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Rottenwatch: WATCHMEN

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jimmbow said:
I love reading some of the Rotten Tomatoes reviews. Most of the people are just a bunch of wanna-be's that use big words and complex sentances to try to sound intelligent. And it fails!
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Yeah it gets more obvious every time you read one.
 
Has anyone seen the HBO behind the scenes featurette?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e454b2i4C-I


The part where Kovacs turns into Rorschach made it into the movie apparently! So awesome. The dialogue has changed a bit though, but I really like it.
Child Molestor: 'Ok, so I confess! Now arrest me!

Rorschach: 'Men get arrested... Dogs get put down'

Awesome!
 
I've really gotta stop watching these clips, I'll have seen the movie before I even go see it. And I already read the book!:lol
 
half a moon said:
So... what's the deal with IMAX. Does this movie hit every IMAX or only certain ones? My local one has two ocean documentaries playing. I see no signs of Watchmen on movietickets.com or their official website. The Jonas Borthers apparently plays from the Feb 27th- March 5th. Not at my location. ...
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Jonas Brothers = IMAX 3D
Watchmen = IMAX
 
Oh, c'mon. You can't compare Watchmen to Blade Runner. I understand you're fans of the source material, but you're taking it way too far.
 
If Watchmen is going to be compared to anything, then it must be....ummm........ The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

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Perhaps.



/As someone who has just read The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, is it worth watching the movie (if only for the lulz)?
 
sionyboy said:
/As someone who has just read The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, is it worth watching the movie (if only for the lulz)?
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I dunno, it was mediocre, but the chick is pretty hot in it.
 
7Th said:
Oh, c'mon. You can't compare Watchmen to Blade Runner. I understand you're fans of the source material, but you're taking it way too far.
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Are you saying Blade Runner is better than Watchmen or reverse?

Because I'd have to say that Watchmen is much much better, but I understand how that can be a weak argument.

I think people are just using Blade Runner to show people that no matter how shitty some early reviews can be, it can end up being one of the most highly regarded movies a few years down the road.

sionyboy said:
/As someone who has just read The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, is it worth watching the movie (if only for the lulz)?
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No.
 
AlternativeUlster said:
:lol Agreed. This shit needs to stop.
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Seriously. You could trot that out for any movie that gets crappy reviews. "Paul Blart: Mall Cop, hey, you never know. Look at Blade Runner. It could be regarded as a classic in five years!"
 
I have a question after reading the GN:
what's the reason why they took the squid out of the movie? Seemingly everybody agrees that original ending only works on paper and not on the big screen, but why?
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Seriously. You could trot that out for any movie that gets crappy reviews. "Paul Blart: Mall Cop, hey, you never know. Look at Blade Runner. It could be regarded as a classic in five years!"
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So basically you're saying that based on early impressions of the movie that Watchmen and Paul Blart have about the same amount of things in common with Blade Runner.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Seriously. You could trot that out for any movie that gets crappy reviews. "Paul Blart: Mall Cop, hey, you never know. Look at Blade Runner. It could be regarded as a classic in five years!"
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:lol That is really fucking funny.

However, I do pray everyday for Freddy Got Fingered to be considered this avant-comedy classic in 20 years by everyone.
 
polyh3dron said:
So basically you're saying that based on early impressions of the movie that Watchmen and Paul Blart have about the same amount of things in common with Blade Runner.
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Yes, that is exactly what I am unsarcastically saying.
 
Oh god, people are now seeing less than stellar reviews, and are now saying this is going to be the next Blade Runner? Am I seriously reading this? :lol

Ridley Scott of the Alien/Blade Runner era had more talent in one finger than Zach Snyder does in his entire body.
 
Solo said:
Oh god, people are now seeing less than stellar reviews, and are now saying this is going to be the next Blade Runner? Am I seriously reading this? :lol

Ridley Scott of the Alien/Blade Runner era had more talent in one finger than Zach Snyder does in his entire body.
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Seriously. I'm going to see it tonight with extreme excitement, but little expectations if that makes sense.
 
Milchjon said:
I have a question after reading the GN:
what's the reason why they took the squid out of the movie? Seemingly everybody agrees that original ending only works on paper and not on the big screen, but why?
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At least to me,
a giant squid randomly appearing on screen and laying waste to everything is just extremely odd. It's not so much the ending itself, but the method. A giant squid, that's possibly the oddest way to end a film I think I could ever hear of, especially when everything else is fairly grounded, aside from Dr. Manhattan.
 
