This may sound weird but I saw the movie a second time and absolutely loved it. Which is even stranger given the fact that on my first viewing I was alone and ended up disappointed but today I was with a few friends that haven't read the graphic novel.
It was just so entertaining to watch after that initial viewing. I felt obligated to have an opinion while I was watching it the first time, which led to a really uncomfortable experience. Trying to scrutinize everything and looking too much into the film really didn't help.
Now I'm not going to tell anyone to go watch it a second time because maybe I was just in a good mood or something, but it definitely changed my view of the movie and I'm glad I gave it a second chance.
This may sound weird but I saw the movie a second time and absolutely loved it. Which is even stranger given the fact that on my first viewing I was alone and ended up disappointed but today I was with a few friends that haven't read the graphic novel.
It was just so entertaining to watch after that initial viewing. I felt obligated to have an opinion while I was watching it the first time, which led to a really uncomfortable experience. Trying to scrutinize everything and looking too much into the film really didn't help.
Now I'm not going to tell anyone to go watch it a second time because maybe I was just in a good mood or something, but it definitely changed my view of the movie and I'm glad I gave it a second chance.
This may sound weird but I saw the movie a second time and absolutely loved it. Which is even stranger given the fact that on my first viewing I was alone and ended up disappointed but today I was with a few friends that haven't read the graphic novel.
It was just so entertaining to watch after that initial viewing. I felt obligated to have an opinion while I was watching it the first time, which led to a really uncomfortable experience. Trying to scrutinize everything and looking too much into the film really didn't help.
Now I'm not going to tell anyone to go watch it a second time because maybe I was just in a good mood or something, but it definitely changed my view of the movie and I'm glad I gave it a second chance.
This may sound weird but I saw the movie a second time and absolutely loved it. Which is even stranger given the fact that on my first viewing I was alone and ended up disappointed but today I was with a few friends that haven't read the graphic novel.
It was just so entertaining to watch after that initial viewing. I felt obligated to have an opinion while I was watching it the first time, which led to a really uncomfortable experience. Trying to scrutinize everything and looking too much into the film really didn't help.
Now I'm not going to tell anyone to go watch it a second time because maybe I was just in a good mood or something, but it definitely changed my view of the movie and I'm glad I gave it a second chance.
You know how people can watch the good parts of movies enough times until it gets a bit boring? I like to think it works with bad things too. Eventually you can see bad bits enough where it stops bothering you.
Ouch. Watchmen made only 5.5 mil yesterday (friday) and is projected to make 18 mil this weekend now. A extremely disastrous near 68% drop. At this rate it's going to limp to 100-110 million.
Ouch. Watchmen made only 5.5 mil yesterday (friday) and is projected to make 18 mil this weekend now. A extremely disastrous near 68% drop. At this rate it's going to limp to 100-110 million.
Ouch. Watchmen made only 5.5 mil yesterday (friday) and is projected to make 18 mil this weekend now. A extremely disastrous near 68% drop. At this rate it's going to limp to 100-110 million.
i finally saw it this evening, i'm a huge fan of the graphic novel, i've probably read it 3 or 4 times, that being said i think the movie was largely successful in adapting the story
some elements of the film were really impressive imo, i particularly loved the Comedian's Funeral, Dr. Manhattan's origin & stuff on Mars were great, and all things Rorschach, these parts were largely great because the source material is fantastic, and they didn't fuck with it, so basically they nailed those scenes
great elements:
Dr. Manhattan
Mars
The Comedian
Rorschach
not so nice:
some soundtrack choices
ending felt sort of rushed
I also didnt like how they switched the scene with Rorschach & the child killer, scene was much better in the GN with the handcuffs, hacksaw, and fire
as opposed to just taking a hatchet to the pedo's face[/quote]
I'd need a lot more time to post up better impressions, but overall i think it was good, because it was an extremely faithful adaptation that mostly got it right, the movie sort of came up short at the end, but looking at the bigger picture the movie got so much right that its hard to be too negative towards it, i think the movie will be scene as a pretty great achievement sometime down the road, perhaps when we get the DC this summer
I actually didn't feel like the movie really felt long at all. Kind of surprising, but length wasn't an issue for me.
I'm of two minds about the movie, I think. On the one hand, I did rather enjoy it, and for the most part, aside from some nitpicks, it tried really hard to be faithful.
