Other M ruined the established character of Samus. That's why fans hated it. I actually enjoyed the combat system but my jaw dropped at the old school sexism of the story. It framed her as a baby crazy woman who was unwilling to do anything unless a man she had a crush on told her she could and was frozen in terror at the sight of a creature she had killed three times already.
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RUMOR: A Metroid 3DS was cancelled
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Other M ruined the established character of Samus. That's why fans hated it. I actually enjoyed the combat system but my jaw dropped at the old school sexism of the story. It framed her as a baby crazy woman who was unwilling to do anything unless a man she had a crush on told her she could and was frozen in terror at the sight of a creature she had killed three times already.
So this is the Metroid 3DS tittle that Next Level Games was making before working on LM: Dark Moon? If so...we've known about this for a while now :l; so this isn't any major news. If anything, maybe after their work on Dark Moon, Nintendo let them back on the 3DS Metroid Project but then recently decided to push that on the New 3DS (and in turn, making some changes on the game to 'push' that new version of the N3DS).
....Would it be out of place to guess Monster Games is working on a Metroid game? Retro has worked with them on both Country Returns 3D and Tropical Freeze, so it wouldn't be surprising if Nintendo assigned them to make a 2D Metroid game for the 3DS under Retro's supervision, while Retro makes a 3D Metroid on Wii U. But, Retro needed more man-power to get the game out for 2015/2016, so Monster's Metroid game might have been put on hold until the Wii U game is complete (then that coming out a year or so latter).
Those are just some guesses on what this rumor may mean :l. I would love a Metroid game on 3DS (just got my 2DS early this month and I love it
; the touch screen managing a fully writable map and item selection while exploring a great 2D world sounds awesome 
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Between that damn game trashing my White Wii's disk drive, what you are saying really bothered me when playing the game X(. I know this has been said to death at this point, but Samus is shown in every game prior to Other M being a strong, independent women that is something gaming needs (there are many strong female characters in gaming, like Jade from BG&E for example, but Samus was one of the very first ones). Then just completely undo all the stuff she went though in the past games....just to make her some....'doll' for a prick named Adam :l. .....Either way, Other M sucks for many reasons, but that has to be the major one in my book
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....Would it be out of place to guess Monster Games is working on a Metroid game? Retro has worked with them on both Country Returns 3D and Tropical Freeze, so it wouldn't be surprising if Nintendo assigned them to make a 2D Metroid game for the 3DS under Retro's supervision, while Retro makes a 3D Metroid on Wii U. But, Retro needed more man-power to get the game out for 2015/2016, so Monster's Metroid game might have been put on hold until the Wii U game is complete (then that coming out a year or so latter).
Those are just some guesses on what this rumor may mean :l. I would love a Metroid game on 3DS (just got my 2DS early this month and I love it
; the touch screen managing a fully writable map and item selection while exploring a great 2D world sounds awesome ).Between that damn game trashing my White Wii's disk drive, what you are saying really bothered me when playing the game X(. I know this has been said to death at this point, but Samus is shown in every game prior to Other M being a strong, independent women that is something gaming needs (there are many strong female characters in gaming, like Jade from BG&E for example, but Samus was one of the very first ones). Then just completely undo all the stuff she went though in the past games....just to make her some....'doll' for a prick named Adam :l. .....Either way, Other M sucks for many reasons, but that has to be the major one in my book
.Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Emily being smug on twitter (Well, she was right):
The old post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54923220&postcount=246
Emily Rogers still isn't all that credible.
I´d rather react to something I can actually see, not speculate about what the art style of the hypothetical final product would have been.
Ryouji Gunblade
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I laughed and cried.
I've completed every Metroid. But I've also read the manga for example. To me, Other M made perfect sense. Yes, it was shit in that it was badly written, but Samus isn't Duke Nukem. Which is what a lot of people apparently expected her to be.
7DollarHagane
Banned
After other M I'm sure nintendo is very scared of killing the franchise in the west.
They are right to be careful with the next game to bear the "metroid" name.
They are right to be careful with the next game to bear the "metroid" name.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Adam was just a random ex-boyfriend telling her what to do? I find the whole character assassination and sexist thing just beyond silly. Especially in considering the world of Japanese action games.
