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RTTP: Jurassic World, How Awful Is This Film

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When I left the theater, I really thought everyone would be praising JW for having a brave strong female lead that often saves the day and is fearless even in the face of a T-Rex. She was easily the best part of a movie I enjoyed a lot. I could never have imagined that people would dislike her just because she wanted to have kids at the end or that anyone would come up with something as stupid as "The movie is sexist because a woman got eaten by dinosaurs for too long."
 
WhiteRabbitEXE said:
Keep on making dismissive assumptions.

I have nothing against the idea of a female character all about motherhood in concept. None at all. My own mother is very much a woman who feels motherhood is the absolute most important thing (for her) and I absolutely respect that, as I would for any other woman feeling the same way. So this "nah, it's prejudice to make this argument" remark is nonsense. In isolation as well as in proper context with proper implementation, it's absolutely fine. Like has been said, there are real people who feel that way, and it's absolutely respectable to find children to be one's life calling.

But in a movie where the implementation is a character who solely exists to teach the main female character that her life (as an extremely successful business woman running one of the biggest theme/animal parks in the world) cannot possibly have any value until she realizes she needs children, where the main character in question represents every single regressive depiction of "strong independent women", and the only other female character of note is passed off as a bitch for valuing her job and not wanting to babysit shitty children she doesn't know - who is then killed in an elaborate death scene meant to punish her and reward the audience, THEN we have a context and implementation where it's bad.

Edit: It's also worth noting that Trevorrow said the real reason women aren't directing big budget films is because they just don't want to.
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I think that's a big piece of external context that often gets conveniently ignored or forgotten(heck I had forgotten until you reminded me and I went back and read about the whole controversy) when discussing this.

The writer/director himself is at best oblivious and confused toward womans issues and at worst openly sexist.

So it's not like critics of the films portrayal are making shit up in their head.
 
Octavianus said:
I haven't seen it yet... should I gaf?
Do they even have feathers in this movie?
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To be fair they actually do throw in some off-handed dialogue explaining why the dinosaurs look like they do.

Basically they are intentionally not creating true to history dinosaurs but what sells to
the public.
 
I'll never understand GAF's hatred for this movie. It's a fun popcorn summer film. Enjoy it for what it is.
 
Jurassic Park series is science fiction with horror elements. Jurassic Park 3 is inherently the worst movie simply because it's deviates from the core theme of the series and becomes a brainless cat/mouse movie.

At the very least, The Lost World Looks beautiful and has some great moments.
 
Lothar said:
When I left the theater, I really thought everyone would be praising JW for having a brave strong female lead that often saves the day and is fearless even in the face of a T-Rex. She was easily the best part of a movie I enjoyed a lot. I could never have imagined that people would dislike her just because she wanted to have kids at the end or that anyone would come up with something as stupid as "The movie is sexist because a woman got eaten by dinosaurs for too long."
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Sure, you might be right if you simplify the point people are making to utter stupidity and ignore the overall plot themes for some reason.
 
Real Hero said:
a fact the film knows and by the end is basically saying 'boy remember that first film?'
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Pretty much. The film tries to borrow from the first film but fails completely at doing so.

It's a totally uninspired afair too. From direction to acting it's all by the numbers with zero compelling characters or stories to tell.

TFA borrowed heavily from A New Hope but it understood why that movie worked and created their fair share of compelling characters and stories to go along with it while Jurassic World did nothing like that.
 
A Fish Aficionado said:
I loved it.
Dumb fun and actually quite scary.

People just like being haters.
The idea that it is sexist is dumb.
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Agreed on all fronts. A super fun enjoyable flick. Nothing offensive or overwhelmingly awful about it. It was the first one I enjoyed since the first. I think the only sexist thing here is the idea that just because a woman is being chomped by some dinosaurs its torture porn. People made the same shitty argument for disliking the new tomb raider games, when Isaac clark and leon kennedy got it just as bad, but because suddenly its a woman these things are happening to its torture porn? This is no more torture porn than the lawyer getting chomped in the first one or that one guy gettinf chomped in half in the lost world.
 
