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Rottenwatch: WATCHMEN
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:lol :lol :lol Thats amazing.Dead said:can't wait!
And I like the impressions from some posters thanks guys,but I wanna know how Rorschachs back story was handled??
And was any of the graphic violent or sexual content cut or were they displayed in there gory and sexy glory.
P.S.
If I know how to spoiler tag there would be a lot more questions :lol :lol :lol
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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RSTEIN said:
Fallout boy. Jumper was a 1.5 hour of shitfest that you can easily leave behind. Fallout boy can still be heard in radio/TV/Youtube-Mashup-Clips.
Wrath2X said:
Rorshach's backstory is handled the same way it's handled in the comic (minus certain scene due to it's usage in the movie "SAW", incase readers say "Pfft! Ripoff!")
Violence/Sexucla content is presented as much as possible (including the rape sequence and the owlship sensation).
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HAHA! YOU SUCK! lol kidding
The closer and closer the release day gets, the more excited and terrified I get. Excited, well, for the obvious reason of loving the comics. Terrified because I think it's incredibly easy to screw up the movie, and incredibly hard to make it watchable / good. That, and if I stay just a little pessimistic, perhaps the movie will completely knock my socks off (like Taken did).
Reguardless of reviews I'm seeing this opening night at an IMAX. But sweet lord, please be good.
Also: Those panels of Moore are awesome.
Reguardless of reviews I'm seeing this opening night at an IMAX. But sweet lord, please be good.
Also: Those panels of Moore are awesome.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Wrath2X said:
If you really want to know, I'll quote Harry from AICN:
Rorschachs handcuffing the kidnapper/murderer to the big woodburning heater is still there. But giving him the hacksaw and setting the place on fire telling him to saw through his own arm is gone. Why? SAW. Rorschach does something different. I accept that loss.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
Just finished watching the rest of that motion comic. Very well done, I thought.
The part leading up to one of my favorite Rorschach lines
was portrayed pretty close to how I imagined it in my head, with the camera slowly making it's way toward his close-up shot. You just know exactly what he's thinking the whole time :lol
Not bad. If you've read the comic, you should check out the motion comics on itunes. If you're a Watchmen virgin I advice reading the comic first. The experience is quite different.
The part leading up to one of my favorite Rorschach lines
"Joking, of course."
Not bad. If you've read the comic, you should check out the motion comics on itunes. If you're a Watchmen virgin I advice reading the comic first. The experience is quite different.
ProfessorLobo
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rhino4evr said:
Just skip it. Whenever I'm reading a good book, but I realize the chapter I'm reading has too many pages, I just skip it and go to the next chapter.
The Lamonster
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uh...hope this is a joke postProfessorLobo said:
fistfulofmetal
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ProfessorLobo said:
i do this too
was a real big problem when i read The Road, though.
CubeRevolution
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Zack Snyder is one of the biggest talents in hollywood.
Justin Bailey
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It's important, the only one that really didn't matter was the longass essay on owls.rhino4evr said:
BenjaminBirdie
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beelzebozo
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Kastro said:
swear to me
BenjaminBirdie
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Milchjon said:
Yeah, it's much more of an industry based review, which isn't surprising, as it's from THR.
Buckethead
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When will IGN go out of business? I hope soon. Very, very soon.
beelzebozo
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Buckethead said:
never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator.
Buckethead
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beelzebozo said:
True. But christ, I don't know what I expect but everytime I read one of their music/movie reviews, I want to punch a baby in the face.
BenjaminBirdie
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Cheebs said:
Which is slightly alarming since the source material is not at all Love It or Hate It. It's pretty much universally beloved.
BenjaminBirdie said:
Is it really alarming though? Whenever you have a beloved book/GN, some people are automatically going to hate it because it wont meet their preconceptions, and some people are automatically going to love it just because its their favorite book on screen.
And thats even before actually taking the film's actual merits into the equation.
BenjaminBirdie
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Solo said:
But this thread is about people taking the film's actual merits into the equation, in the form of reviews.
polyh3dron
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Yeah, to the people that actually know about it and have read it which belong to a specific demographic.BenjaminBirdie said:
I don't know if TDK comparisons are really fair though, given the amount of buzz surrounding the movie after Heath Ledger's death - for me a large part of the impactfulness of his performance was due to the proximity of his death - it was incredibly chilling.
I mean, it's a fantastic movie, but the 98% or w/e on RT is almost surely inflated by Heath Ledger's death.
Again, it was a great movie, and Heath is fantastic in it, but the film leans as heavily on its being Heath's last movie as it does on its own cinematic merits.
TDK has weak points too, but nobody ever talks about them.
I mean, it's a fantastic movie, but the 98% or w/e on RT is almost surely inflated by Heath Ledger's death.
Again, it was a great movie, and Heath is fantastic in it, but the film leans as heavily on its being Heath's last movie as it does on its own cinematic merits.
TDK has weak points too, but nobody ever talks about them.
polyh3dron
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nomg wrong for sure :lolCostanza said:
BenjaminBirdie said:
I don't know about that. I mean, give it to the normal comic book fan (which I used to be when I was younger) and it just comes off dark and brooding. Which is fine, but I really didn't get all the nuanced parts of the book until I read it again when I was like 16.
And I would go so far to say that anyone who read it the first time as an average comic fan would not be jizzing all over it as most people do. But thats my two cents.