JdFoX187 said:
At least to me,
a giant squid randomly appearing on screen and laying waste to everything is just extremely odd. It's not so much the ending itself, but the method. A giant squid, that's possibly the oddest way to end a film I think I could ever hear of, especially when everything else is fairly grounded, aside from Dr. Manhattan.
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Dr. Manhattan is a pretty tremendous part of Watchmen. Like 1/5th of it, at least. So saying "everything else is fairly grounded," I don't know. Everything from cigarettes to transportation to pets to Nixon's presidency is pretty unnatural and strange in Watchmen.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Dr. Manhattan is a pretty tremendous part of Watchmen. Like 1/5th of it, at least. So saying "everything else is fairly grounded," I don't know. Everything from cigarettes to transportation to pets to Nixon's presidency is pretty unnatural and strange in Watchmen.
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Nothing compares to
a giant squid randomly appearing though.
I think because it's something that was hinted at, but never fully shown until the very end. Where this new ending at least draws upon elements already in the story.
 
JdFoX187 said:
At least to me,
a giant squid randomly appearing on screen and laying waste to everything is just extremely odd. It's not so much the ending itself, but the method. A giant squid, that's possibly the oddest way to end a film I think I could ever hear of, especially when everything else is fairly grounded, aside from Dr. Manhattan.
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Also
you only have a certain amount of time to dedicate to things in movies. Snyder said that every minute he would have to dedicate to explaining the squid is a minute he wants to use to focus on the characters.
 
The problem with all of these rationalizations is that all they seem to do is add more lights to the giant blinking "Maybe This Shouldn't Have Been A Movie Then" sign.
 
JdFoX187 said:
Nothing compares to
a giant squid randomly appearing though.
I think because it's something that was hinted at, but never fully shown until the very end. Where this new ending at least draws upon elements already in the story.
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The squid isn't random.
 
The
squid
doesn't appear randomly, it's all foretold in the last chapters with
the island shit, the painting, the cargo ship,and the genetic splicing. Ozy even explains his perfectly plausible plan (well, for sci-fi standards) right after it shows up. Snyder was just being paranoid thinking the audience would think "What the fuck is this shit?" and leave.
I don't think the new ending is that big a deal but I'm not satisfied with his reasoning for the new ending.

^ Yeah, what he said.
 
Just read the Variety review.

Those of you upset by this review need to understand something:

Variety knows more about movies than you.

While I've no doubt I'll enjoy the movie, I'm not anticipating the second coming of Jerry Maguire here.
 
8bit said:
The squid isn't random.
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For the movie, it would be. Like the guy above said, it either randomly appears and people are like "what the fuck?" or it's foretold through the entire film, thus stretching it out even longer.

Google said:
Just read the Variety review.

Those of you upset by this review need to understand something:

Variety knows more about movies than you.

While I've no doubt I'll enjoy the movie, I'm not anticipating the second coming of Jerry Maguire here.
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Eh, Variety has their hits and misses. I wouldn't necessarily say they know more about movies than we do. They just have the fortune of getting paid to spew their incoherent voices to the masses where we do it for free.
 
Google said:
Just read the Variety review.

Those of you upset by this review need to understand something:

Variety knows more about movies than you.
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Well isn't that statement a tad pretentious.
 
birdman said:
Well isn't that statement a tad pretentious.
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Wall Street Journal knows more about the stock market than you.

Variety is the lifeblood of the movie industry. It is the very definition of a "trade publication" that "trade" being the movie industry. It is not pretentious at all to say they know more about the business of movies than you. Unless you happen to work in the industry.

Either way "pretentious" probably isn't the right word. Maybe if we were talking about Vice or The New Yorker.
 
Google said:
Variety knows more about movies than you.
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I was fine with everything else you said but that line is utter, utter shit.

So automatically a pretentious coffee-sniffing journalist knows more about movies than anybody else? Maybe some of us love movies but can't be bothered to write about it. I hate this stupid motion that press, in any industry, are "above" people and happen to know more about any given subject within their respective industries.

I don't give a shit about reviews, I've enjoyed poorly reviewed movies (not like Watchmen is poorly reviewed, mind) and I've disliked well reviewed movies. I only care about one opinion, and that's mine. If my interest has peaked from reading updates, seeing trailers, liking the plot then I will see it.
 
Jesus, this thread has become *say something stupid* *everybody freak out about stupid thing* cycle.:lol You guys are driving yourselves crazy.
 
