The Interrobanger
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Cosmic Bus said:
Just got back from it. You summed up my thoughts perfectly.
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Just got back from it. You summed up my thoughts perfectly.
rollingstart
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It's not hard to understand that people think the blue penis is supposed to be comedy when the punchline of Forgetting Sarah Marshall was showing a pale penis. Or in other movies / media, from GTA4 to The Simpsons Movie. Showing a penis is common thing in comedy, so it's not unexpected.
I agree with the guy who said that they should have probably avoided showing it directly. I mean, at the beginning of the movie there is the clever shot of
and I'm sure they could have worked out more of them for Jon.
I agree with the guy who said that they should have probably avoided showing it directly. I mean, at the beginning of the movie there is the clever shot of
JFK getting shot while the camera went past someone
jordan0386
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For her to jump out that house and not have a scratch is ridiculous.
evil solrac v3.0
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Tobor said:
OH GOD THEY WERE DROWNING IN THEM!!
Gary Whitta
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I don't get all the bitching about the music. Did the greatest works of Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen suddenly become shit and nobody told me?
I really enjoyed the film. The story was very dark, but that got the point across better. I can't wait to see the extended version whenever it comes out on Blu Ray.
Sex scene went on a bit long, but other then that I enjoyed it. Blue penis was startling the first time I saw. After that it just became ordinary and not distracting from the scene.
Sex scene went on a bit long, but other then that I enjoyed it. Blue penis was startling the first time I saw. After that it just became ordinary and not distracting from the scene.
perfectchaos007
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Never read the comic, but I still thought it was a pretty good movie. I didn't quite understand the blue guy all the way though. He wasn't God, but he could do just about anything except make everyone happy.
MisterHero
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With all the attention paid to making Watchmen work as a film through its story and aesthetic it's kind of saddening that it doesn't go with a good score. There are comic book movies that are not as true to their comic roots as Watchmen is (like Superman, Batman 89, or Spider-Man) but have memorable themes.Gary Whitta said:
Now that I think about it the above are just a few that I really like but for Watchmen it feels like a missed opportunity.
Honestly I'm glad they used relative unknowns for the parts and as praised as the GN is it is not without its flaws. The character of Silk Spectre/Laurie was pretty cringe worthy throughout all of the chapters. I understood why such a character was needed in Alan Moore's story but that was a pretty horrible stereo-type he used for an unwilling female "adventurer". She literally had no redeeming qualities except for being attractive and with the problems she had with Jon it didn't make any sense that she would have stayed with him as long as she did. That and the "big reveal" of her past were all rather forced and pointless in the GN imo. I was glad that a lot of those parts were condensed or missing so I liked the movie Laurie a little better because of it.
As for the missing parts of Rorschach's, Jon's and Adrian's history? Big mistake. They should have done 2 or 3 movies instead of one because those sections along with the newspaper stand panels were very important to the original GN. I understand that they filmed those scenes but again they were cut due to time constraints. Adrian could have been done a little better and Night Owl was a little forgettable but other than that and an over use of slow motion I really enjoyed what was there until the pace of the 3rd act started to wane. It was easily one of the top 3 comic hero movies I've seen and I eagerly await the next chance I get to watch it.
Oh yeah also the quotes at the end of each Chapter should have been included.
As for the missing parts of Rorschach's, Jon's and Adrian's history? Big mistake. They should have done 2 or 3 movies instead of one because those sections along with the newspaper stand panels were very important to the original GN. I understand that they filmed those scenes but again they were cut due to time constraints. Adrian could have been done a little better and Night Owl was a little forgettable but other than that and an over use of slow motion I really enjoyed what was there until the pace of the 3rd act started to wane. It was easily one of the top 3 comic hero movies I've seen and I eagerly await the next chance I get to watch it.
Oh yeah also the quotes at the end of each Chapter should have been included.
I thought the movie was as well as it could have been.
The only things that were missing were the emotional shock you have when you realize
Who is the girl who played Laurie? She was smoking hot.
The only things that were missing were the emotional shock you have when you realize
Laurie is the Comedian's daughter and when they capture Rorschach and reveal who he is...no one in my grp really picked up on it. I did only because I had read the comic.
Who is the girl who played Laurie? She was smoking hot.
AndersTheSwede
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Gary Whitta said:
It's not that they are shit, it's the opposite. They are so well known that when one suddenly starts playing your pulled out of the story a little.
Some of the choices did seem to be just hitting the right period pieces instead of enhancing the scene first and foremost.
I stilled loved the movie. It's a film that gives fuck all for your sensibilities, and I respect that.
And for the record I had no problem with the blue penis. He was such a far out being that any social rules, other than him humoring us (putting on the suit), just seemed ridiculous.
A move were a man being clothed is ridiculous instead of the other way around? That's what I loved so much about the movie. Turn everything on its head, fuck the masses, celebrate a great work of fiction.
It's still seriously flawed in pacing, but that's a result of faithfulness to the comic. Hard to honestly knock it on that. Accept it as the stories nature.
I felt Silk Spector II was a push. Not terribly great, but didn't really subtract from the film. A great ass was a plus.
TheHeretic
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Owen said:
Giving the audience credit always leads to superior films. Male nudity isn't going to get less taboo if film makers constantly work around it, now is it?
perfectchaos007
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TheHeretic said:
I did notice something about the penis. The first time you see the penis it gets all the shock out of the way because it swings a little when he walks. After that, the penis stays relatively stationary so you don't notice it as much.
