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Rottenwatch: WATCHMEN

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Coin Return said:
Want your blood pressure to rise? Look no further than Debbie Schlussel's writeup on her Watchmen experience (scene specific spoilers):

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2009/03/the_watchmen_li.html
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From the comments:

Posted by: Synova at March 4, 2009 05:50 PM

After reading this entire entry, you obviously have not done your homework on Watchmen.

This is NOT a story geared towards kids, neither is it's merchandising. The toys are for total comic book nerds who want to collect them and pass them on to their comic book nerd children when they get old enough. Really, I've never seen a superhero fan-child who says, "Mom! Please buy me a Rorschach figure! I wanna be just like him!" Children don't know who these characters are, and will probably never know who they are unless A.) They read the graphic novel when they come of age, or B.) They see the film. Which brings up another thing: The film is rated R for a reason. It's not for children; it's for adults. The plot (And yes, there IS a plot, a fantastic plot, may I add.) deals with what would happen if "superheroes" existed in the real world. They aren't superheroes; they're regular people in a regular world. And what's in a regular world? Gore, violence, sex, and depravity. This isn't Superman, this isn't Spider-Man, this is a murder mystery that just happens to have masked vigilantes thrown into the mix. Yes, there's gore; yes, there's violence, and yes, there's sex and depravity. Does that make Watchmen a bad film? Does that make it a bad story? No, it doesn't. It's just not a story that you would read to your kids as a bedtime story.

If any parent is thinking about taking their children to see this film, I strongly advise against it. Hello? It's rated R, and based on a GRAPHIC novel. You can't get anymore blatant than that. However, if the parent(s) wants to see it, I highly recommend it. Watchmen is NOT stupid, not in the slightest; it's actually quite intelligent. The thing is YOU have to be intelligent to fully enjoy it.
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Her response:

[CC: UH, I DON'T NEED TO "DO MY HOMEWORK" WHEN I WATCH AND CRITIQUE A MOVIE THAT'S SICKENING AND MARKETED AT KIDS. ALL I NEED TO DO IS WATCH IT AND KEEP MY SANITY, WHICH ALL OF YOU WATCHMEN IDIOTS APPARENTLY LONG AGO GAVE UP. WHICH PART OF "PARENTS *DID* TAKE THEIR YOUNG KIDS TO SEE IT" DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE INTELLIGENT TO FULLY ENJOY IT. ON THE CONTRARY, AS YOU AND THE OTHER WATCHMEN IDIOTS HAVE DEMONSTRATED, YOU HAVE TO BE A COMPLETE FLIPPING IDIOT WITH ZERO INTELLECT AND SOUL. CALLING THIS STUPID STORYLINE A FANTASTIC PLOT JUST SHOWS HOW SIMPLE AND EMPTY YOU ARE. DS]
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The MSNBC reviewer was dissapointed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29512171/

Given the many attempts over the past two decades to bring Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons’ landmark graphic novel “Watchmen” to the screen, it’s no surprise that its eventual film adaptation would be met with nearly impossible expectations. And given the fact that I read the 12-issue miniseries in its original run before writing my college senior thesis on it, I admit that my expectations were as high as anyone else’s.

So now that there’s a “Watchmen” movie, it’s disappointing to report that there was probably never a good way to make a “Watchmen” movie.
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Regulus Tera said:
Her response:
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:lol :lol Fuckin idiot.

As much as fans of the books want it to succeed and turn some people onto it, I think the neg reviews are good. That way it doesn't pander to the lowest common denominator. Who knows. We'll see at midnight tonight.

And it's hilarious seeing mainstream media cover this movie. It's kinda like Platos' Retreat being the place to hold a Christian seminar against sexual excess.

Hmm.
 
Buckethead said:
:lol :lol Fuckin idiot.

As much as fans of the books want it to succeed and turn some people onto it, I think the neg reviews are good. That way it doesn't pander to the lowest common denominator. Who knows. We'll see at midnight tonight.

And it's hilarious seeing mainstream media cover this movie. It's kinda like Platos' Retreat being the place to hold a Christian seminar against sexual excess.

Hmm.
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Alan Moore himself didn't want this made into a movie. So who's to say who is right?

Hey if it gets a few million people to read, understand, and enjoy the book then maybe he'll be satisfied.
 
MisterHero said:
Alan Moore himself didn't want this made into a movie. So who's to say who is right?

Hey if it gets a few million people to read, understand, and enjoy the book then maybe he'll be satisfied.
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He doesn't want anything of his work to get a movie adaption though....

