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Karma Kramer said:
How many votes did they have in the Senate for it? I thought the problem was they needed a supermajority. I would have liked to have seen them pass the public option anyway and then see if the Republicans had the actual balls to filibuster it.

The majority of America favored the public option and the majority of Americans now don't favor the current bill.
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no, the majority of americans dont' favor "obamacare." IF you tell them the actual contents of the bill, they favor the provisions. They don't like "obamacare" but they like the actual content of "obamacare"

You said it yourself. You don't know much about the health care bill. You think it's a piece of shit. You even thought it prohibited states from establishing their own systems. the very fact you are on here talking about these things means you're more informed than the vast majority of americans about obamacare, and yet you yourself are ignorant about it by your own admission.
 
Great ad.

But I think Ron Paul's position is too inflexible, and advocates for things like withdrawing all US troops from places that haven't spent above 2% of GDP to defend themselves for half a century.

There will be unintended consequences for sure.
 
GaimeGuy said:
no, the majority of americans dont' favor "obamacare." IF you tell them the actual contents of the bill, they favor the provisions. They don't like "obamacare" but they like the actual content of "obama"

You said it yourself. You don't know much about the health care bill. You even thought it prohibited states from establishing their own systems. the very fact you are on here talking about these things means you're more informed than the vast majority of americans about obamacare, and yet you yourself are ignorant about it by your own admission.
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I didn't say I was more informed, all I was discussing before was that I found the Dems attempt to get the public option weak. The final bill is certainly better than no bill, because of pre-existing conditions provisions, students/young adults being able to stay on parents care till 26, but because it is still all privatized and now mandated... it falls short of offering true universal health care, which was the goal.
 
Deku said:
There will be unintended consequences for sure.
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Unintended consequences that are cheap for Americans?

Or unintended consequences that cost an inevitable perennial depression?

I know which I'd pick!
if I were American
 
Deku said:
Great ad.

But I think Ron Paul's position is too inflexible, and advocates for things like withdrawing all US troops from places that haven't spent above 2% of GDP to defend themselves for half a century.

There will be unintended consequences for sure.
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Oh there definitely will but will those consequences affect us directly? Looking at our recent history I will take that chance.

The biggest benefit of doing what Ron Paul wants is a lower possiblity for international events to entangle us in various commitments and more freedom to do what we think is best for us.
 
BowieZ said:
Unintended consequences that are cheap for Americans?

Or unintended consequences that cost an inevitable perennial depression?

I know which I'd pick!
if I were American
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Possibly expensive.

You have created stable trading partners because of US forces overseas.

It's hard to predict, what could happen to Asia if say Japan has to build its own nukes to protect itself from China.
 
Karma Kramer said:
I didn't say I was more informed, all I was discussing before was that I found the Dems attempt to get the public option weak. The final bill is certainly better than no bill, because of pre-existing conditions provisions, students/young adults being able to stay on parents care till 26, but because it is still all privatized and now mandated... it falls short of offering true universal health care, which was the goal.
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There was a significant push, but the Senate Majority Leader is incompetent, and the Chair of the Senate Finance Committee doesn't really favor a public option.

And I didn't say you were saying you were informed. I mean that by virtue of you being in poliGAF discussing these things, it pretty much implies you're more informed than most people. ;)
 
remnant said:
Oh there definitely will but will those consequences affect us directly? Looking at our recent history I will take that chance.

The biggest benefit of doing what Ron Paul wants is a lower possiblity for international events to entangle us in various commitments and more freedom to do what we think is best for us.
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90% of the video alludes to foreign wars, not US troops in friendly countries, but knowing Ron's position I know that's also in his target.

He may change his mind though, like most people do when they campaign on an isolationalist ticket and have to face reality.

I'm questioning his pragmatism, not his morality or ability. I think his plan is broadly beneficial if you have a state that isn't so trigger happy, but if you get a dogmatic executive, it could be problematic.
 
after looking up ron paul's views on issues, yeah

more or less the same thing I already know. excellent views on certain issues (war, patriot act, pot legalization,) mixed with hardcore conservative fiscal views (which insures I'd never vote for him) and some hilarious shit (end paper money bring back gold doubloons, supporting the fucking fence to mexico, ending all "hate crime" criminal case designations and questionable support of DADT and DOMA which I'm sure gaborn has some excuse for)

basically hipster republicans
 
GaimeGuy said:
There was a significant push, but the Senate Majority Leader is incompetent, and the Chair of the Senate Finance Committee doesn't really favor a public option.

And I didn't say you were saying you were informed. I mean that by virtue of you being in poliGAF discussing these things, it pretty much implies you're more informed than most people. ;)
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Well I think its all very convenient that the people that hold power to allowing real change happen to side with special interests. And thanks man, all I am looking to do here is discuss the issues and learn more. We all have different beliefs on how things should work and how they do work, discussions are the only way we can reach commonalities.
 
Karma Kramer said:
trolololol
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you guys are literally alternative republicans

ron paul is a staunch hardcore conservative with a few hot-topic liberal views

republicans who want to smoke pot and make peace not war man
 
Deku said:
90% of the video alludes to foreign wars, not US troops in friendly countries, but knowing Ron's position I know that's also in his target.

