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RTTP: Terminator 2

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It's been a long time since I watched T2, to be honest I remembered liking it but couldn't really recall many scenes or details from the movie. So, after seeing that thread about a modern trailer for it, I thought I'd rewatch the movie to see how it holds up 24 years later

My God.

First of all, I watched the special edition on blu ray. I'm not sure what scenes were added but everything flowed quite nicely and it all felt important. The movie LOOKS fantastic, and the special effects hold up incredibly well. Aside from things like the 90s cars and occasional CRT monitor I wouldn't know this movie was filmed in 1991 if you didn't tell me. The T1000 effects are still remarkable today.

But let's move on to the action. I'm a big James Cameron fan and always have been, but watching each scene in T2 unfold gave me a new appreciation for his direction. There's and odd simplicity to each scene, I think it's the coherent camerawork combined with practical effects and an understated but effective score. The music doesn't overwhelm you like it would in moat blockbusters today, it's used sparingly but to great effect. The best parts are things like the bike/truck chase when you can't hear much except the sound of the engines and the silence of anticipation. My favourite chase scene was probably the helicopter pursuit at the end, I don't know what was trick shots and what was practical but it looked to me like that was actually a fucking helicopter chasing a police van down a freeway.

Of course the rest of the movie is great too, the story expands nicely on the first movie without becoming convoluted (it seems like each subsequent Terminator movie thinks it needs to add a million more wrinkles to the timelines to create drama). Linda Hamilton is a fucking badass and I forgot how well Arnie played the role, his relationship with John was surprisingly emotional at times, and I was subsequently shocked how John wasn't annoying like many kids in movies are. He was resourceful, smart, and endearing, rather than simply being there to get into shenanigans and have adults come save the day.

Anyways TLDR, T2 is back in my top 5 action films of all time and Cameron is a legend. They really don't make films like this anymore
 
Terminator 2 has aged amazingly well, even more so than its predecessor. And you're right, they don't make movies like this anymore.
 
GOAT and sets the standard for both sci-fi and action movie genres. Though, still cant get past the part in the office lobby, where its so obvious its a mannequin Arnie being wheeled out and shot to hell.
 
The gold standard for action films with substance. And they didnt have to cram in a love story for anyone.

Having watched both T1 and T2 within the last couple of months, I honestly think this is the one thing that holds me back from putting T1 above T2. The Kyle/Sarah thing in the first movie feels so awkward and unnatural to me.
 
I know now why you cry...only James Cameron can make you feel for a killer time traveling cybernetic organism

T2 is still the blockbuster to beat, raised the bar too high
 
Having watched both T1 and T2 within the last couple of months, I honestly think this is the one thing that holds me back from putting T1 above T2. The Kyle/Sarah thing in the first movie feels so awkward and unnatural to me.

Yeah I mean he's only John's father and he's protecting her. How unnatural that they should fall in love.
 
I saw it when it was released (I was 10) and one of my all time best movies. With the time maybe the scenes that appreciate more are not action ones :) Sara monologues are the best part of the movie, above all the father/son one watching the terminator and John playing. Ah, and that judgment day scene.
 
One of if not the greatest action movie ever made. Exquisite film making. Wannabe action directors today should look at this film before attempting to direct an action movie.

Is there anything more badass than this

https://youtu.be/o47mJDUluLw?t=51 ( Dat music...., The way he throws the gun and takes another and walks on top of the vehicle like a boss.. )

or this

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It's too bad the previews for Terminator 2 spoiled the whole "Arnold is the good guy" twist. The entire first act of the movie is built around making you think Arnold is still the bad guy and that the T-1000 is a human sent back to protect John Connor, and it's an amazingly well put together part of the movie. If audiences wouldn't have seen that coming it would probably have replaced "Luke, I am your father" as the all time face-melting plot twist from a blockbuster the moment Arnold says "get down"

Yeah I mean he's only John's father and he's protecting her. How unnatural that they should fall in love.

I'm pretty sure Kyle has no idea that he's John Connor's father, what they have is a one night stand, and Kyle apparently falls in love with Sarah through a polaroid. It's honestly kind of creepy.
 
Fury Road is the successor we deserve, finally.
Meanwhile at modern Cameron: ,,lol I'd just all CGI-up the helicopter scene nowadays''.

Fury Road is amazing but it is no Terminator 2. I am so upset that Cameron is working on that shitty Avatar franchise instead of doing something else.
 
I'm pretty sure Kyle has no idea that he's John Connor's father, what they have is a one night stand, and Kyle apparently falls in love with Sarah through a polaroid. It's honestly kind of creepy.

It's not really relevant as to whether or not Kyle knows he's John's father or not. The fact is they are destined to fall in love in order for John to be born. It's just the way it is.

A lot of things that can viewed as creepy or poetic depending on how you want to view them. Kyle was a John Connor fanboy and he also worshipped Sarah considering she taught his saviour how to fight and everything. Are you saying it's impossible for a man to become infatuated with a woman by just looking at her?
 
One of if not the greatest action movie ever made. Exquisite film making. Wannabe action directors today should look at this film before attempting to direct an action movie.

Is there anything more badass than this

https://youtu.be/o47mJDUluLw?t=51 ( Dat music...., The way he throws the gun and takes another and walks on top of the vehicle like a boss.. )

or this

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No
This.

T2 is not
just
in my top 5,
it is the top 5.
 
My favourite chase scene was probably the helicopter pursuit at the end, I don't know what was trick shots and what was practical but it looked to me like that was actually a fucking helicopter chasing a police van down a freeway.

Because it was actually a fucking helicopter chasing a police van down a freeway.
 