That concept art looks pretty unusual, like a Guacamelee version of Samus or something. I'd play it, not at the expense of a proper Metroid, but as an eShop title.
Other M really soured the pot with it's horrible storyline and character ruination. Not sure why it's so expensive on some sites, considering I grabbed 2 copies for £3 from Thegamecollection.
Other M really soured the pot with it's horrible storyline and character ruination. Not sure why it's so expensive on some sites, considering I grabbed 2 copies for £3 from Thegamecollection.
meltingparappa
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I wouldn't be surprised if there's no less than five separate bare bones prototypes of whatever game of choice in the vault of Nintendo.
It's super cool to see which studio made one though, and imagine what could have been.
It's super cool to see which studio made one though, and imagine what could have been.
Version 3.0
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Why do people who like something (bad) always assume that people who don't are noobs? From what I've seen, the people most critical of Other M are the longstanding Metroid fans, because of the distinct contrast in quality from the rest of the series. Like myself. I've probably been playing Metroid since before you were born.
Hot Coldman
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: they need to make a Wario game.
It really didn't. If you truly believe that, you never understood the character in the first place.
nkarafo
Member
And i guess you did, huh?
This was it, I'm sure of it.
You must be joking. Just because most other people have a different opinion than you they must somehow be less credible than yourself?
I read the manga. I didn't particularly enjoy it and I find it ridiculous how some people are prioritizing a fucking shounen manga over the games in a games series.
However, I can also say that Samus' character in Other M, especially her relationship with Adam, makes no goddamn sense in the context of the manga. Hell, Samus' reaction to Ridley in Other M completely undercuts one of her most important developments in the manga.
But even if Other M's story and characterization made sense in the context of the manga, why give a shit? It's still fucking offensive to see the heroine, the player character, reduced to a useless sidekick who can't actually get anything done after so many badass games.
YatÅkiri_Kilgharrah
Banned
Well, that explains why my 3DS has had nothing to play since ALBW and has just be an expensive dust collector.
No it just means you have Zero taste when it comes to videogames
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Given how little characterization was expressed, Samus as a heroine developed a different character than Sakomoto intended, in part admittedly due to the limitations of earlier systems.
But I'm pretty sure given the whiplash reversion by Sakomoto to 'revert' Samus back to being a human with flaws, rather than the badass bounty hunter she'd been for pretty much all previous titles, including Fusion, which started to introduce more of a personality, you can't really blame the fans for 'misunderstanding' her character.
For me, the most egregious error is her not being able to use the varia suit, when she's BURNING TO DEATH, until Adam tells her she can use it, lol.
nkarafo
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This. Nobody cares about the Manga. I don't read them. I didn't even have access to them. All i cared were the games. And OtherM was a piece of shit Metroid game. Otherwise it was a plain, decent action game for casual gamers (Sakamoto said he made it accessible for them).
Fimbulvetr
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Is there anything in particular you've seen to make you think Retro is working on a Wii U Metroid? I definitely haven't been keeping up with rumors, and I'm curious.
honestly, I never took a part in this debate but I'm confused as to why people pretend to know better what Samus character's is more than Sakamoto. It doesn't make any sense.
Yes, it's we could debate all day if it's "incoerent" or not with what was shown before but why in the world would you do that when the creator is purposedly showing you what Samus is ?
Seems to me that (some) people just self-created their Samus image and when it was different from what they wanted to believe went into denial mode, or complain mode.
Probably. At the very least, I actually did read the fucking manga for example. And the manga is canon, like it or not.
nkarafo
Member
My problem was that she was like a cliched, anime character, following all the tropes in existence.
Who cares about the manga. The game was crap and Samus was a badly written character. Like the whole story actually.
She was badly written. Every scene of her was annoying and cliched. Lacked any subtlety.
I'd actually prefer to see a Wario platformer from Sakamoto and his team :|
I read the fucking manga too! You mind sharing your interpretation of the Samus character both in the general sense and specifically to Other M? I never thought the manga was the secret to understanding why Other M's characterization made sense. I'm interesting in hearing what you have to say though.
