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Rottenwatch: WATCHMEN

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lawblob said:
Well, that was great. Ozymandias was fucking awesome.

he was terrible. obvious miscast. It was obvious he was the villain from the first second he was on screen in the movie. no subtlety at all. he didn't have anywhere near the physical build either. you never believed for a second that he could pick up a big guy like the comedian and hurl him across the room.
 
Kastro said:
he was terrible. obvious miscast. It was obvious he was the villain from the first second he was on screen in the movie. no subtlety at all. he didn't have anywhere near the physical build either. you never believed for a second that he could pick up a big guy like the comedian and hurl him across the room.

I had a problem with him at first but he grew on me. He has his own unique style of combat - and you can see that style when he's
beating the fucking stuffing out of the comedian.
Seemed like he had two accents going on though which made all of his scenes a little off putting.

polyh3dron said:
No more ridiculous than a huge naked blue guy.
GTFO
 
Kastro said:
he was terrible. obvious miscast. It was obvious he was the villain from the first second he was on screen in the movie. no subtlety at all. he didn't have anywhere near the physical build either. you never believed for a second that he could pick up a big guy like the comedian and hurl him across the room.

Yeah, and a fat nerd and sexy vixen can beat up an entire room of felons without a sweat. BTW, its physically impossible for any human to throw someone across the room. The violence was stylized, it had to be, otherwise Hollywood would never have made it.
 
Evlar said:
You were mistaken. In the book the mask(s) are made from a Manhattan-age material that had been used to make a designer dress. When the woman who had ordered the dress decided she didn't want it after all Rorschach helped himself too it, experimented with it, and ended up with the inkblot mask. In my recollection there is no indication that the material responded to human emotion as a dress or as a mask. That would sort of defeat the purpose- the theory behind the Rorschach inkblot test is allowing the human mind to create patterns out of random shapes, and the nature of those patterns informs the clinician about the state of the viewers' mind. Rorschach's mask is the face of senselessness- any meaning is provided by the people looking at him. His own feelings are completely obscured.

i don't understand what you're talking about. all i remember from the novel was that the mask was made from a woman's dress that she didn't want. I never got the idea that the inkblots were in constant motion. that makes no sense in a universe that was established as being fairly realistic.

DaMan121 said:
Yeah, and a fat nerd and sexy vixen can beat up an entire room of felons without a sweat.

without a sweat? did you even read the comic? I remember them both sweating pretty hard after that encounter. so much so that laurie had to pull out a cigarette afterwards.
 
Bpatrol said:
nd the speech on mars about
miracles and than the zoom out to show that they're inside a smiley face. Just felt out of place and kinda cheesy.

Supposedly that is a real
crater
on Mars.
 
Acid08 said:
You really think a
giant squid with a gigantic brain on top
is no weirder than a Dr. M? Wow man.
My point is that once you pass that threshold from reality to fantasy, what's the difference.
Ozy can catch bullets for chrissake.
 
Kastro said:
I never got the idea that the inkblots were in constant motion. that makes no sense in a universe that was established as being fairly realistic.

Nope, the ink moves as he changes facial expressions.
 
Kastro said:
I never got the idea that the inkblots were in constant motion. that makes no sense in a universe that was established as being fairly realistic.
When Dr. Manhattan came into being it allowed for huge technological breakthroughs on all fronts, including the world of fashion.
 
Kastro said:
i don't understand what you're talking about. all i remember from the novel was that the mask was made from a woman's dress that she didn't want. I never got the idea that the inkblots were in constant motion. that makes no sense in a universe that was established as being fairly realistic.

Go back and look at the book. You don't have to read it. Aside from the backstory of the mask, the inkblots change frequently in the artwork. It is never a static image.

And like the poster who explained the backstory said, the mask came about because of Dr. Manhattan's contributions to science that leaked over into fashion and other industries. In the post-Manhattan world it's entirely plausible.
 
NullPointer said:
Seemed like he had two accents going on though which made all of his scenes a little off putting.

American accent when he is in front of the press or business men. Relaxed foreign accent when he is amongst other Crimebusters etc.
 
polyh3dron said:
No more ridiculous than a huge naked blue guy.

I'm talking presentation wise. Not this fantasy threshold mumbo-jumbo.

It would've looked silly, and i bet you if they kept it intact; people would have laughed at it.
 
blue penis

that's all i remember from the movie :D

Nah. IT was an okay movie. But it had me falling asleep most of the time until the very end.
 
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This movie isn't a train-wreck. The new ending works. No, it's not better than the comic, but does a great job overall, I thought.
 
YYZ said:
Anyway, is
Ozymandius a pedophile?
There was a STRONG hint towards that fact. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see that in the graphic novel, but I was watching the motion comic because I was short on time.


The theory is he's gay. He does have a folder conveniently named "boys" on his computer in the movie.
 
I was perfectly satisfied by this film. Is it perfect? Not quite, but it damn sure stands all on it's own. I think too many people have spent their time discussing about what's wrong with the film they never stopped to see how much they got right. Which is, most everything. reading up on the stuff the studio wanted to take out, it's incredible how close to the novel it really is. I don't feel slighted by this film much at all. Definitely worthwhile and excellently executed.

It's not a page for page soulless rip off, which is what I was most worried about before any changed ending. tiny things, like the swinging bathroom door in the prison scene in particular, speak to how well a film could tell a graphic novel's story.

Snyder pulled through as I hoped and then some. His world-building skills went above and beyond - you are there, in this universe. It has a history all it's own. Really quite fascinating.


