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Gryphter said:
response is an ending spoiler, sort of:
I love the part when Laurie questions him about it, "Wait, you couldn't really... could you?" And his response is a smirk, raised eyebrow and, "Could I?" Sooo awesome
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I laugh every time I see it in the comic. It's such a douchebag grin.
 
Zabka said:
I also find it funny that people think Dan needs to be superhuman to break an arm
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I think the fight scenes were generally done very well in not making them appear super-human except in one instance.

Silk Spectre is
fighting in the alley with Dan, and she like...kicks out his legs and then kicks him into a dumpster across the way like 10 feet away, upside down. Completely not needed, but it didn't detract.

Otherwise it just looked like a couple well-trained fighters beating up some dudes that suck.
 
Vik_Vaughn said:
Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it. I brought my wife, and she also liked it a lot. I was surprised at how much she talked about it with me afterwards. The only info she had going into it was having watched the first motion comic the night before, and me giving her a 'rundown' on the way to the theater.

Regarding the ending, the only part that really bothered me is that the final encounter between
Adrian and Jon never really happens. In fact, it seems that Adrian did 'win' in the end, because he seems to have gotten closure with Jon, unlike the GN
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This so much. I kept waiting for this to happen and it never did. I think this being left out upset me more than any other change because I really liked the ambiguous feeling it left whereas in this version it felt so much more cleaned up.
 
karasu said:
Why do people hate Slow motion? Slow motion is awesome. Much better than jump cuts and run and gun stuff.
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Rarely is slow motion used appropriately, personally.

Especially by Snyder, who filmed 300 and Watchmen entirely with hi-speed cameras(wtf knd of director does that)...slow-mo-wise he filmed them mindlessly and without much thought behind it I bet. Once in the editing room is where he chooses which scenes could be ZOMG KEWL in slow motion.
 
fart said:
alan moore's watchmen is an elegy on the power and impotence of fantasy. the only thing most of my friends remembered about the movie was a giant blue cock. this is why it fucks everything up when you make little changes without any understanding of their thematic importance.
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Maybe you should blame your narrow-minded friends instead? And how is Dr. Manhattan actually being naked a criticism at all? That is absolutely true to the source.

god i wish terry gilliam had followed through on this one.
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I love Terry Gilliam, but I doubt the Watchmen movie he would/could have made would satisfy you either. Gilliam can barely get any movie financing, much less a $100 million. He was also working with/rewriting the Sam Hamm script, with the opening Statue of Liberty sequence and the Nite Owl killing Ozy ending. Dr. M. would have been an actor in blue makeup.

The director of the blockbuster 300, for good or ill, had the clout to get the movie greenlit and keep the movie as true to the comic as it is. He was forced to deliver a film of a certain length to satisfy IMAX standards, but all those cuts will make it into another release in the summer. I can't think of ANY movie that has ever had a planned re-release with content added. I think Snyder went above and beyond what just about any other director would have done. You think Spielberg would have kept Dr. M naked, or had a downer ending? Would you want Lucas rewriting any dialogue? If the only blatant directorial imprint Snyder imposed on the movie is his love of slo-mo, I'd say we fans got off pretty well.
 
fart said:
alan moore's watchmen is an elegy on the power and impotence of fantasy. the only thing most of my friends remembered about the movie was a giant blue cock. this is why it fucks everything up when you make little changes without any understanding of their thematic importance.
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Did you close your eyes while reading the graphic novel so you didn't see the big blue cock? WTF are you talking about "it fucks everything up when you make little changes "...I know there are differences from the graphic novel but the big blue cock is not one of them.
 
jett said:
Rarely is slow motion used appropriately, personally.

Especially by Snyder, who filmed 300 and Watchmen entirely with hi-speed cameras(wtf knd of director does that)...slow-mo-wise he filmed them mindlessly and without much thought behind it I bet. Once in the editing room is where he chooses which scenes could be ZOMG KEWL in slow motion.
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The only appropriate usage of slow motion IMO was
The beginning where The Comedian was thrown out of the window
, there may be others but that's the only scene I recall not being ridiculous.
 
birdman said:
In the comic Ozzy looked pretty sure about himself when he mentioned having to dodge a bullet.
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Which is odd because I'm pretty sure he says something along the lines of 'I wasn't sure if that would work' right after he does it.
 
harSon said:
The only appropriate usage of slow motion IMO was
The beginning where The Comedian was thrown out of the window
, there may be others but that's the only scene I recall not being ridiculous.
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Yeah...rarely does that shit serve purpose. One thing I love about TDK is that there's pretty much no fucking slow motion at all. For instance, the big rig scene. If it was Snyder it would've been constantly alternating between regular speed and slowmo, if it was some other douchebag like Bay he would've filmed with 20 cameras on set, cutting to a different angle every fraction of a second. :P

Chris Nolan though? One take, one imax camera, no fucking slow motion motherfuckers.
 