On the other hand, I don't the movie works AT ALL if you're not already familiar with the story. Or, at the very least, it's not the best introduction to it. The film felt disjointed (you could clearly see when one chapter of the comic ended and the next began, often making for very harsh and awkward transitions), most explanations of actual present events were rushed or glossed over in favor of the very rich backstories, and even things like the opening montage, as cool as it was, did a poor job of actually explaining itself to uninformed viewers.
I think my biggest character issues were with Laurie, though, and it wasn't just her god awful acting. She just really wasn't the same character that was in the comics. At all.
Almost all of her character traits beyond "resident vagina owner" were completely absent in the film. Gone was her smoking habit and her stated intentions of quitting. Gone was her being insulted by being addressed by her mother's name. Hell, they even list her as "Laurie Jupiter" in the credits. Gone is most of the strain between her and her mother as well as her angst over being pushed into the superhero business (she only even mentions this in passing once that I can recall in the movie). Gone is almost all the awkwardness and flirtation with Dan, jumping almost inexplicably from "I'm thinking of Jon" to "Hey let's fuck" for absolutely no reason. Any and all emotional depth and dimension is just gone from her in the movie. Her only role apparently is to smile and nag when necessary. And cry a little. Just really poorly handled.
Oh, and as for Adrian,
the comic devoted entire chapters toward building up Ozymandias, intricately detailing his motivations. The movie, however, did almost everything related to Veidt and his motivations in a hurry, and some of what they did reveal hinted too directly at his scheming ways too early in the film. As a result, despite actually having the same intentions with the same goals and even a somewhat similar plan, movie Ozymandias comes off more like a typical villain than the conflicted but Machiavellian hero he is in the comic. Yet by the same token, he also seems to take more chastisement and insults in the movie. While he seemed truly kingly in the comic, haughty and proud of his mighty deeds that brought great change for the better (as he perceives it), in the movie he is sad, less willing to take pleasure in his victory. In the movie it seems that the lack of universally glowing approval of his works hurts Veidt more than his great achievement lifts him up. Which just doesn't really seem true to the character. The man steeled himself to go this far. I don't believe him so fragile as to appear almost pouty when the others leave in the end.
That said, some other characters were just perfect. The Comedian and Rorschach in particular were both exceptionally well handled and felt spot on. And really, I did enjoy it.
But I also wouldn't recommend it to anyone without them reading the comic first. When combined with the graphic novel, it's a great and visually rich look into the world of Watchmen, which is, of course, a master work of its own medium. When it's divorced from its source material and simply viewed as a piece of filmmaking, it's just really not a very good film on its own merits.
Really surprised by all the hate the film is getting (besides the criticisms of those familiar with the source material). Judged purely as a film, I thought it was a triumph. As someone totally unfamiliar with the graphic novel, who had little knowledge of the movie besides the the assumption that it would be a vaguely postmodern, slightly satirical superhero flick, I thought it was amazing from beginning to end. Sure the token chick was fairly shallow, but Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan were superb performances.
One of the best films I've seem in a very, very long time.
Ouch. Watchmen made only 5.5 mil yesterday (friday) and is projected to make 18 mil this weekend now. A extremely disastrous near 68% drop. At this rate it's going to limp to 100-110 million.
I actually didn't feel like the movie really felt long at all. Kind of surprising, but length wasn't an issue for me.
I'm of two minds about the movie, I think. On the one hand, I did rather enjoy it, and for the most part, aside from some nitpicks, it tried really hard to be faithful.
On the other hand, I don't the movie works AT ALL if you're not already familiar with the story. Or, at the very least, it's not the best introduction to it. The film felt disjointed (you could clearly see when one chapter of the comic ended and the next began, often making for very harsh and awkward transitions), most explanations of actual present events were rushed or glossed over in favor of the very rich backstories, and even things like the opening montage, as cool as it was, did a poor job of actually explaining itself to uninformed viewers.
I think my biggest character issues were with Laurie, though, and it wasn't just her god awful acting. She just really wasn't the same character that was in the comics. At all.