Having watched both T1 and T2 within the last couple of months, I honestly think this is the one thing that holds me back from putting T1 above T2. The Kyle/Sarah thing in the first movie feels so awkward and unnatural to me.
Recently watched it and I completely disagree. It's actually quite impressive how affecting their relationship is considering how little time Cameron (and the actors) have to develop it.
 
Recently watched it and I completely disagree. It's actually quite impressive how affecting their relationship is considering how little time Cameron (and the actors) have to develop it.

It's better than stuff like Thor achieves, but ultimately I don't think we're meant to see it as a love story. They bond over the chase and survival, but if Kyke survived there's no way they'd still be happy two days later.

Also, how can we return to T2? It's not even been released yet.
 
People are complaining about how The Terminator is a love story? That's the emotional and thematic heart of the movie. The warmth of their passion is the antidote to the cold murder machine that's chasing them, and the result of that passion is the final defeat of the whole machine enterprise. And the fact that a love like theirs is possible is what makes John's "no fate but what we make" speech ring true in spite of the determinism of T1's timeline. Come on people.

Anyway, the only thing that keeps T2 from being perfect like T1 is John Connor. Get much better writing and a much better actor for that part ("did you call moi a dipshit?"), and it's solid gold.

Oh, and I always thought this comment from a film blog I like was really insightful:

As great as T2 is, it suffers from a couple of structural issues that really bother me, and in my opinion anyway, keep it from being the unabashed classic that the first film is.

The first concerns John, and what keeps him from having a fully developed character arc. It's important to remember that Schwarzenegger would only do the film on the caveat that he be a "good" Terminator. So far, so good. I think Cameron and Wisher did a good job with flipping audience expectations for the 2 Terminators on their head.

But Cameron seemingly forgot that, even though Schwarzenegger's name would be first on the marquee, the ultimate hero of the story he was telling is John.

But in Act 3 in the steel mill, John is kept in the background as Sarah and the T-800 play a game of "keep-away" with the T-1000. John is reduced to being a macguffin in his own story. (An unfortunate choice that would plague the non-Cameron sequels as well)

I so longed for the moment where Sarah and the T-800 were incapacitated, and just for moment at least, the John Connor of the future makes his first appearance. A moment that would show John gaining the upper hand using human ingenuity rather than brute force, and we get a momentary flash of how humanity would ultimately win the war against these fearsome machines.

Frustratingly, this moment was set up early in the film when John and his friend break into the ATM machine, but the payoff never comes. ARNOLD remains the sole hero of the story, and John's transformation from bratty delinquent to great leader is pushed off to some future point. That, IMO, is what's really wrong with John in particular, and the movie in general.

This brings up a side issue about the movie's theme- it boils down to "machine vs. machine", which is far less involving than the originals "man vs. machine" theme.

http://antagonie.blogspot.com/2009/12/james-cameron-terminator-2-judgment-day.html
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbcmLPXuQzo

Still the GOAT teaser of all time, imo.

Nothing comes close.

No lies detected here. And I think they filmed that before they even started shooting the film itself too.

I remember seeing that for the first time as a kid and thinking, "Is that a Terminator?" And then you see the eyes open up to confirm it. "But it won't have Arnold!" And then they reveal that. Yeah, that teaser still gets me pumped.
 
It's not really relevant as to whether or not Kyle knows he's John's father or not. The fact is they are destined to fall in love in order for John to be born. It's just the way it is.

A lot of things that can viewed as creepy or poetic depending on how you want to view them. Kyle was a John Connor fanboy and he also worshipped Sarah considering she taught his saviour how to fight and everything. Are you saying it's impossible for a man to become infatuated with a woman by just looking at her?

This has no relevance to the fact that the Kyle/Sarah romance in Terminator 1 is not very well set up and feels crammed into the movie.
 
Honestly Linda Hamilton deserves a hell of a lot more credit than she got for her entire and complete transformation, physical AND her character. It's pretty much perfect for who she is supposed to be. She deserved more attention.
 
Honestly Linda Hamilton deserves a hell of a lot more credit than she got for her entire and complete transformation, physical AND her character. It's pretty much perfect for who she is supposed to be. She deserved more attention.

Yes. It is the greatest action movie performance I can name off the top of my head. The fact that the makers of Genesys thought Emilia Clarke was worthy to lick that performance's boots, let alone actually follow it up, told me everything I needed to know about that sad sad movie.
 
just rewatched it the other day. Linda Hamilton was pretty much the perfect woman in that movie: strong, capable, bold, motherly, beautifully toned and even sexy
 
T2 is definitely my favourite terminator movie. Loved it from beginning to end. Great action scenes, good acting and Arnie is a badass.
 
just rewatched it the other day. Linda Hamilton was pretty much the perfect woman in that movie: strong, capable, bold, motherly, beautifully toned and even sexy

It's a shame there seem to be fewer of these roles for women than there were 30 years ago. I can't believe in a female action hero who looks like they've just stepped out of a salon. Thank god for Imperator Furiosa.
 
They fall in love in one night though. Thats just hornyness.

Yeah Kyle Reese was an emaciated man from a post-apocalyptic world with an unhealthy fixation on a woman he'd never met probably due to repressed and unexpressed emotional and sexual frustration. (T5 seems to not understand his character at all)

Sarah was a 19 year old teen girl and like most teens her main priorities in life are probably sex and bad decisions. She's also incredibly afraid and incredibly vulnerable. Suddenly a smart and capable man with a dramatic past shows up who makes her feel safe and and also wants to bang her.

Clearly strong feelings for each other and sex were going to happen as surely as 2+3=5. But this isn't conventional 'love,' more like the inevitable conclusion to the equation between these two variables. Just wait for 'T6: Honeymoon's Over' in which we get to watch Sarah and Kyle bicker for two hours and realize they dont actually like each other that much.
 
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