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Rottenwatch: WATCHMEN

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bistromathics said:
How did they find out
Veidt was in Antarctica in the book? I can't remember, but I sure hope it wasn't by Night Owl guessing his password :\
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Dan spots that Adrian is leaving to Karnak in his appointment book and figures out it's his Antartic retreat. Manhattan and Laurie has also been there before.
 
bistromathics said:
Yes, and that makes it even worse...

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Ozymandias is another name for Ramses II. The smartest man in the world should be able to pick a password more secure than his own name!
I seriously don't know why that was even in the film - I sure don't remember it from the book, and it was such a minor detail. How did they find out
Veidt was in Antarctica in the book? I can't remember, but I sure hope it wasn't by Night Owl guessing his password :\
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The password thing was in the book as far as I remember. The scene was a little bit more complicated but it was there.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
The level of nitpicking that you guys engage in just reeks of an absurd level of nerdiness.


Seriously.
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I am trying my best not to nitpick for I take the novel and the movie as separate entities.

Oh and It makes me sad when I read the review for the reviewers expect a Spiderman-ish superhero movie with sweet PG-13 sequences. I told my friends not to expect a superhero movie for they aren't super to begin with.

Ventrue said:
The password thing was in the book as far as I remember. The scene was a little bit more complicated but it was there.
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Not a little bit more complicated, a little bit more stupid.

"RAMESES. Access Denied but you're close. Did you forget to enter something in front of it?"

Infact, that scene was stupid to begin with.
 
You know, the sex scene was a big problem for me too. Just completely needless and pornographic. I mean, not because it was explicit, but because it was sex/boobs for the sake of sex/boobs, and nothing else. And Snyder dwells on it for way too long to the point of absurdity.

Plus, the studio version of Cohen's Hallelujah is really shitty and cheesy. (And that's coming from a big Cohen fan.)
 
eLGee said:
Dan spots that Adrian is leaving to Karnak in his appointment book and figures out it's his Antartic retreat. Manhattan and Laurie has also been there before.
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Yeah, also in the book Dan finds out about Veidt's connection to that Pyramid company by guessing the password on the computer.
 
Aristotlekh said:
You know, the sex scene was a big problem for me too. Just completely needless and pornographic. I mean, not because it was explicit, but because it was sex/boobs for the sake of sex/boobs, and nothing else. And Snyder dwells on it for way too long to the point of absurdity.

Plus, the studio version of Cohen's Hallelujah is really shitty and cheesy. (And that's coming from a big Cohen fan.)
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It's not there for sex/boobs. It's more of a "I'm back, Bitches!" for Nite Owl, and It shows how badly SSII wants to get fucked.
 
Aristotlekh said:
You know, the sex scene was a big problem for me too. Just completely needless and pornographic. I mean, not because it was explicit, but because it was sex/boobs for the sake of sex/boobs, and nothing else. And Snyder dwells on it for way too long to the point of absurdity.

Plus, the studio version of Cohen's Hallelujah is really shitty and cheesy. (And that's coming from a big Cohen fan.)
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I think the problem was that it wasn't sexy. A good sex scene can be very satisfying -- a culmination of a relationship. But here it wasn't all that thrilling, I think that's because the relationship between the two wasn't terribly fleshed out. I think they undersold the fetishy angle -- the way Dan couldn't get it up until he was in costume.
 
If anything it says they can't perform unless they're in(out) of costume. *shrug*

Issues...

Edit: Beaten

Gotta admit though. Nite Owl's movie costume is at least a dozen times better-looking than his GN costume.

Plus none of those terrible hover-segways.
 
Just saw it, it's an excellent adaptation, but similar to 300 (aside from the obvious difference in source quality/material), that only makes for an ok movie.


Pacing was the biggest problem. Still, my gf liked it more than I did, even though she didn't read the comic before.

Superb job on the casting, btw.
 
I thought it was awesome, if somebody didnt like the movie they probably wouldnt have liked the book. Which speaks volumes of how faithful a translation it was.

So yeah, excellent.
 
Oh, and I was surprised but delighted that they replaced the squid/alien part from Ozzy's plan with an infinitely less stupid one.
 
Watchmen is likely the truest comic book-to-movie ever, funnily enough.