Edit: If you meant by critics, then yea it was universally loved.
unifin said:
I'm not sure if they don't have a point, for movies those archetype have been broken already. So if it was to be faithful to the original's intent, perhaps it needs to be updated and not be slavish to stylistic choices from the comics. I can't judge the film yet, but in my mind, I'd thought that Watchmen needed either that Michael Mann/Dark Knight grittiness, or I would argue that it could have worked better in animation along the lines of The Incredibles, since breaking archetypes in that medium would still be surprising.
Timbuktu said:
I see what you're saying, but at the same time I feel like the campiness of the costumes and gadgets to a certain extent (in a motion-picture) from drowning in its own seriousness - the contrast is there specifically to elicit scoffs, laughs, and then question our own attachment to Batman, Superman, and Spiderman, even the X-men.
When the costumes are as iconic as Spidey's getup or Batman's ears, it doesn't bother anybody because the costume exists as an extension of the hero, inseparable.
One of the great things about Watchmen is to look at how characters both cling to and belie the implications of their costume - how they can only begin to take the world's problems seriously when they're disguised, how this sort of projection exemplifies the mask syndrome of hiding personal flaws, etc.
If everybody's costumes were fucking badass, you'd lose the discomfort of that visual-auditory (written) disconnect.
itsinmyveins
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BenjaminBirdie said:
Yes, by people who read it, who I'd wager are mostly comic fans. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who'd be totally uninterested in the comic if they were presented with it, or simply bored. And I'm sure the comic would get a bunch of negative reviews if it was to be released now with all the hype and talk behind it and marketed to such a large audience.
At the same time TDK (the movie) is a straight-forward story most people can enjoy easily.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Pretty much. Those who invest the time to read Watchmen and give it a chance as more than a 'comic book' usually aren't the ones who make the bulk of the comic book movie box office. To condense a story like Watchmen down is going to be very hard for the generally stupid general public.
Blader5489 said:
To be clear, I'm talking about comparing RT meters between the two films, not the films' quality of construction.
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I never said they weren't minor, but they're there - I personally found the sonar sequence ridiculous, and the casting of Lau and Rachel were both weak - fortunately the rest of the film was so fantastic that it didn't really bother me.
Yet, for me and for a lot of people, especially those who aren't fans/aware of The Killing Joke or The Dark Knight returns, Ledger completely dominates the film both with the incredible level of pure chaotic psychopathy he projects, and also with to the power of this being his last farewell.
Comic fans and real film buffs, those who can look at Heath Ledger's Joker and see the genius of how he uses The Killing Joke as a jumping off point and makes it his own, are not the typical moviegoer or, I dare say, the typical movie reviewer.
So if we're going to be discussing RT-meter scores, which are an aggregate of said reviewers' opinions expressed numerically, it makes sense to examine the circumstances surrounding each movie that may have influenced its reviewing.
The Dark Knight deserved every good review, but many of those reviews focused completely on Ledger's performance and its preemptive legendary status, and not at all on how well the film was constructed. This is the influence of Ledger's death.
Additionally, Batman is an icon of American popular culture. Watchmen is in more educated circles, but hardly to the extent that everybody knows who Batman is. In this sense, Batman skyhooking onto an airplane is inherently accepted, because it's part of the character we're familiar with. Indeed, I found Batman's hand-to-hand sequences to be average at best, but, like with Watchmen, those weren't at all the focus of the film.
In this way, quotes like "the action can't hold a candle to asian cinema" are completely absurd, as it demonstrates a complete lack of understanding regarding the point of the film.
Just been to an imax screening and pleased to report that the film is pretty fucking great and this coming from someone who hasnt indulged in the graphic novel.
The final act is a bit drawn out, but for the first 2 hours it was spot on.
A very tight picture, oozing class and some top performances
The final act is a bit drawn out, but for the first 2 hours it was spot on.
A very tight picture, oozing class and some top performances
ChoklitReign
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He totally fell asleep while watching.SephCast said:
Warm Machine
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I'm about a 1/4 the way through the graphic novel and so far a movie adaptation of this is going to be tough as hell. Loads of flashbacks, loads of questions, no character to like or sympathize with, and no action per say for what will probably be the first 30 minutes of the movie. I am enjoying it out of curiosity however and I'll be reading more this weekend.
Randy Lanzarote
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Week to go, as a big fan of the comic I am looking forward to it.
(Although not enough to pay full price for tickets, I'm going to try and see it in the cheap-seat morning time)
Finished reading 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' last night, I quite enjoyed it. V For Vendetta is next on the reading list.
(Although not enough to pay full price for tickets, I'm going to try and see it in the cheap-seat morning time)
Finished reading 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' last night, I quite enjoyed it. V For Vendetta is next on the reading list.
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Althane said:
They're the new Minutemen. I don't believe the phrase "watchmen" appears anywhere within the actual text of the novel.
itsinmyveins
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Valkyr Junkie said:
I think "Who watches the watchmen?" is sprayed on a wall or something in the comic.
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shagg_187 said:
That scene was in the original Mad Max too, but with a car about to explode.
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KingGondo said:
I was looking at that, but I already have two copies of The Killing Joke (first edition print, and the new re-coloured version). The Superman story he penned though sounds interesting ''Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow".
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