question, I think its a pink song but can someone tell me wtf she says when she says "chimmery chimmery"? Song goes:
Party crasher, panty snatcher... live your life "chimmery chimmery" live your life. Why does she make that gotdamn annoying chimmery chimmery sound and what is it?
BotoxAgent
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Britney's washed up. Her performances look like she's not even trying anymore....her dancing sucks and she doesn't even bother trying to hide her lip syncing anymore.
see5harp said:
IMO, Hair is the best song on Born This Way.
The ones I can't stand are the ones everyone likes: Government Hooker and Americano. Also not a fan of the title track. I've come around a bit on Judas though after hearing it through a good sound system. That bass is pretty sick.
Soulscribe
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see5harp said:
!!!!!
So much wrong with this post.
BotoxAgent said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdUtd4ci8Es
(notice how the lights go off during her dance break)
There is not a worse pop star in the music biz right now. She's degenerated to a sad low. By lingering on, she only further invalidates whatever credibility she once had.
Trunchisholm
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It's a sad state of affairs when people actually think of Gaga as uber talented. Sure, she has more talent than your usual, totally vapid pop star, but that's not saying much considering that the likes of Spears and Perry have almost zero talent. Gaga's extremely well marketed and superbly produced. She's also extremely smart when it comes to her public image and her sheer ability to self-promote, but that doesn't have anything to do with the music.
It saddens me that, in spite of the so-called digital revolution, pop music is still dominated the same record company honchos who couldn't care less about the quality of the goods they're selling. Sure, nobody's forcing me to listen to those people, unless I want to turn the radio on, that is...
It saddens me that, in spite of the so-called digital revolution, pop music is still dominated the same record company honchos who couldn't care less about the quality of the goods they're selling. Sure, nobody's forcing me to listen to those people, unless I want to turn the radio on, that is...
It's stuff like this that make the so called 'music elitists' look so arrogant and ignorant. You really think that these pop stars have no talent, passion or drive? That they just wake up and suddenly they're popstars. That they have no creative input and just sing whatever is shoved in front of them. And even if that was the case, do you think the producers, song writers and musicians that are part of said record also just come out with any shit?Trunchisholm said:
Just because you don't like the music (and you are the minority, hence why these songs get up the top of the chart) doesn't mean that all the people involved in creating these songs don't have as strong a passion or desire to create the best record they can than the next indie band.
These popstars also have to deal with a lot more than most artists, such as their private lives being completely invaded, having to constantly be in PR mode, and an expectation of higher production values with their performances.
As for the list, I agree with the people that say the definition of Queen of Pop is to not only be successful, but also show that their success has some longevity, so the only person on that list that fits the bill is Britney.
I understand the hype behind Lady Gaga, but I personally dont like her. Judas for example is a complete recycle of the Bad romance song. Lyrics discluded cause they always suck.
the ONLY really good song of hers is Paparazzi. it concentrates on the singing and the music rather on Gay nazis, retarded dresses and shi*.
Pop music has been sucking lately. Im so glad that my youth is filled by far more better music than this shit that kids listen to. We used to gather as little kids, and dance the Thriller, moonwalk, and to impro with the Smooth criminal playing in the background.
we used to gather in the park where someone would play a guitar, and we sang the music that used to be pop, now you just cant do that.
the ONLY really good song of hers is Paparazzi. it concentrates on the singing and the music rather on Gay nazis, retarded dresses and shi*.
Pop music has been sucking lately. Im so glad that my youth is filled by far more better music than this shit that kids listen to. We used to gather as little kids, and dance the Thriller, moonwalk, and to impro with the Smooth criminal playing in the background.
we used to gather in the park where someone would play a guitar, and we sang the music that used to be pop, now you just cant do that.
Trunchisholm
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CRD90 said:
All I'm saying is they're not about the music, man. Most of them don't know shit about music, they don't compose their own music, they can't play shit. They mostly have zilch talent when it comes to music. That's not being elitist, just pointing out the obvious. Gaga is the most talented of the bunch, but that's not much of compliment either. The only tangible thing these people contribute to recordings is their voice, and even that is extremely processed to a point in which it is sometimes barely recognizable; even vocals are heavily altered in most live performances these days, apart from those in which singers lip-synch, that is.
That doesn't mean that pop stars are necessarily bad artists of performers, though. You don't get to the top unless you have some measure of artistic merit, are passionate about what you're doing and are willing to work your ass off. I respect that and I enjoy some of the shows these people put, but, musically, I don't see how their work has any value when it's been carefully composed, performed, produced and engineered by everybody but them. If anything, that goes on to show how unappreciated the creative side of the business is, because those people hardly ever get the credit they deserve.