Almost all of her character traits beyond "resident vagina owner" were completely absent in the film. Gone was her smoking habit and her stated intentions of quitting. Gone was her being insulted by being addressed by her mother's name. Hell, they even list her as "Laurie Jupiter" in the credits. Gone is most of the strain between her and her mother as well as her angst over being pushed into the superhero business (she only even mentions this in passing once that I can recall in the movie). Gone is almost all the awkwardness and flirtation with Dan, jumping almost inexplicably from "I'm thinking of Jon" to "Hey let's fuck" for absolutely no reason. Any and all emotional depth and dimension is just gone from her in the movie. Her only role apparently is to smile and nag when necessary. And cry a little. Just really poorly handled.
Oh, and as for Adrian,
the comic devoted entire chapters toward building up Ozymandias, intricately detailing his motivations. The movie, however, did almost everything related to Veidt and his motivations in a hurry, and some of what they did reveal hinted too directly at his scheming ways too early in the film. As a result, despite actually having the same intentions with the same goals and even a somewhat similar plan, movie Ozymandias comes off more like a typical villain than the conflicted but Machiavellian hero he is in the comic. Yet by the same token, he also seems to take more chastisement and insults in the movie. While he seemed truly kingly in the comic, haughty and proud of his mighty deeds that brought great change for the better (as he perceives it), in the movie he is sad, less willing to take pleasure in his victory. In the movie it seems that the lack of universally glowing approval of his works hurts Veidt more than his great achievement lifts him up. Which just doesn't really seem true to the character. The man steeled himself to go this far. I don't believe him so fragile as to appear almost pouty when the others leave in the end.
That said, some other characters were just perfect. The Comedian and Rorschach in particular were both exceptionally well handled and felt spot on. And really, I did enjoy it.
But I also wouldn't recommend it to anyone without them reading the comic first. When combined with the graphic novel, it's a great and visually rich look into the world of Watchmen, which is, of course, a master work of its own medium. When it's divorced from its source material and simply viewed as a piece of filmmaking, it's just really not a very good film on its own merits.
Aside from Silk Spectre (most of the time) and Ozy (some of the time), it wasn't that bad. Rorschach and Manhattan were great, Comedian and Nite Owl II were good (and only brought down occasionally by comic book-dialogue that just doesn't work in movies).
I thought I read that
the scene with Hollis Mason dying was in the movie? What happened to that?
I saw this movie last night. Really shocking how bad Watchmen can become with so few changes. Emphasising the fights more and the music choices pretty much killed the entire movie by themselves. Taking out a lot of the storylines really changed the whole thing, especially
the newspaper guy and Night Owl 1.
A lot of changes made sense to me in fitting the whole thing in the time limit, like
removing the section where Rorshach gets his extra costume and combining the dog and pedo killing into one action
, but some things really disappointed me. I wish the monologues/flashbacks were longer at expense to ALL the fights, which never really had any importance to the story.
Rorchach still fighting the cops after falling 3 stories was stupid as shit. Bubastis should have been removed completely, and more time really needed to be spent on developing Ozymandias. There's no context for his actions in the movie, he's just some assy supervillain. Dr.Manhattan's powers was a really good way to destroy the city while removing the rediculous squid, but it didn't have the impact it had in the book because the movie didn't really spend the time to focus on it, which was one of the most powerful thematic elements in the story. It should be EMPHASISED because of 9/11, not just slipped past. Huge missed oportunity to let this movie get taken seriously, which was the biggest challenge. Everything from Nixon's makeup to the lack of more substantial cold war dread really made it seem like Snyder tried his hardest to make this a cheesy Mystery Men-style movie.
It's a shame, because the overall story and dialogue is almost untouched, but the way in which the scenes are presented completely flipped the tone of the whole story. Even the erratic pacing could have been forgiven if the tone was in place. As it is, for a movie 20 years in the making, it seems kinda rushed. I don't think that changing this from a mystery/drama into a straight action movie gave them the boost in sales they wanted. Meh.
I did like Rorshach and Dr.Manhattan, and I thought there were a couple very slight changes that were done better than the book, but that's about it.
Yea, I really have no idea how they thought this would be a huge moneymaker during it's theatre run.:lol Lightning doesn't strike twice, brah.
I'm just glad it was made and did a better service to the story than I could've expected. Still dunno how it cleared a $150 million budget with all that bizarre shit in it, but, it did, I'm happy.