I don't know if Fleischer Superman counts because there's no real continuity to base that claim of accuracy. :lol

Maybe DC will realize after Watchmen that there's no such thing as a too cheesy Superman
 
Flynn said:
I think the problem was that it wasn't sexy. A good sex scene can be very satisfying -- a culmination of a relationship. But here it wasn't all that thrilling, I think that's because the relationship between the two wasn't terribly fleshed out. I think they undersold the fetishy angle -- the way Dan couldn't get it up until he was in costume.
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Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with it if a) we got a few more minutes of relationship development besides "ooh look at these goggles aren't I romantic" and b), yeah, if the fetishy part was elaborated. Or if we saw some sexual idiosyncracies or something. As it stands it's just two people fucking for like 3 solid minutes. And that's stupid and undercuts whatever intellect the movie otherwise has.
 
Rorschach's
Prison scenes/dialouges (espacially "I'm not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with me!")
got the most cheers. Awesome performance. :D

Also, i also liked the very simple/effective way of removing the entire sequence of Rorschach
finding his mask after the prison escape.
 
HOLY SHIT!

WB Viral Marketing includes time-travel!

http://www.msss.com/education/happy_face/happy_face.html
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bistromathics said:
Yes, and that makes it even worse...

edit (clarification):
Ozymandias is another name for Ramses II. The smartest man in the world should be able to pick a password more secure than his own name!
I seriously don't know why that was even in the film - I sure don't remember it from the book, and it was such a minor detail. How did they find out
Veidt was in Antarctica in the book? I can't remember, but I sure hope it wasn't by Night Owl guessing his password :\
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In the book he does
guess the password and it's the same (RAMSES II)
, it's in Chapter 10. It's only slightly different, and honestly I think the movie handled it better.
 
I think they undersold the fetishy angle -- the way Dan couldn't get it up until he was in costume.
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I think it was plainly obvious. Its funny how Western audiences react to sex scenes in general though. If you look at movies from Europe, they have the most random sex scenes in movies.
 
bistromathics said:
Yes, and that makes it even worse...

edit (clarification):
Ozymandias is another name for Ramses II. The smartest man in the world should be able to pick a password more secure than his own name!
I seriously don't know why that was even in the film - I sure don't remember it from the book, and it was such a minor detail. How did they find out
Veidt was in Antarctica in the book? I can't remember, but I sure hope it wasn't by Night Owl guessing his password :\
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In addition to being the smartest man in the world, Ozy is also a narcissist.
 
joey_z said:
Also, the movie as anyone would have noticed was high in gore. But hey, for some reason Snyder decided it would be a good idea to not show off the imagery of all the dead people in Manhattan. The moment the viewer was supposed to really understand what had happened and how severe the devastation was just seemed to be omitted. Far too many liberties taken with the end. [/spoiler]
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It was because of 9/11 http://io9.com/5160960/how-911-changed-watchmen
 
StoOgE said:
I like Snyders films, I was talking more like a AAA director from a money making standpoint. A big part of the marketing of this movie was Snyder himself.
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In this regard then, I definitely agree. Hes a profitable filmmaker, no doubt. Hes like the next Michael Bay, for better or worse.

EDIT: by which I mean (with the Bay comparison) that he makes highly stylized movies that are profitable, despite having lots of people who vocally dislike his style, before anyone jumps on my nuts
 
Solo said:
In this regard then, I definitely agree. Hes a profitable filmmaker, no doubt. Hes like the next Michael Bay, for better or worse.

EDIT: by which I mean (with the Bay comparison) that he makes highly stylized movies that are profitable, despite having lots of people who vocally dislike his style, before anyone jumps on my nuts
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HOW CAN YO--Oh okay.
 
Just watched it. Random spoilers, no particular order.

Hrm. I left feeling unsatisfied. Dr. Manhattan back story + mars with photo was probably my favorite part of the film. I think Manhattan was the highlight of the film period. Rorschach was excellent too. I see they changed the fire scene, and changed it to a lot of cleaving? I think the squid change worked fine. Hmm... oh yes, why couldn't Manhattan say the nothing ever ends line? And why did Night Owl have to witness the execution of Rorschach? I think the scene with Ozzy killing his help was a bit cheap too compared to the comic.

Didn't like the music as has been mentioned, the best music was when Manhattan was going through his time period back story. The sex scenes were fine... to me anyway. Think SSII was pulled off relatively fine, her fast in the pants ways anyway. The rape scene with SSI was good. Night owl was perfect I think, as I imagined him. The prison scene changes weren't so bad, was left unaffected. The Archie saving random people scene felt a bit odd and just random, kinda disturbed the flow of the movie. And, yeah the suit fetish kinda was too subtle.

I also find funny people calling it incredible violent. It felt rather tame to me.
Scene with Manhattan blowing everyone up and guts and bones on the ceiling was good. The pregnant shooting could have been a bit more direct, think he shot her in the stomach in the comic, frontal view. A bit more impact.

Blue penis wasn't nearly as big a deal as some people made it? And I feel the ending lacked the punch of the comic.