He may change his mind though, like most people do when they campaign on an isolationalist ticket and have to face reality.

I'm questioning his pragmatism, not his morality or ability. I think his plan is broadly beneficial if you have a state that isn't so trigger happy, but if you get a dogmatic executive, it could be problematic.
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I believe thatr economic history that trade relations are far more beneficial to keeping the peace than having various stations kept around the world. I'm sorry but I can't believe a few U.S. bases is the only thing holding the world together. China is going to move against Japan, and thus largely the world if we remove a base? Europe will abandon the wealth they creaded for the past 150 yars and return to the days of perpetual warfare if we don't stand around. I'm sorry i don't buy that. A few countries will flare up. Middle east conflict may intensify shortly but overall I don't see it.
 
remnant said:
Oh there definitely will but will those consequences affect us directly? Looking at our recent history I will take that chance.
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Well, you might have to watch Libyans die on the news, but you could probably just change the channel.
 
ron paul seems to support creationism in schools and is anti-evolution

well i guess that's another reason i don't support ron paul lol
 
Karma Kramer said:
Well I think its all very convenient that the people that hold power to allowing real change happen to side with special interests. And thanks man, all I am looking to do here is discuss the issues and learn more. We all have different beliefs on how things should work and how they do work, discussions are the only way we can reach commonalities.
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it''s more that the conservative democrats have seniority and are given chair positions due to their seniority. :/
 
Karma Kramer said:
Of course... yes the gop/media/corporations are fair in their assessment of election results and they argue for fair elections. lol...
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Is this your first time following an election? These straw polls are meaningless on a good day, even less so when they are fixed by a candidate to try and show larger support than they actually have.

Ron Paul is the Ralph Nader of the Republican Party. He has a vocal but small base that makes noise every primary but is a complete non-factor in the election.
 
outunderthestars said:
Is this your first time following an election? These straw polls are meaningless on a good day, even less so when they are fixed by a candidate to try and show larger support than they actually have.

Ron Paul is the Ralph Nader of the Republican Party. He has a vocal but small base that makes noise every primary but is a complete non-factor in the election.
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If they are meaningless, whats the point in categorizing the results as significant when other candidates win?

It's not irrelevant. I think I agree with you on many issues and am interested in who you will be supporting.
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Jenga, answer the god damn question you hipster!
 
Karma Kramer said:
If they are meaningless, whats the point in categorizing the results as significant when other candidates win?
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They don't. Outside of the mostly useless Iowa straw poll, next to nobody pays any attention to them, especially as more and more are added every election.

Bachman, Cain, Romney, Paul, and Perry have all won straw polls this fall. Some of these polls have less than 500 voters, and often have absurd membership rules. They are totally pointless exercises that exist solely to give obscure political groups money/exposure.
 
outunderthestars said:
They don't. Outside of the mostly useless Iowa straw poll, next to nobody pays any attention to them, especially as more and more are added every election.

Bachman, Cain, Romney, Paul, and Perry have all won straw polls this fall. Some of these polls have less than 500 voters, and often have absurd membership rules. They are totally pointless exercises that exist solely to give obscure political groups money/exposure.
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I seem to remember the media discussing certain candidates more (Cain, Perry, Bachman) due to straw polls. Is this incorrect?
 
I would vote for him just to end the wars if he wasn't so goddamn crazy ideological. It's great to have views but a good 90% of what he wants to do would NEVER work in America and most likely no where else either.
 
The US government is the real terrorist is what I've gathered from this video, but that was already apparent long ago.
 
Ydahs said:
The US government is the real terrorist is what I've gathered from this video, but that was already apparent long ago.
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Of course and the people responsible for 75-80% of civilian deaths in Afghanistan are the real heroes. The people who have children forcibly strapped with explosives and remotely detonated? Clearly the bravest 'freedom fighters' in the world.
 
Atrus said:
Of course and the people responsible for 75-80% of civilian deaths in Afghanistan are the real heroes. The people who have children forcibly strapped with explosives and remotely detonated? Clearly the bravest 'freedom fighters' in the world.
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Nah, they're terrorists too.
 
Atrus said:
Of course and the people responsible for 75-80% of civilian deaths in Afghanistan are the real heroes. The people who have children forcibly strapped with explosives and remotely detonated? Clearly the bravest 'freedom fighters' in the world.
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Not at all... the heroes are the peaceful protestors of the world.
 
He's off base on a lot of things and he's spot on on a lot of things. He has my vote. I'm not going to vote for Obama or Romney. It's just not going to happen.

I have several friends in the military and the feeling they get when they're in other countries is ultimately mixed. They're beloved and hated at the same time. We have many bases that, at least to me, serve no real purpose other than being a giant dick waving monument.
 
Ron Paul is an insane racist idiot, and most definitely an isolationist...

but damnit if that isn't a good ad. One of the few times I have seen someone twist the whole American Exceptionalism bullshit into something that would appeal to the masses to do good, not evil. I just wish he was taken seriously enough to get at least this message through.
 
That is a really great ad. The type of thing that even if you don't win, you should at least get your idea actually acted on.
 
Misanthropy said:
lol this sounds like what America did to Iraq.
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