A Fish Aficionado said:
I loved it.
Dumb fun and actually quite scary.

People just like being haters.
The idea that it is sexist is dumb.
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If something like this scares you an actual horror movie would probably make your chest explode. This movie is pretty far from being scary.

Where's the Youtube poop of that torture porn death scene?
 
Predictable crap. No tension at all. Of course you always know that everything will turn out happy at the end but this movie was a by the numbers hack job imo.
 
Manu said:
Jurassic World might be the best received (by critics and audiencies alike) movie to be so hated by GAF.
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But it wasn't all that greatly received.

59% metacritic and 71% rotten tomatoes with a fairly ho hum average score isn't exactly universally praised.

It basically just barely fell onto the side of passable experience compared to not for critics.
 
WhiteRabbitEXE said:
I suppose one could argue Dieter's death was nearly as bad in concept, but as far as on-screen depiction? I'm not sure how you could say Zara's wasn't worse than anything in the movie by an order of magnitude. Nor do I see how her death isn't supposed to be a reward to the audience. It's a lengthy spectacle piece with some of the most "spectacular" shots in the movie. It's absolutely built to punish the character and reward the audience with an excessive shocker kill.
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What would be the difference between a "rewarding" death and a shocking one? Doesn't that depend on the viewer?
 
Lothar said:
When I left the theater, I really thought everyone would be praising JW for having a brave strong female lead that often saves the day and is fearless even in the face of a T-Rex. She was easily the best part of a movie I enjoyed a lot. I could never have imagined that people would dislike her just because she wanted to have kids at the end or that anyone would come up with something as stupid as "The movie is sexist because a woman got eaten by dinosaurs for too long."
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Completely agree. I also see a lot of complaint about her running in heels in the last scene, but I actually really loved that idea. There's something empowering about it in my mind. If I had on my heels I'd do the same shit believe me. Laughable that she could outrun a T-rex sure I'll give you that, but whatever! Iconic scene
 
Galang said:
Completely agree. I also see a lot of complaint about her running in heels in the last scene, but I actually really loved that idea. There's something empowering about it in my mind. If I had on my heels I'd do the same shit believe me.
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My Wife doesn't leave the house without high heels on. She would do exactly the same. lol
 
Plinko said:
I'll never understand GAF's hatred for this movie. It's a fun popcorn summer film. Enjoy it for what it is.
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Yes, the people who dislike this movie are watching it wrong and should get on its wavelength because there is no chance they considered the type of movie it is when forming their opinions.
 
Galang said:
Completely agree. I also see a lot of complaint about her running in heels in the last scene, but I actually really loved that idea. There's something empowering about it in my mind. If I had on my heels I'd do the same shit believe me. Laughable that she could outrun a T-rex sure I'll give you that, but whatever! Iconic scene
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I think the "running in heels" problem is that it's just dumb to be outrunning a T-Rex in the first place and the fact that she is doing it in a type of shoe that makes it harder to run just makes it dumber.

But that's a nitpick compared to the serious problems the movie has. It's just a dumb think that you notice when watching it.
 
Completely forgettable movie. I remember being bored while watching it and hating it when it was done, now though I don't remember really anything about it except that it sucked.
 
Eh, I wasn't offended by it like some people here were. It was forgettable fun, at best.

What really pissed me off, though, was the deleted scene where Bryce Dallas Howard smears Dino shit all over herself in a bizarre, suggestive manner.

The fact that Trevorrow actually filmed that scene is all kinds of fucked up. Like, seriously? Fuck you, asshole. Why are YOU directing fucking Star Wars?

Oh right, because money.
 
RDreamer said:
Sure, you might be right if you simplify the point people are making to utter stupidity and ignore the overall plot themes for some reason.
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I don't think I am simplifying it. The movie being sexist because a woman got eaten too long by dinosaurs is what people are saying. Some got the notion in their heads that the movie is punishing a character by giving them a horrific death and rewarding the audience, which is ridiculously silly. Then they're basing most of their criticism on this absurd idea they imagined. No one in my theater was happy at the death scene. Everyone was shocked and horrified, as intended, which is why it was a good death scene. It made the pterosaurs and the whole situation seem a lot scarier.
 