Gary Whitta said:
Some directors use pop music well. Like say Scorsese. It takes more than just picking a nifty song and putting it over the action. It takes deft filmmaking to make a scene plus the music feel like it adds up to something more then the sum of both parts.
Snyder does not have that skill.
RadioHeadAche
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I enjoyed it, though the book was far better.
It would have worked best in a mini-series format but it could have been easily done in movie format as well especially since they stayed pretty consistent with the GN. I would have had every chapter fade out with a monotone composition of low horns playing while some of the heroes took turns or maybe even the prison therapist narrating the quotes as they appeared on screen. They would essentially serve the same purpose as they did in the GN. Of course this would only work if the films covered the full back stories and all of the side stories going on in the background showing the hum drum lives of minor characters most importantly the Pirate comic parallel.XMonkey said:
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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All the songs used in the movie were referenced in the comic book. They had to be used and they were used perfectly!
I cannot believe all the hate. Obviously the book is way better, but the casting was dead on, the movie miraculously got most of the comic across in a short(ish) time frame, and the slightly altered ending was totally acceptable in the face of the fact that the average Hollywood audience just sat through (and actually enjoyed) 2.5 hours of big blue dick.
The real success here? Watchmen the graphic novel will probably sell another million copies thanks to this film. And you really can't fuck with those results.
VERDICT: Fuck Yay
The real success here? Watchmen the graphic novel will probably sell another million copies thanks to this film. And you really can't fuck with those results.
VERDICT: Fuck Yay
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shagg_187 said:
Haters owned!
I thought it was a bold and uncompromising new vision by Snyder to change the theme from being a critique of comics giving young men all the tits and ass, violence, cod moralism and misogyny they can handle to one of reveling in it.
Couldn't shake the feeling that the pre-vis of the opening in Greengrass' version was more of an actual filmic adaptation than pretty much this one's entire running time, but I guess it's the Watchmen film we deserve.
Couldn't shake the feeling that the pre-vis of the opening in Greengrass' version was more of an actual filmic adaptation than pretty much this one's entire running time, but I guess it's the Watchmen film we deserve.
polyh3dron
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Yeah this was my only gripe with the movie as well.effzee said:
untoldhero
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Haha, some of you people think this movie was the next coming of christ :lol
I thought it was a good movie, faithful adaption. Can't wait for the directors cut
I thought it was a good movie, faithful adaption. Can't wait for the directors cut
Wrestlemania
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I'm pretty sure when Moore included the lyrics from those songs he wasn't thinking "And if they make this into a film this song will work perfectly with this scene!".shagg_187 said:
I think the music is the strongest example of Snyder trying to hard to emulate the comic without really thinking about how it actually works as a film.
Randy Lanzarote
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effzee said:
I can't believe they had the audacity to include one of the most parodied lines in cinema;
"Laurie....The Comedian is your father!"... I mean I'm surpised she didn't whip out a lightsaber and destroy Jon's Martian Fortress.
I'd also suggest that the explosion in NY missed the emotional impact it had in the book, with regards to the embrace shared by the two Bernie's in that final frame. The scene was still there in the movie but without getting to know them over the course of the movie I think the moment was completely lost. I also hope that the director's cut puts back that entire scene where the various characters rush to help in the fight between Joey and her girlfriend. Was such a defining moment for me in the comic, especially when set against Ozy's rant against the modern world and the justification for his plan.
I'd also suggest that the explosion in NY missed the emotional impact it had in the book, with regards to the embrace shared by the two Bernie's in that final frame. The scene was still there in the movie but without getting to know them over the course of the movie I think the moment was completely lost. I also hope that the director's cut puts back that entire scene where the various characters rush to help in the fight between Joey and her girlfriend. Was such a defining moment for me in the comic, especially when set against Ozy's rant against the modern world and the justification for his plan.
TheHeretic
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Cheebs said:
The DVD and Blu Ray releases will probably be huge.
8bit said:
I remember the production company had a few CG stills up, but not the sequence itself (
Comedian's death
SCULLIBUNDO
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Saw it again tonight. Just as good as the first time.
Ignatz Mouse
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Gary Whitta said:
Apparently. And I guess using the song "All Along the Watchtower" was a mistake despite a whole chapter of the book referencing it. Sigh.
TheDrowningMan
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Yeah, I felt the music fit well. The juxtaposition of Cohen's irony and the on-screen sex worked fine for me, and that's the most criticised use of it as far as I can tell. It made a potentially very awkward scene less so - The part of the comic book was not deadly serious either (the flame said it all) and it translated fine to the screen. You either have porno grunts and groans, you either have steamy sax (and make it unintentionally funny) or you bolster the images with something intended to raise a wry smile, which is surely what Hallelujah did in anyone with a sense of humour.
And the blue penis, well, it was only distracting if it's what you are looking for. I barely noticed it, just as I noticed Christian Bale's belt or shoes less than I did his face in The Dark Knight.
I'm pretty indifferent to the rest of Snyder's output, but he's done a fantastic job here. I only hope the director's cut is available alongside / in place of the standard Blu-Ray release in a few month's time, as the film felt pretty short.
TheDrowningMan
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jett said:
Untrue - Films normally drop on Saturday. But this has decreased a bit more strongly than would've been hoped for.
Wrestlemania
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I don't recall my copy of the book playing the song when I opened that page. It referenced the lyrics, that doesn't automatically mean that the song is going to fit very well when played over the scene, and it turns out that some people don't think it did in most cases.Ignatz Mouse said:
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