Overall, decent movie. 3/5. I don't know if it could have been better. The comic felt much better. Maybe the Director's Cut can redeem it.
 
Just saw it. WOW, the first half was all over the place. Lots of scenes were well-choreographed but the acting, pacing, and score felt really inappropriate. I really hope the director's cut fixes this. But the second half starting with Rorshack finding
Moloch dead
was bloody AMAZING. Jaw-dropping special effects, Manhattan on Mars, Nite Owl actually being cool, the actions sequences (it is Snyder's specialty :D), Antarctica, all of that was perfect. Hell, even the new ending and retcons felt right. Hope the director's cut fits everything in the end.
 
yeah, i thought the first part of the movie was really disjointed. 2nd half was pretty good. but god damn, i just couldn't get over the silly slow-motion shit/freeze-frame shit.

but really, i didn't feel like the movie was even needed because it didn't present anything new to my imagination. i guess thats cuz it was a graphic novel and i could see the frames in the comic. i'd rather just read the book one more time than watch the movie again.
 
Amibguous Cad said:
Were those lesbian heroes in the credits in the GN? I don't remember them...
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Yeah. Silhouette. And it's 'hero', the other chick was her lover, she wasn't in the Minutemen.
From Hollis Mason's bookage. Reading is fundamental.
 
Amibguous Cad said:
Were those lesbian heroes in the credits in the GN? I don't remember her...
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Only the one with black hair is a vigilante. That's The Silhouette. One of the Minutemen. She was murdered (as you see in the credits) because of her sexuality. She's mentioned briefly in the comic, but more elaborately (iirc) in the Under the Hood text
 
PacoDG said:
It was because of 9/11 http://io9.com/5160960/how-911-changed-watchmen
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I thought showing the JFK assassination
by the Comedian
was pretty shocking and would still stand out compared to any imagery they would have shown had the gore been in the final act.

I'm trying to view this movie from the point of view of someone that hasn't read the graphic novel and I'm wondering if any of the depth and emotions could carry through without the imagery of the final act that was portrayed in the graphic novel.
Not only the gore, but also how Dan and Laurie just leave Veidt. It strips away the depth in the moral character of the two, leaving them as two dimensional. If you're going to go through with staying true to source material, the final few scenes were extremely questionable as to what in the world Snyder or Hayter were thinking.

It almost feels like the movie was castrated while it was on a roll.
 
Jesus, this was so bad. I really wanted to like this movie, I'm so disappointed it gives me a headache. They *almost* had it too if they didn't muck up the pacing and storytelling. It was just flat out boring. GAH.
 
An obvious one, but nos less awesome...
MinutemenLastSupper.jpg

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The funny thing is have the concept ar book where you have a storyboard image of this scene that is all over the place, then you have a cocept art that was a tribute to the last supper and look a lot like the real image and at the end you had a real photo of the movie were the movements of the caharacters are totally different from the ones you see in the movie and the concept art so before I saw the movie I thought the last supper tribute was not in the movie, Im glad they did at the end.
 
bistromathics said:
Yes, and that makes it even worse...

edit (clarification):
Ozymandias is another name for Ramses II. The smartest man in the world should be able to pick a password more secure than his own name!
I seriously don't know why that was even in the film - I sure don't remember it from the book, and it was such a minor detail. How did they find out
Veidt was in Antarctica in the book? I can't remember, but I sure hope it wasn't by Night Owl guessing his password :\
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While I don't think it was stated outright, I always got the impression in the book that
ozy WANTED them to find out his password, so he made it easy to guess.
 
Darunia said:
Only the one with black hair is a vigilante. That's The Silhouette. One of the Minutemen. She was murdered (as you see in the credits) because of her sexuality. She's mentioned briefly in the comic, but more elaborately (iirc) in the Under the Hood text
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Actually in the GN supplements Sillluote was murdered by unnamed adversary looking for revenge, she was ejected from the Minutemen by Miss Jupiter's agent because of her sexuality and apparently her identity being splashed all over the papers.
 
bistromathics said:
I went in hopeful and came out disappointed. Seemed like it was pretty good for a while, but I think I was just reacting to the very awesome action sequences. I was willing to let a lot of things slide and call it an alright film, but I got really annoyed when
Dan guesses Veidt's password. Really? Smartest man in the world chooses Ramses II as his password? When his fucking pseudonym is Ozymandias? REALLY?
. Seems like a nitpick and I don't know why it bothered me so much, but it definitely changed the way I watched the rest of the movie; from then on I think I was actually looking for more things to dislike. That's a shame.
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Perhaps it was intentional?
 
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