I'm going to have to disagree with you. These popstars are obviously all about the music, or why would they even bother trying to get into the industry. As I said earlier, pop artists have an expectation of greater production on their performances so there is less focus on playing instruments and more on dancing and props. That's just the way pop music has always been. This means that some of the other talents of these stars is never seen by the public.Trunchisholm said:
Using the examples you mentioned earlier, Britney can play the piano. She composed and wrote one of her biggest hits, Everytime. Katy Perry use to go down to the beach, where she penned her hit (I think it was teenage dream, but it may have been another one) so to say that they have zero talent is extremely disrespectful.
When it comes to pop, people are happy spouting off absolutist statements with no actual basis in truth. It's amazing, and doesn't happen with any other art form. You don't hear people objectively lie about noise rock or punk, but with pop - it's somehow acceptable to not have a clue and still form angry opinions.
Case in point, on this page, the focus of detractors is that pop artists are not about the music - when the top two on this list, the biggest sellers, are self-made all the way - in Gaga's case coming from art school and forming her pop art persona and music out of her own artistic ambitions - in Taylor Swift's case, sending demo records to labels for years, working as a hired songwriter, youngest ever signed to Sony, before breaking off and releasing her debut on an independent label.
Despite this, and despite it actually being the NORM that these top selling pop artists are creatively involved, the MAIN POINT of the casual 'pop sucks' crowd is that they don't, and even worse - they go on to create some boogeyman image of a board of directors pressing 'hit' on a button to produce both an artist and a song. Fact: Someone as aesthetically challenged as Kesha would never have been a pop star if she didn't create the dream herself. I don't actually like her music, but she's her own product, not some idea from a CEO.
Here's the thing: Labels work to make money, but the creative forces, whether it's the performers themselves or the producers and songwriters in the studio, are seperate from that. If you ever knew anything about the dominant creative forces in pop music you'd know that their passion, the one thing they burn for is the music. So take your antiquated rockist ideology somewhere else, or better yet -- learn the facts before you spout off shit.
Case in point, on this page, the focus of detractors is that pop artists are not about the music - when the top two on this list, the biggest sellers, are self-made all the way - in Gaga's case coming from art school and forming her pop art persona and music out of her own artistic ambitions - in Taylor Swift's case, sending demo records to labels for years, working as a hired songwriter, youngest ever signed to Sony, before breaking off and releasing her debut on an independent label.
Despite this, and despite it actually being the NORM that these top selling pop artists are creatively involved, the MAIN POINT of the casual 'pop sucks' crowd is that they don't, and even worse - they go on to create some boogeyman image of a board of directors pressing 'hit' on a button to produce both an artist and a song. Fact: Someone as aesthetically challenged as Kesha would never have been a pop star if she didn't create the dream herself. I don't actually like her music, but she's her own product, not some idea from a CEO.
Here's the thing: Labels work to make money, but the creative forces, whether it's the performers themselves or the producers and songwriters in the studio, are seperate from that. If you ever knew anything about the dominant creative forces in pop music you'd know that their passion, the one thing they burn for is the music. So take your antiquated rockist ideology somewhere else, or better yet -- learn the facts before you spout off shit.
Then you've basically singled out 99% of the industry (not pop, but industry-wide) as barely talented considering Gaga has production and writing credit for every song on Born This Way, and conceptualizes if not also directs every facet of her career (costumes, tour design, videos, et al). Interscope, the label, has practically become her bitch.Trunchisholm said:
Not that fact checking Gaga's achievements have anything to do with the main point at hand: sweeping generalizations like you are so pompously doing right now is elitism, and you should be ashamed. Any self-respecting music lover does not whisk away an entire sector of music. You can have your preferences, but to diminish the quality of another is just simply begging to be called a sheep.
There are two main types of sheep: Top 40 sheep, and anti-mainstream sheep. Being in any group is hardly something to brag about.
Gaga bashers are ridiculous. The woman combines the piano skill of Elton John, the singing ability of Mariah Carey, the songwriting ability of Lennon/McCartney and the stage presence of Elvis fucking Presley into one amazing package. Haters can suck it. Even if Born This Way never sells another copy, you guys are going to have to wake up tomorrow and go back to your ordinary lives with all the same problems you had before while Gaga could retire in the Bahamas tomorrow if she wanted to.
Little Monsters for life!
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Peru said:
This post sums up everything that i feel about the Pop hatred to an extent. See in my honest opinion the whole "manufactured pop star" thing people go on about never bothered me, because before Gaga or Ke$ha, we had Bey, Brit, Xtina and all the other pop groups that exploded in the late 90's early 2000's. They all had the "manufactured" image also but that didn't matter to people at all. If anything i love the idea of companies taking in artists and training them to be great performers etc. Honestly i am so tired of Rihanna and Ke$ha not dancing. My problem with this era in music is that it is all about Dance music but only Britney, Bey and a few others are still doing actual choreography. This is proabably why Kpop is getting more popular.
Also i dont agree with RS. Britney should be in Gaga'a place or Beyonce
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