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Rumor 101: Perfect Dark 2 - Xbox 360s Next Humungous Killer App
- Thread starter donny2112
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PDZ was a disgrace to Rare's FPS legacy.
How do you go from dominating the console FPS genre with Goldeneye and Perfect Dark to PDZ?!
I'll tell you why: They're not the same anymore. The talent they lost to Free Radical coupled with Martin Hollis leaving to Zoonami (lulz) crippled the dream team of Goldeneye fame.
I'm not holding my breath for PD2. Hopefully they can prove me wrong.
How do you go from dominating the console FPS genre with Goldeneye and Perfect Dark to PDZ?!
I'll tell you why: They're not the same anymore. The talent they lost to Free Radical coupled with Martin Hollis leaving to Zoonami (lulz) crippled the dream team of Goldeneye fame.
I'm not holding my breath for PD2. Hopefully they can prove me wrong.
Even thought I hated PDZ because of how foolish some of the character looked (like puppets from Team America: World Police) and sounded (like Woody Allen) I saw the potential if they had been given more time. I can see it as 360 next killer app with some tinkering. Just look at Kill Zone 2, it went from mediocre to the PS3's Gears of War.
Also this talk of 360s 2008 release list being limited is becoming rubbish day by day.
Also this talk of 360s 2008 release list being limited is becoming rubbish day by day.
ParticleReality
Banned
Grecco said:
*insert joke about Haze*
Skiptastic
Member
- Remove the roll
- No more sluggish controls. God, I like to play the game, but it feels like I'm moving around in molasses
- Put it back inside. I'm sorry, but all of the wide open spaces with NO direction on where to go (necessitating the blue/yellow arrows) did nothing for me. Make it clear where to be moving along during the game.
- Make the guns actually kill people. Blame Halo single player all you want, but when I shoot aliens in Halo, I can actually kill them. In PDZ, it seemed like I was never killing people appropriately.
- BIGGEST FAUX PAS: NO. MORE. HIRED. VOICE. ACTORS. Go back to the Rare voice acting. Get Eveline Fischer back as Joanna Dark. Jo is British, she is NOT FUCKING AMERICAN.
- No more sluggish controls. God, I like to play the game, but it feels like I'm moving around in molasses
- Put it back inside. I'm sorry, but all of the wide open spaces with NO direction on where to go (necessitating the blue/yellow arrows) did nothing for me. Make it clear where to be moving along during the game.
- Make the guns actually kill people. Blame Halo single player all you want, but when I shoot aliens in Halo, I can actually kill them. In PDZ, it seemed like I was never killing people appropriately.
- BIGGEST FAUX PAS: NO. MORE. HIRED. VOICE. ACTORS. Go back to the Rare voice acting. Get Eveline Fischer back as Joanna Dark. Jo is British, she is NOT FUCKING AMERICAN.
Imperial Hot
Banned
Perfect Dark 2......
No thanks.
No thanks.
USD said:
PD was a safer Killer App than Halo on the Xbox IMO.
The fact they fucked up bad and still sold a shitload of copies shows how much of a KA it was. If it turned out even half as good as GE007, it would have sold just as much IMO.
PDZ got a bigger hammering because it was shit. Imagine if Halo 3 was of a similar quality. MS would have been finished. Instead Rare is finished. I'll give them one more chance with PD3 though cos im a fan.
SonOfABeep
Banned
Waste of time, and money. Let rare do something creative instead of shoehorning a now bad FPS developer into making yet another FPS for your system!
And if this is just being announced now, don't expect it before 2010 the way Rare works. I would be surprised if this is even a 360 project.
PDZ was an awful game with sloppy, floaty controls and boring levels, not to mention bad multiplayer design and a mess of unbalanced weapons. I have no reason to think Rare can pull this franchise out of the hole it's in.
Hopefully they'll prove me wrong, but I don't feel good about this one bit.
And if this is just being announced now, don't expect it before 2010 the way Rare works. I would be surprised if this is even a 360 project.
PDZ was an awful game with sloppy, floaty controls and boring levels, not to mention bad multiplayer design and a mess of unbalanced weapons. I have no reason to think Rare can pull this franchise out of the hole it's in.