Google said:
Variety knows more about movies than you.
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I could give a fuck less if some reviewer knows more about the movie business than me. That won't change my opinion on a movie if I loved it and the reviewer didn't.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Wall Street Journal knows more about the stock market than you.

Variety is the lifeblood of the movie industry. It is the very definition of a "trade publication" that "trade" being the movie industry. It is not pretentious at all to say they know more about the business of movies than you. Unless you happen to work in the industry.

Either way "pretentious" probably isn't the right word. Maybe if we were talking about Vice or The New Yorker.
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No, it was the right word. That statement is used to say "They always know what is a good or bad movie, and if you think opposite you are wrong" which, to be perfectly frank, is never easy to figure out unless the movie is pure shit.
 
My point was just that it wasn't pretentious of him to say that. They quite literally know more about movies than anyone in this thread. They talk to studio heads, agents, writers, actors, producers; every day. They know what's coming out in the summer of 2012. Some people are reading a lot more into that simple sentence, but factually, it's tautologically sound.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
My point was just that it wasn't pretentious of him to say that. They quite literally know more about movies than anyone in this thread. They talk to studio heads, agents, writers, actors, producers; every day. They know what's coming out in the summer of 2012. Some people are reading a lot more into that simple sentence, but factually, it's tautologically sound.
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I agree with you on that. They do literally know more about movies, but I just don't think that was how he meant to use the statement.

Edit: In actuality, I just have a problem with Variety. They just like to throw around buzz words(which I haven't figured out if they do that to be pretentious or to mock it), and they've been doing it for years.
 
birdman said:
I agree with you on that. They do literally know more about movies, but I just don't think that was how he meant to use the statement.
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I don't know, man. At this point people are displaying a sensitivity towards any slight against this movie that is usually reserved for platform exclusives. I honestly don't get it. There are tons of people who have never even read the book. It's not like Snyder is this following-worthy talent. Is it because 300 because such a meme-crazy movie with all the Sparta stuff? I'm trying to wrap my head around the current zeal with which this movie is currently defended and rationalized.

It's weird because on the comics side, the fanboy factions are not at all on the side of the original work. Everyone's too busy dressing up as a rapist who shot a pregnant lady in the stomach at conventions. It's like "Do you guys know what this book is even about? Do you know who Rorschach really is when you put that outfit on your 8 year old son?"

It's perplexing to me. It's like if I went to San Diego Comicon and everybody was dressed like Hal Incandenza from Infinite Jest.

I'm not saying its the worst thing in the world. Lord knows I am fanatical about a great many things. I just personally do not understand it in this particular instance.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I don't know, man. At this point people are displaying a sensitivity towards any slight against this movie that is usually reserved for platform exclusives. I honestly don't get it. There are tons of people who have never even read the book. It's not like Snyder is this following-worthy talent. Is it because 300 because such a meme-crazy movie with all the Sparta stuff? I'm trying to wrap my head around the current zeal with which this movie is currently defended and rationalized.

It's weird because on the comics side, the fanboy factions are not at all on the side of the original work. Everyone's too busy dressing up as a rapist who shot a pregnant lady in the stomach at conventions. It's like "Do you guys know what this book is even about? Do you know who Rorschach really is when you put that outfit on your 8 year old son?"

It's perplexing to me. It's like if I went to San Diego Comicon and everybody was dressed like Hal Incandenza from Infinite Jest.

I'm not saying its the worst thing in the world. Lord knows I am fanatical about a great many things. I just personally do not understand it in this particular instance.
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Because it needs to be good. The Watchmen fans can't let this movie be shit because the general public will equate the graphic novel with "that shitty comic movie that came out" and the (proclaimed by the fans, and not being a douche about it at all) best graphic novel ever is akin to being worth nothing. Of course to them it's still the best, but then they will be scrutinized.
 
birdman said:
Because it needs to be good. The Watchmen fans can't let this movie be shit because the general public will equate the graphic novel with "that shitty comic movie that came out" and the (proclaimed by the fans, and not being a douche about it at all) best graphic novel ever is akin to being worth nothing. Of course to them it's still the best, but then they will be scrutinized.
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But that ship has sailed, dude. Seriously. It's clear that the concessions made to the story at this point have diverged the movie version of Watchmen irrevocably from the original text. Whether some people prefer it or not, I don't see how a "Watchmen [fan]" can look at this movie as having any real connection to the original printed work. It is a work of immense detail, all of which contributes to the tone of the work and about 8% of which will ever even have a chance of being captured in film.
 
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