It could have been worse. She could have, like, worn an apron and fired sandwiches out of her arm cannon.
Nice, tasty, power beam sandwiches.
Because it isn't. Samus's characterization is utter garbage in Other M with or without the manga taken into context. Sakamoto Lucas'd the franchise IMO. To be honest I don't think there should be another game until there's a Dev willing to take the established lore seriously.
YatÅkiri_Kilgharrah
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Relaxed Muscle
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Emily being smug on twitter (Well, she was right):
The old post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54923220&postcount=246
If you read Stump's post, you can see that's nots what he's implying. And I don't get what Emily want's to say with that tweet.
Stump never said that Emily was "wrong", but rather that between "being in development" and "preparing a prototype for an internal pitch" there's a difference.
This is exactly what it seems it happened in this case.
So yeah, I don't get the smug face at all.
Sakamoto created the character. Sakamoto wrote the manga. You're free to dismiss it, but it is canon nevertheless. And honestly, I'm really happy she is no female Marcus Fenix or anything. I like that she's truly a fucking monster who never asked for it. Other M, as bad as it was, managed to drive that point home. If you actually gave a fuck. Most people didn't.
nkarafo
Member
Seriously guys, who the hell cares about a manga here? Did you care about a manga when you played Super Metroid? No?
Its a different medium. I don't read manga. I play games. If i have to care about a medium that i don't care for, just to make sense of a game, that game is a failure. A game should be self explanatory by itself or it's prequels (games).
Metroid games have their own style and subtlety. Which isn't compatible with the way a manga is written.
Its a different medium. I don't read manga. I play games. If i have to care about a medium that i don't care for, just to make sense of a game, that game is a failure. A game should be self explanatory by itself or it's prequels (games).
Who cares though. The manga is for people who like manga. Most of them are written for otakus and anime fans. Different tastes.
Metroid games have their own style and subtlety. Which isn't compatible with the way a manga is written.
Relaxed Muscle
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Because Adam asked it in her place.
Straw man, nobody expects this especially since it doesn't exist in any Metroid game, Prime or otherwise.
Samus's bitter "monstrous" character was established through the continuation of Metroid 1 to Prime 1 better than Sakamoto could ever have dreamed to achieve.
YatÅkiri_Kilgharrah
Banned
Her characterization actually makes sense if you look at the context of her relationships.
In fact people accuse Other M of having a shitty story, when it really doesnt. Its just presented and not communicated as best as it should have been.
People go on and on about Samus character but they've never really understood the several design choices Sakamoto has taken with Metroid and its narrative in the past.
If there's anything Sakamoto did wrong its trying to rehash Super Metroid Story wise with a game that's basically a linear action game ( and Other M's pixel hunts, god I hate those)
It leaves some glaring inconsistencies in the writing in doing so. Which takes too much backstory to explain away and thats what makes its narrative presentation a complete failure.
Actually, Adam is a very important...
You know what, I don't even care anymore. It's so fucking obvious that I would feel bad explaining things.
deltatheta
Member
I guess the question is was it cancelled and it will never come back, or was it just put on hold? ALBW went on a long hiatus as well, but it came back.
It's not really that interesting to me that Metroid was in development for the 3DS. Nintendo puts Metroid on all their platforms (or at least makes an attempt to, in N64's case).
It's not really that interesting to me that Metroid was in development for the 3DS. Nintendo puts Metroid on all their platforms (or at least makes an attempt to, in N64's case).
Haunted
Member
I trust Next Level games' A-team, I'm sure they would've done a terrific job with it.
Both Mario Strikers Charged and Punch-Out Wii were incredible games, some of the best on the system.
Both Mario Strikers Charged and Punch-Out Wii were incredible games, some of the best on the system.
That's not where vaginas are.
Metroid's story and lore has always been important but it wasn't until Other M the story became complete and utter garbage along with the storytelling.
nkarafo
Member
It was important but it was in the back of our heads. Not rubbed in our faces. But subtly unraveled. Its not only that the story in OtherM was bad. It was the way the game delivered it to us. I felt like i was watching a stupid anime filler. And i hate anime in general. But i love Metroid, I love it since i first played Metroid on the NES back in the day.