Hopefully they'll prove me wrong, but I don't feel good about this one bit.
solid2snake
Banned
Perfect Dark 0-1=2
Fission Mailed.
Fission Mailed.
The goldeneye team is NOT with FR. I think they all seperated and what you have left is a collection of people that all worked on PD/GE but all fragmented into different dev studios.
Rare PD team done a great job with multiplayer (far more intelligent and satisfying than any TS game) and i guess the single player goes to FR (which put together decent singleplayer levels and story )
And on a technical level, Rare are still one of the best in the business
Rare PD team done a great job with multiplayer (far more intelligent and satisfying than any TS game) and i guess the single player goes to FR (which put together decent singleplayer levels and story )
And on a technical level, Rare are still one of the best in the business
Danne-Danger
Member
haunts said:
It will get the previously uninterested people to jump in... wai- wha?
PDO was allright,nothing to set the world afire though. Like someone mentioned on page two,if they would ditch the godamn trial and error mission designs then we might have something here.
I liked the game's art,music,and level designs in PDO,but yeah I do agree their gameplay structure needs revising. No more trial and error game play. And for the record,this style of play was always in Golden Eye and Perfect Dark and to me those aren't the markings of a AAA game because that style of play has always bothered me. Now hold up,I'm not calling those games garbage,just not AAA is all. I just think those games are now looked upon with rose colored glasses because it had more charm and nostalgia because they had Nintendo involved. Thats not to say the game's weren't good,but AAA? PDO had the same problems the other two games had,noone liked to start missions completely over or way back to a mid level starting point because they got one one of the objectives along the mission wrong and failed. And having to set the game on some easier play setting to eliminate some of the required objectives in order play through the game wasn't nearly as satisfying.
Kameo still is Rare's best since they left Nintendo. I haven't played Viva Peniata though,still need to pick this one up. I wish this press release were about a Kameo sequel more than anything.:/
I liked the game's art,music,and level designs in PDO,but yeah I do agree their gameplay structure needs revising. No more trial and error game play. And for the record,this style of play was always in Golden Eye and Perfect Dark and to me those aren't the markings of a AAA game because that style of play has always bothered me. Now hold up,I'm not calling those games garbage,just not AAA is all. I just think those games are now looked upon with rose colored glasses because it had more charm and nostalgia because they had Nintendo involved. Thats not to say the game's weren't good,but AAA? PDO had the same problems the other two games had,noone liked to start missions completely over or way back to a mid level starting point because they got one one of the objectives along the mission wrong and failed. And having to set the game on some easier play setting to eliminate some of the required objectives in order play through the game wasn't nearly as satisfying.
Kameo still is Rare's best since they left Nintendo. I haven't played Viva Peniata though,still need to pick this one up. I wish this press release were about a Kameo sequel more than anything.:/
BobFromPikeCreek
Member
Can you please just give me my Banjo Kazooie first?
BUCKFUSH187
Member
God, I hope not.
rollingstart
Banned
PDZ wasnt THAT bad of a game.
I mean, it had some good aspects, like the system they used for how many weapons you could hold was nice (you had 4 slots, handguns took one slot, a rocket launcher/sniper took 3, SMG took 2, that thing) and it had bots! and...umm, coop was cool in that you werent going the same path as the other person.
other than those things it was pretty bad.
I mean, it had some good aspects, like the system they used for how many weapons you could hold was nice (you had 4 slots, handguns took one slot, a rocket launcher/sniper took 3, SMG took 2, that thing) and it had bots! and...umm, coop was cool in that you werent going the same path as the other person.
other than those things it was pretty bad.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Great
I cant wait for the Resistance2 vs PD02 threads,
...replacing the endless DMC4 vs NG2 threads
I cant wait for the Resistance2 vs PD02 threads,
...replacing the endless DMC4 vs NG2 threads
The Faceless Master
Member
i loved PDZ multi, it was very solid, packed with action and strategy and filled with options
single was ok too.
it was leaps and bounds better than another game that's about to get a sequel ending with the number 2.
then again, people aren't pinning the eventual success of the Xbox 360 on Perfect Dark 2.
single was ok too.
it was leaps and bounds better than another game that's about to get a sequel ending with the number 2.
then again, people aren't pinning the eventual success of the Xbox 360 on Perfect Dark 2.