I loved the movie. I thought it was awesome from start to finish. A love letter to Jurassic Park. I don't see anything wrong with this movie. It's a "Just shut down your brain and enjoy it" kind of movie and that's good.
 
DeadRockstar said:
Yes, the people who dislike this movie are watching it wrong and should get on its wavelength because there is no chance they considered the type of movie it is when forming their opinions.
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Not what I was referring to in the least.
 
Lothar said:
I don't think I am simplifying it. The movie being sexist because a woman got eaten too long by dinosaurs is what people are saying. Some got the notion in their heads that the movie is punishing a character by giving them a horrific death and rewarding the audience, which is ridiculously silly. Then they're basing most of their criticism on this absurd idea they imagined. No one in my theater was happy at the death scene. Everyone was shocked and horrified, as intended, which is why it was a good death scene. It made the pterosaurs and the whole situation seem a lot scarier.
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Says I'm not simpyfying it....goes on to simplify it.

Haha, ok.
 
SolidChamp said:
Eh, I wasn't offended by it like some people here were. It was forgettable fun, at best.

What really pissed me off, though, was the deleted scene where Bryce Dallas Howard smears Dino shit all over herself in a bizarre, suggestive manner.

The fact that Trevorrow actually filmed that scene is all kinds of fucked up. Like, seriously? Fuck you, asshole. Why are YOU directing fucking Star Wars?

Oh right, because money.
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There's a market for that kind of scene. Trevorrow's bookmarks are probably.....interesting......
nightmare fuel for most folks.
 
I didn't like the TV-like cinematography when I first saw it, but I forgot about that in later viewings; it's a really good sequel to JP, and a pretty good movie on its own.
 
Yeah, it's shit, and not even fun shit. People are stupid when it comes to going to the movies and making garbage successful, but hey, at least it serves as a nice barometer of taste. .... Oh, you like JW? Then I can instantly discard whatever else you recommend. It's a nice shorthand.
 
SolidChamp said:
Eh, I wasn't offended by it like some people here were. It was forgettable fun, at best.

What really pissed me off, though, was the deleted scene where Bryce Dallas Howard smears Dino shit all over herself in a bizarre, suggestive manner.

The fact that Trevorrow actually filmed that scene is all kinds of fucked up. Like, seriously? Fuck you, asshole. Why are YOU directing fucking Star Wars?

Oh right, because money.
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What?
 
Lothar said:
When I left the theater, I really thought everyone would be praising JW for having a brave strong female lead that often saves the day and is fearless even in the face of a T-Rex. She was easily the best part of a movie I enjoyed a lot. I could never have imagined that people would dislike her just because she wanted to have kids at the end or that anyone would come up with something as stupid as "The movie is sexist because a woman got eaten by dinosaurs for too long."
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The sad part is, she didn't even express wanting to have kids. It was her sister, something I'm sure many folks have put up with, that suggested she'd eventually want to have kids.

I've come to have pretty strong feelings against folks who lash out against this film for these reasons. It's gross.

"Bububut a woman can't run in heels. This film hates women! I know because I'm an expert. She should have been tough like a guy and wore combat boots. Only then would she be a worthy strong female character. And how dare they kill off such a delicate flower of a character!?"
 
i had wanted it to be good, i love dinosaurs and the original jurassic park was a childhood fav

but it was.... idonno... it just didn't do it for me. it ran around for twohours or so with two invulnerable children and some adults destined for dinos tummies and then it ended with american godzilla's letdemfight...... with chris pratt and his chick winning the day ....yay?

it made me ran home to rewatch the original.

:x
 
Arthr2ShdsJcksn said:
Yeah, it's shit, and not even fun shit. People are stupid when it comes to going to the movies and making garbage successful, but hey, at least it serves as a nice barometer of taste. .... Oh, you like JW? Then I can instantly discard whatever else you recommend. It's a nice shorthand.
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Oh come on! I'm sure all of us have a number of movies we know is bad, but can enjoy it anyway. I mean, I know it's cheesy as shit, and flawed as hell, but in the right mood and in a theater it was fun to spend two hours at the theater.
 