Any gripes? Sure, I guess.
-Nixon was a bit cheap (not terrible, just very low rent).
-Silk Spectre II is "the katie holmes" of this movie (brightyoungthing's words) - a serviceable lady, but not as execeptional as the people she plays off of. She gets better as the film goes on.
-the sex goes on a bit long. I just hope snyder didn't take it as seriously as the length of it implied. seriously, borderline softcore porn territory.
-The ending was not as grandiose as I hoped. It was treated with about as much gravity as any other reveal in the film. then again, the film didn't seem to have a whole lot of concern for plot, given all the wonderful flashbacks that consisted of pretty much all of the first half. It just languished in it's universe and it's not often you see that these days. You pretty much never see it in such a big budget film either. Oh look, I'm digressing fro mthe negatives.:lol


Given that this is pretty much the first time I've been to a movie where I've read the book prior, and that it's also just about my favorite book, I gotta say, I really was not disappointed. I'll post more observations later, but I just wanted to say, there really is nothing to worry about dudez. This film delivered.
 
This better be the best damn movie I've ever seen. My roommate wants to go see it, but he wants to see it at an Imax. I've never been to one, and I'm sure they're great and all, but $14? I'm not made of money you know!
 
Read the comic.
Watched the movie.
Both were awesome.

The few people I heard on the way out of the theater were hilarious:

"I loved when that dude said 'I'm not a comic book villain.' It was so witty and badass."

"Movies like that that try and pull off realistic superheros usually fail. Only batman got it right."

"Rorschach's journal..." /heavy Asian accent.

"I really liked it, but so much of it was cliche."
 
EviLore said:
No villain, far as I'm concerned. But sure, if you look at things in terms of who violated the most personal islands against their inalienable rights ;b

You have a funny way of describing mass murder. :P
 
Echoes of Pink said:
Read the comic.
Watched the movie.
Both were awesome.

The few people I heard on the way out of the theater were hilarious:

"I loved when that dude said 'I'm not a comic book villain.' It was so witty and badass."

"Movies like that that try and pull off realistic superheros usually fail. Only batman got it right."

"Rorschach's journal..." /heavy Asian accent.

"I really liked it, but so much of it was cliche."
:lol :lol i coulda swore this old dude a couple seats over from me kept turning his head to see my reactions to stuff in the film, almost as if to say "You're buying this bullshit?":lol
 
Things I wanna see in my Ultimate Cut:

More psychologist, post-interview.
more Manhattan, pre-accident.
perhaps generally more Veidt.
Longer ending.


That's about it. That's pretty much all I'd need to make this a perfect adaptation in my book. Black Freighter's not even necessary.
 
Forkball said:
Manhattan should've said "Nothing ever changes." like in the comic. That was one of the best and most ominous lines in the story.

What was up with Nite Owl's uniform when he was in Antarctica. It reminded me of those strange superhero toys when I was a kid like Arctic Batman or Deep Sea Spider-Man.
The line is "Nothing ever ends," referring to Doc Manhattan's view of time.

And I haven't seen the movie yet, but I thought that Nite Owl's auxiliary suits are supposed to look like those funky versions of superhero figurines, but with more cloth and less rigidity.
 
holy shit when rorschach
thre the oil on the guys face
I was like OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMG :O

so many fucking awesome moments in this movie...the fights were amzing, and the violence was brutal, just the way i like it.

Now to read the book, which i have in my hands thanks to my friend i saw the movie with :D
 
birdman said:
Just to get more Jeffrey Dean Morgan. I know I do.
It was a good choice to have him be the constant theme of the film. That guy totally nailed it.

And Earle is totally Clint Eastwood. Totally.
 
layzie1989 said:
holy shit when rorschach
thre the oil on the guys face

I'll give you that.

But, honestly, if you guys think the fights in this movie were awesome you need to get out more. I found them really, really boring. I couldn't wait for them to be over.
 
Flynn said:
I'll give you that.

But, honestly, if you guys think the fights in this movie were awesome you need to get out more. I found them really, really boring. I couldn't wait for them to be over.

you mean you didn't like ozy kicking rorsharch across the room with a single kick?!
 
Flynn said:
No, the knife fight in Eastern Promises was awesome. The fights in Watchmen were Might Morphing Power Rangers with no sense of humor.
Meh I reallly enjoyed the fighting in Eastern Promises and Watchmen. I found the fighting very exciting especially the alley and Comedian scenes.
 
movie was pretty cool in many ways (loved the visuals, j.e.h. as rorschach was a revelation) but in other ways was clearly flawed (strange soundtrack choices, female performances a total joke). i also feel that, for me, it emphasized that the comic's story was not so flawless as i had once thought, and was helped tremendously by the huge amount of work put into fleshing out the world (including the supplemental materials between issues).

overall, enjoyable.
 
Akim said:
Seriously?

....

:lol

I don't mean the entries themselves, just specifically the "Rorshach's journal" line. Isn't it obvious when we hear his voice?

The comic has to state that because we can't hear the voice.

I just feel like if you were writing a journal you wouldn't state your name for every entry.

i realize that's nitpicking but the more I think about the movie the more I find nitpickable.
 
Kastro said:
I don't mean the entries themselves, just specifically the "Rorshach's journal" line. Isn't it obvious when we hear his voice?

The comic has to state that because we can't hear the voice.

I just feel like if you were writing a journal you wouldn't state your name for every entry.

i realize that's nitpicking but the more I think about the movie the more I find nitpickable.

How would we know when he was just talking to himself or when he was writing in his journal. The journal entries are important to the story.
 
Akim said:
How would we know when he was just talking to himself or when he was writing in his journal. The journal entries are important to the story.

It would be obvious when he dumps the journal in the mailbox at the end wouldn't it?

Or would that be asking too much of the audience to put together?
 
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