I couldn't help myself but to smile during the credits sequence because apparently Gibbons had no problem with it.
 
Coin Return said:
Want your blood pressure to rise? Look no further than Debbie Schlussel's writeup on her Watchmen experience (scene specific spoilers):

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2009/03/the_watchmen_li.html
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Well, she is right about parents needing to read up on this movie before taking their kids (Of course, that should be understood regardless of the movie) but, wow, at the rest of it. And this:

A few lines of dialogue by the character "Rorschach" deriding "liberals and intellectuals" doesn't excuse the nearly three hours of poison here.
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is just fantastic. :lol

Edit: She's updated her site.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/movies/

WTF. It's one thing to dislike a movie; it's another to go out of your way to completely insult a fanbase. (Who, granted, likely tore the hell out of her first, judging by her comments on the emails she's received.) "Pretentious slacker ignorami?" Way to presume a lot about people. I mean, this is just absolutely indefensible.

Edit2: Here's some more highlights, just to save you guys the trouble of clicking (and her the benefit of hits):

I guess I shouldn't be amazed at the number of slacker ignoramuses who are up in arms about my frank review cutting down the absolute crap they worship a/k/a "The Watchmen", coming out in theaters late tonight. The e-mails they send me and the comments they make about how "deep," "edgy" and "profound" this vile piece of trash (which is none of these) is, reminds me of the blind statements of followers of Jim Jones. And we all know what happened after they drank he purple Kool-Aid. If only this movie could achieve that result, it would be the most fantastic exercise in natural selection ever conducted in America.
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Watchmen fans = Jim Jones

Oh, and by the way, to all of you slacker Watchmen defenders and fanatics--who resemble the many respondents on "Jay Walking," yet are suddenly the self-appointed intellectual lights of our world--grisly is grisly and it serves no positive or useful purpose in our society, even if you read it first in a comic book. You're a bunch of dummies with no moral compass, but liking this stupid comic book which pretends violence and the depraved is "edgy" or "sophisticated," makes you feel smart. When you're actually quite stupid. But now, with this movie, you've got pretentious stupidity. You don't realize you're still just as dumb, you're IQ just as low and probably lower.

And, yes, you future citizens of "Idiocracy," it's a comic book. Quit your pretentious drivel about this being important because it's a "graphic novel." Memo to the creators of Richie Rich and Archie: You missed your calling. If only you'd called your product a "graphic novel" and added scenes of Archie raping Betty and Veronica and Jughead sawing off Reggie's Arms, you'd be in businesss. Dummies.

It's frankly hilarious to read the arrogance of the ignorami, telling me I don't have "cultural literacy" because I don't like a movie based on a comic book promoting rape, torture, and brutal killing. Here's a tip to you clueless wonders: You can't have culture literacy when there ain't culture. Just like I'd be wrong to call this a clash of civilizations, because then we would be wrongly assuming that there is civilization on your end.

While most of the e-mails are vile and stupid, most of them are so pretentious and self-important, they'd be best saved for open poetry reading night at the local college coffeehouse. That's the only place where your fertilizer has willing consumers (and at at the box office on Friday, where I'm sure this crap will be a huge hit for your pretentious geeky slacker losers with no life and absolutely no sense of decency or class).
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......

Screw it, I can't read any more of this shit.
 
Xater said:
He doesn't want anything of his work to get a movie adaption though....
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V for Vendetta and LXG were entertaining movies but for Moore Watchmen was a true exercise of the comic book medium. Indeed, the movie got made, but not without changing or omitting certain parts.

I think he wanted it that way not only as respect for the story, but for the comic book medium itself. Why make comic books if they're going to be movies?

I won't discriminate in my impressions of the movie because I understand that particular sentiment but I won't be surprised if/when the mainstream audience doesn't fully embrace it.


Regulus Tera said:
It wasn't Calvinmandias
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Damn. :lol

Like Moore though, while their material is very different, Bill Watterson's work was to bring respect to Newspaper comics. Also like Moore, outside of a few rare items and the collections themselves, Watterson never wanted to license Calvin & Hobbes.
 
Regulus Tera said:
It wasn't Calvinmandias:
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That's a shame. Was totally expecting Hobbastis :(
 
traveler said:
WTF. It's one thing to dislike a movie; it's another to go out of your way to completely insult a fanbase. (Who, granted, likely tore the hell out of her first, judging by her comments on the emails she's received.) "Pretentious slacker ignorami?" Way to presume a lot about people. I mean, this is just absolutely indefensible.
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I think she's calling it "The Watchmen" just to irritate the fans even more :lol

I also like how she explicitly wishes that all Watchmen fans would commit mass suicide. How very Christian of her!
 