Not this shit again. Stop doing so many things at the same time RARE. Just finish, polish Banjo first and then start with a new project. PDZ was in development since the NGC and still they had to rush it out for launch. Some of the stuff in the screenshots wasn't even in the game, they'll probably use the same engine and build some new environments add a few shaders and be done with it. I don't think they're going to start from scratch, that would take them at least 5 years.
Kabuki Waq
Member
lose the arrows and design some decent levels.
Add bots with individual personalities+ bot Challeneges and get blood splatter back in the game.
Add bots with individual personalities+ bot Challeneges and get blood splatter back in the game.
PD0 is the 360's Lair. Fundamentally flawed, broken games that were supposed to be AAA. I do not understand how there are Defense Forces for these games...but then I remember there were people who enjoyed and played the hell out of ET on the Atari 2600 as well.
"if you have problems getting ET out of the pit, you just suck at playing games because you are too lazy to practice enough to get good at the controls."
"if you have problems getting ET out of the pit, you just suck at playing games because you are too lazy to practice enough to get good at the controls."
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
Dante said:
Our first KZ2 avatar making fun of PD! Irony at its finest my dear boys. I RO NY.
artredis1980
Banned
Microsoft console is not dead in 2008, They are just putting a steady stream of games unlike 2007 which have 3 GOTY contenders all exclusive to a console, thats unprecedented.
2008 will have lesser BIG games but a good amount of them
Microsoft is saving money so they can make a profit , that is why they are not developing more 1st party games than Sony or nintendo at this moment and assessing thier options. They want the 360 to not only be profitable this quarters but ALL the quarters that follow hence forth.
Microsoft KNOWS that 360 has a good rep with 3rd party developers who are willing to make 360 the base platform for thier development.
Microsoft is ALSO saving money for thier next console.
the 360 is already 2 years old and Microsoft does not want the 360 to go more than 5 years. They KNOW that 1 year before thier competition is the ONLY thing that saved 360 this generation and it will likely save them again if they launch thier console ahead of thier competition.
You can bet a good dollar that Microsoft is already in negotiations with IBM and AMD to deliver technologies for them for the next console and you can also bet that Microsoft's next console will have a hybrid drive which runs both HD DVD and Bluray
2008 will have lesser BIG games but a good amount of them
Microsoft is saving money so they can make a profit , that is why they are not developing more 1st party games than Sony or nintendo at this moment and assessing thier options. They want the 360 to not only be profitable this quarters but ALL the quarters that follow hence forth.
Microsoft KNOWS that 360 has a good rep with 3rd party developers who are willing to make 360 the base platform for thier development.
Microsoft is ALSO saving money for thier next console.
the 360 is already 2 years old and Microsoft does not want the 360 to go more than 5 years. They KNOW that 1 year before thier competition is the ONLY thing that saved 360 this generation and it will likely save them again if they launch thier console ahead of thier competition.
You can bet a good dollar that Microsoft is already in negotiations with IBM and AMD to deliver technologies for them for the next console and you can also bet that Microsoft's next console will have a hybrid drive which runs both HD DVD and Bluray
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
Madman said:
WTF? If Killzone liberation is the same thing as Killzone is, Viva Pinata was a good game. IRONY back on.
Damn you crushed! Good eye.
The Faceless Master
Member
1) the first Perfect Dark was a sequel too...Madman said:
2) the good followup to Killzone wasn't a FPS
electricpirate
Member
I actually enjoyed PDZ MP, through extensive tinkering you could get the controls to the realm of "Decent." I had some intense, fun 2vs2 matches in the Counterstrike like mode.
Also, your memories all fail you, Rare's descent started right after GE. After an army of shitty platformers, Perfect Dark wasn't that great either. Cool ideas, but the weapons were terrible, and the maps (especially the MP maps) were even worse. Combine it all with single digit framerates and you get a game that doesn't hold Golden Eye's jock.
Also, your memories all fail you, Rare's descent started right after GE. After an army of shitty platformers, Perfect Dark wasn't that great either. Cool ideas, but the weapons were terrible, and the maps (especially the MP maps) were even worse. Combine it all with single digit framerates and you get a game that doesn't hold Golden Eye's jock.