In all disagreement and "LOL HAYTER", I think he is right. If the movie fails to make any profit, then this might be the last time we will ever see a faithful (or close to faithful) adaption of a story. Oh and to one of the posters above: Yes, the movie is highly enjoyable the second time. Every thing just happens so fast that you fail to absorb things or characters or easter eggs (the one that EVERYONE misses the first time is
Rorschach without mask, holding "The End is Nigh" sign.
If? lol. WB spent 200 million on this and it will be lucky to even make half of that at the rate its dropping. If the 71% drop holds then there is no around it, the movie plain failed at the box office.
And yes that most likely means we'll be seeing a lot less r-rated graphic novel film sadly. This also means WB will probably force McG to make Terminator Salvation PG-13.
If? lol. WB spent 200 million on this and it will be lucky to even make half of that at the rate its dropping. If the 71% drop holds then there is no around it, the movie plain failed at the box office.
And yes that most likely means we'll be seeing a lot less r-rated graphic novel film sadly. This also means WB will probably force McG to make Terminator Salvation PG-13.
If it keeps Snyder away from Dark Knight Returns, we all win. I see more people reading Watchmen these days, on the train, in the office, then I've seen probably in the last ten years put together. And simultaneously, a movie that attempts to distill that book into a medium it was unsuited for, has apparently eluded profitability. It's pretty much the best of all worlds. Millions of people have been turned onto a seminal work of art, and Hollywood will think twice before adapting self-contained and elaborate comics without the assistance or support of the creators of that work.
It would be hilarious if We3 and Y The Last Man and Scott Pilgrim and Ex Machina do well within their means and show Hollywood that if the creative mind behind the work isn't interested in making a movie adaptation, there's probably a reason.
Well it should be on bluray in less than 3 months then.
I wonder how many people went to see the movie with that xbox live deal? I bought 1600 points, which I needed anyway, and got the 2 free passes I saw the movie with.
t would be hilarious if We3 and Y The Last Man and Scott Pilgrim and Ex Machina do well within their means and show Hollywood that if the creative mind behind the work isn't interested in making a movie adaptation, there's probably a reason.
Yeah and those movies will likely be modestly budgeted.
I have no idea why WB gave Synder so much money and advertised the hell out of it. Watchhmen isn't really going to do all that much bigger numbers than V for Vendetta or Sin City but has like 3x the budget and advertising budget.
Yeah and those movies will likely be modestly budgeted.
I have no idea why WB gave Synder so much money and advertised the hell out of it. Watchhmen isn't really going to do all that much bigger numbers than V for Vendetta or Sin City but has like 3x the budget and advertising budget.
If it keeps Snyder away from Dark Knight Returns, we all win. I see more people reading Watchmen these days, on the train, in the office, then I've seen probably in the last ten years put together. And simultaneously, a movie that attempts to distill that book into a medium it was unsuited for, has apparently eluded profitability. It's pretty much the best of all worlds. Millions of people have been turned onto a seminal work of art, and Hollywood will think twice before adapting self-contained and elaborate comics without the assistance or support of the creators of that work.
It would be hilarious if We3 and Y The Last Man and Scott Pilgrim and Ex Machina do well within their means and show Hollywood that if the creative mind behind the work isn't interested in making a movie adaptation, there's probably a reason.
Except that: a) The Dark Knight Returns is far from a "seminal work of art" and; b) Frank Miller has vocally supported a Snyder-helmed DKR adaptation. Hell, Snyder directing DKR was Miller's idea.
I have no idea why WB gave Synder so much money and advertised the hell out of it. Watchhmen isn't really going to do all that much bigger numbers than V for Vendetta or Sin City but has like 3x the budget and advertising budget.
Except that: a) The Dark Knight Returns is far from a "seminal work of art" and; b) Frank Miller has vocally supported a Snyder-helmed DKR adaptation. Hell, Snyder directing DKR was Miller's idea.
Yeah and those movies will likely be modestly budgeted.
I have no idea why WB gave Synder so much money and advertised the hell out of it. Watchhmen isn't really going to do all that much bigger numbers than V for Vendetta or Sin City but has like 3x the budget and advertising budget.
Sucked in by the Dark Knight, they should have realized that the built-in audience for Batman is 100x more massive than something along the lines of Watchmen.
Except that: a) The Dark Knight Returns is far from a "seminal work of art" and; b) Frank Miller has vocally supported a Snyder-helmed DKR adaptation. Hell, Snyder directing DKR was Miller's idea.