Gary Whitta said:
I think she's calling it "The Watchmen" just to irritate the fans even more :lol

I also like how she explicitly wishes that all Watchmen fans would commit mass suicide. How very Christian of her!
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To be honest she just seems like an Ann Coulter wannabe to me. I'm sure she is loving the unwarranted attention.
 
...watching the Watchmen motion comic before seeing the film again tonight. What is the consensus on it? I like it so far, cool to watch after the movie.
 
Regulus Tera said:
http://www.pvponline.com/comics/pvp20090305.gif[img][/QUOTE]

[B][I][U]Please[/U][/I][/B] warn before hand and add spoiler tags to stuff like that. [spoiler]that comment about Calvinmandias and this picture[/spoiler] is giving away the entire ending of the movie...
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shagg_187 said:
Please warn before hand and add spoiler tags to stuff like that.
that comment about Calvinmandias and this picture
is giving away the entire ending of a 20 year old book
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Fixed
 
shagg_187 said:
Please warn before hand and add spoiler tags to stuff like that.
that comment about Calvinmandias and this picture
is giving away the entire ending of the movie...
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Gimme a break.
 
DrForester said:
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Really? Might as well ruin the ending to movies based on reality or based on any other book out there... Just trying to give a damn about people who are planning to see this tommorow/today.

Hell, why were people getting banned when they mentioned before the release of TDK that Harvey Dent is
two-face
? I mean EVERYONE should know that, right? I mean his first appearance was in 1942!


Create a spoiler thread if you feel like it but atleast keep this clean for a week or so... :)
 
DanielPlainview said:
...watching the Watchmen motion comic before seeing the film again tonight. What is the consensus on it? I like it so far, cool to watch after the movie.
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It's awesome except for the fact that the female characters are voiced by a man, in fact all the characters are voiced by one dude.
 
Be considerate, the movie isn't even out yet and it's not like the plot of Watchmen is pop culture spoiler knowledge.
 
I remember seeing Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet at the theater. There were a lot of teenage girls who had come to swoon over Leo and they fucking FREAKED when he drank the poison and died at the end. Only a spoiler that's been in the public doman for about 500 years :lol
 
Gary Whitta said:
I remember seeing Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet at the theater. There were a lot of teenage girls who had come to swoon over Leo and they fucking FREAKED when he drank the poison and died at the end. Only a spoiler that's been in the public doman for about 500 years :lol
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What? :lol
 
Gary Whitta said:
I remember seeing Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet at the theater. There were a lot of teenage girls who had come to swoon over Leo and they fucking FREAKED when he drank the poison and died at the end. Only a spoiler that's been in the public doman for about 500 years :lol
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See, even teenyboppers are smart enough to know that the way to remain surprised by everything is to remain totally illiterate.

I hate the way that spoiler-phobia stifles the conversations of people who actually read.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I remember seeing Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet at the theater. There were a lot of teenage girls who had come to swoon over Leo and they fucking FREAKED when he drank the poison and died at the end. Only a spoiler that's been in the public doman for about 500 years :lol
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"I knew it!"
- Some woman seeing the soldiers climb out of the horse in Troy.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I remember seeing Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet at the theater. There were a lot of teenage girls who had come to swoon over Leo and they fucking FREAKED when he drank the poison and died at the end. Only a spoiler that's been in the public doman for about 500 years :lol
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god dammit

(removes from NetFlix queueueue)
 
Flynn said:
See, even teenyboppers are smart enough to know that the way to remain surprised by everything is to remain totally illiterate.

I hate the way that spoiler-phobia stifles the conversations of people who actually read.
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If you're talking about me, then not only have I read Watchmen, I own every other Watchmen related book out there. I've also watched the motion comic and preordered both released, and I own the soundtrack.

I am still excited about the movie and can't wait to see it this coming saturday.

It's really not hard typing
and [/ spoiler] :)

If you really appreciate things that you like, you don't want to ruin the experience for them that you experienced when you first encountered it. Maybe it's just me but when i dearly love a movie, I tend not to tell much to my friends about the movie and when I'm usually asked questions like "Wait... what's happening in the movie", I say "I don't know. Keep watching. You'll know."

Maybe it's just me.
 
Didn't Alan Moore say he hasn't picked up a graphic novel/comic in like 10 years? What's he doing with his life?
 
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