YesNOnoNOYes said:
i had wanted it to be good, i love dinosaurs and the original jurassic park was a childhood fav

but it was.... idonno... it just didn't do it for me. it ran around for twohours or so with two invulnerable children and some adults destined for dinos tummies and then it ended with american godzilla's letdemfight...... with chris pratt and his chick winning the day ....yay?

it made me ran home to rewatch the original.

:x
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The original where "it ran around for twohours or so with two invulnerable children and some adults destined for dinos tummies and then it ended with american godzilla's letdemfight...... with [Sam Neil] and his chick winning the day ....yay?"
 
MoonsaultSlayer said:
The original where "it ran around for twohours or so with two invulnerable children and some adults destined for dinos tummies and then it ended with american godzilla's letdemfight...... with [Sam Neil] and his chick winning the day ....yay?"
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yesh

i think parts of my odd dissatisfaction was that i could sense it was a copypasta??? maybe???

idonno

it...it just didn't work :( for me :(
 
This movie was incredibly stupid, but I did think it was fun-stupid. I mean, they go full Godzilla monster teamup at the end. That was hilarious.
 
It felt soulless to me, produced to tick all the boxes for a 'blockbuster' summer movie.

Same kind of lack of soul that you'd find in a marvel or transformers movie
 
YesNOnoNOYes said:
yesh

i think parts of my odd dissatisfaction was that i could sense it was a copypasta??? maybe???

idonno

it...it just didn't work :( for me :(
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Seeing an actual working, successful Jurassic Park was a childhood fantasy come true. And seeing how fast it can crumble because of manXnatureXscience was true to Crichton. And seeing an unorthodox, against the grain female character in the lead role all had me HOOKED.

But leave it to disgruntled internet warriors crying foul and ruin anything that isn't this perfect carbon copy of their fantastical version of what should have been. In this case, Claire dressing in cargo pants and boots, and maybe punching her ovaries after it's suggested she have kids. And then swap out the female character who was killed with a male. Boom, good movie all of a sudden.
 
I fell asleep right before the Zara death sequence, and woke up after it was over. I still hated the picture. It's stupid, loud, flashy, and nostalgic in a totally empty and superficial way. All the new characters are caricatures. It picks only the broadest elements from the original and leaves out the subtlety and soul. It's a cheap imitation that tries to one-up the original in tasteless ways.

JP wasn't a movie that required you to shut your brain off to enjoy it, so it doesn't make sense for JW to have been that kind of thing. JP at the time was a cut above the Emmerich-style tripe that it helped inspire.
 
It didn't have the spielberg-esque subtleties like the original did.

But it was great fan service. Special effects looked great. The story was simple enough.

The pacing of the movie was strong. It could have really gone downhill, but they kept it moving.

I enjoyed. Just watched it last night with my family on TMN. It's one of those movie, on a Saturday that you put on that kids and adults sit there and watch while chatting, eating etc... They loved it.
 
MoonsaultSlayer said:
Seeing an actual working, successful Jurassic Park was a childhood fantasy come true. And seeing how fast it can crumble because of manXnatureXscience was true to Crichton. And seeing an unorthodox, against the grain female character in the lead role all had me HOOKED.

But leave it to disgruntled internet warriors crying foul and ruin anything that isn't this perfect carbon copy of their fantastical version of what should have been. I'm this case, Claire dressing in cargo pants and boots, and maybe punching her ovaries after it's suggested she have kids. And then swap out the female character who was killed with a male. Boom, good movie all of a sudden.
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mmmm

i dont know about the lead or her attire choices... maybe those things are material aspects for others... but for me, the direction and scenes felt somewhat soulless and predictable :<

I really, really wanted to like it though

love LOVE dinosaurs stuff. i even want watched the entirety of that cheesy tv show, terranova.... just for the dinos .___.;;;;;;
 
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