There was a lot less slow mo than I expected, but the one scene that should have had it was
Veidt catching the bullet to show how he used one hand to soften the impact and the other to grasp it.
 
joey_z said:
Which is odd because I'm pretty sure he says something along the lines of 'I wasn't sure if that would work' right after he does it.
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I remember him saying that about
disintegrating Jon again
but not about
catching a bullet
 
Vik_Vaughn said:
Regarding the ending, the only part that really bothered me is that the final encounter between
Adrian and Jon never really happens. In fact, it seems that Adrian did 'win' in the end, because he seems to have gotten closure with Jon, unlike the GN
.
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Totally,
the one scene where the seeds of doubt are planted in Adrian's mind, and his self-declared master plan doesn't look as foolproof anymore. Instead we got Nite-Owl having a temper tantrum.... meh.
 
harSon said:
The only appropriate usage of slow motion IMO was
The beginning where The Comedian was thrown out of the window
, there may be others but that's the only scene I recall not being ridiculous.
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The most inappropriate one was Silk Spectre turning around after hearing the explosion in the building, with her hair twirling and shit. It was in the trailer is well. So superfluous and disjointed. It made me think the execs asked Snyder for a specific amount of slow motion captures in the movie to throw into the trailer.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Was the penis really that big? After hearing all the comments, I expected to see a monster cock in the movie. Looked normal to me.
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This comment is bulletproof to criticism :lol

"Of course it was a big cock!"
"I guess I have a big cock then because that looked normal..."
 
Gryphter said:
I remember him saying that about
disintegrating Jon again
but not about
catching a bullet
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He does say it. "There's something else that I didn't know would work" or something like that.
 
I have to say, I was getting into the multiple Jon's on Silk Spectre action in the movie...all that feeling...

No one can argue that that scene wasn't better on film than it was on paper.
 
Gryphter said:
I remember him saying that about
disintegrating Jon again
but not about
catching a bullet
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Just checked it up. Right after
he catches the bullet; he kicks Laurie, gets up and says "There. Something else I wasn't sure would work."

I think the shit eating grin was just that. An over confident shit eating grin. Makes sense given the character.
 
jett said:
How soon we forget about the biggest trilogy of the century. :P
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Ha! Indeed. Though I don't recall those editions* being announced concurrent with the original release. Although it's not like the big editions are going to hit 3600 theaters, it will be a limited-release to big cities. But, it's been planned from the start and it allowed Snyder to film Hollis, the newstand, even an animated version of the entire Black Freighter comic!





*I'm actually not sure what we're both referencing here: Original Star Wars trilogy? LOTR trilogy? I would argue the first was made poorer and for worse reasoning, and I'm still waiting (not really) for the Tom Bombadil version of Rings.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Was the penis really that big? After hearing all the comments, I expected to see a monster cock in the movie. Looked normal to me.
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At least Snyder had the good sense to cut the scene where Manhatten is on Mars and starts beating off in super-slow mo with his big blue cock.

Hope it's on the directors cut...
 
joey_z said:
Just checked it up. Right after
he catches the bullet; he kicks Laurie, gets up and says "There. Something else I wasn't sure would work."

I think the shit eating grin was just that. An over confident shit eating grin. Makes sense given the character.
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gotcha, cool. thanks for looking it up, saves me the torment of waiting til I get home from work and class before I can. :D

On a different subject, I always pictured Nite Owl II as a more gadgets/tools kind of fighter. In both the movie and the book he's a fighter, but I don't think that fits his character all that well... he's a brain. I always saw him as a smoke grenade, batarang, electrified gloves, etc. kind of fighter. I mean he did have that laser pen, but I don't see him as the type to throw a punch, break an arm, spinning back roundhouse kick type of person at all. Anyone agree?
 
Gryphter said:
gotcha, cool. thanks for looking it up, saves me the torment of waiting til I get home from work and class before I can. :D

On a different subject, I always pictured Nite Owl II as a more gadgets/tools kind of fighter. In both the movie and the book he's a fighter, but I don't think that fits his character all that well... he's a brain. I always saw him as a smoke grenade, batarang, electrified gloves, etc. kind of fighter. I mean he did have that laser pen, but I don't see him as the type to throw a punch, break an arm, spinning back roundhouse kick type of person at all. Anyone agree?
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Not quite sure why he was portrayed as a H2H fighter in the GN, but I don't really mind it. Just an odd choice now that you mention it.
 
RubxQub said:
I have to say, I was getting into the multiple Jon's on Silk Spectre action in the movie...all that feeling...

No one can argue that that scene wasn't better on film than it was on paper.
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Silk Spectre sucking on jon's finger was HOT
 
fistfulofmetal said:
TDK could have used some slow-mo when the big-rig flipped over.
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OH YEAH? Watchmen could have used some fast mo and less kicking people across the room through concrete walls TAKE THAT.
 
RubxQub said:
Not quite sure why he was portrayed as a H2H fighter in the GN, but I don't really mind it. Just an odd choice now that you mention it.
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I personally saw him as the Batman of the Watchmen group. Batman kicks ass in hand-to-hand combat, and Night Owl should too. But, I was expecting a few more gadgets out of him as well.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Just think of all the times he turned into a giant.
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I joked with my friends that he was going to use his cock like a flail against the Vietnamese in the movie :lol
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Just think of all the times he turned into a giant.
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INT: Rockefeller Milatary Complex

(Rorscach enters the miltary complex and stands beneath a 60 foot tall Dr Manhattan)

Rorscach: Hello Dr Manhattan

(Dr Manhattan turns to his right, his 6 foot cock swinging due to the momentum. Rorscach's hat is blown off)

Rorscach: Hurm
 
adamsappel said:
Maybe you should blame your narrow-minded friends instead? And how is Dr. Manhattan actually being naked a criticism at all? That is absolutely true to the source.


I love Terry Gilliam, but I doubt the Watchmen movie he would/could have made would satisfy you either. Gilliam can barely get any movie financing, much less a $100 million. He was also working with/rewriting the Sam Hamm script, with the opening Statue of Liberty sequence and the Nite Owl killing Ozy ending. Dr. M. would have been an actor in blue makeup.

The director of the blockbuster 300, for good or ill, had the clout to get the movie greenlit and keep the movie as true to the comic as it is. He was forced to deliver a film of a certain length to satisfy IMAX standards, but all those cuts will make it into another release in the summer. I can't think of ANY movie that has ever had a planned re-release with content added. I think Snyder went above and beyond what just about any other director would have done. You think Spielberg would have kept Dr. M naked, or had a downer ending? Would you want Lucas rewriting any dialogue? If the only blatant directorial imprint Snyder imposed on the movie is his love of slo-mo, I'd say we fans got off pretty well.
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Yes.Yes.Yes that's what these guys are not seeing Synder was perfect for the film a 'big name' director comes with too much baggage and expectations imagine for a moment a Speilberg directed Watchmen...shivers.

Gilliam would have been an awful choice the film would have been a disaster with him helming it.

For me the adaptation was very good i'm not going to be an ass and nitpick over certain things as the overall film delivered imo.
 
Dabanton said:
Yes.Yes.Yes that's what these guys are not seeing Synder was perfect for the film a 'big name' director comes with too much baggage and expectations imagine for a moment a Speilberg directed Watchmen...shivers.

Gilliam would have been an awful choice the film would have been a disaster with him helming it.

For me the adaptation was very good i'm not going to be an ass and nitpick over certain things as the overall film delivered imo.
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You know you secretly wanted Shia LaBeouf as Rorschach.
 
Ceres said:
You know you secretly wanted Shia LaBeouf as Rorschach.
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More like Shia Labeouf as Jon so we could finally see the dude's cock amirite?!

Guys?!

...guys...?
 
Dabanton said:
Gilliam would have been an awful choice the film would have been a disaster with him helming it.
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disagree.. I think it would have been much more interesting than the shot-for-shot adaptation we got. Anyone who read the comic recently was likely bored during the movie.
 
Kastro said:
disagree.. I think it would have been much more interesting than the shot-for-shot adaptation we got. Anyone who read the comic recently was likely bored during the movie.
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Or completely loved it like I did after having recently read the GN for the first time.
 
Dabanton said:
Yes.Yes.Yes that's what these guys are not seeing Synder was perfect for the film a 'big name' director comes with too much baggage and expectations imagine for a moment a Speilberg directed Watchmen...shivers.

Gilliam would have been an awful choice the film would have been a disaster with him helming it.

For me the adaptation was very good i'm not going to be an ass and nitpick over certain things as the overall film delivered imo.
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Having spoken with a bunch of people about it I think it wouldn't have been better suited by a "big name" director but rather a drama oriented one, not an action movie one. Watchmen is not an action comic book. It is a drama.
 
Gryphter said:
there was another gaffer here who explained his opinion on the movie, and as I was watching it I started to agree with him 100%.

He said that the movie felt like a collection of the best scenes from the GN played one after another, rather than a movie that combined them all and made them flow together. The movie was very disjointed, as if they shaved the edges off of each scene to fit the alotted time, but shaved too much.

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Yep, I agree with that. Things started out pretty good with one of the best opening credit sequences I've seen in a long time. Very memorable with virtuoso staging and haunting imagery.

I thought the individual flashbacks for characters like Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan were handled well, but I thought the movie as a whole was a mess. Rorschach was fantastic the whole way through.

The action/violence felt out of place, though. True, the GN is violent, but it's not stylish, over-the-top and slick in a 300 kind of way. I know that's the director's signature, but save it for another film. The acting ranged from good to flat-out terrible, and the relationships and interplay between the characters was a big fail.

Also, stuff that reads well in the book rarely translated into natural spoken dialogue. I know it's fan service, but I think they should've massaged that stuff a bit more.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Having spoken with a bunch of people about it I think it wouldn't have been better suited by a "big name" director but rather a drama oriented one, not an action movie one. Watchmen is not an action comic book. It is a drama.
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Agree. But it would be hard to find a drama orientated director that WB would have faith and who has solid box office to helm it without them slicing the budget, maybe Fincher would had been a good fit or Aronofsky.
 
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