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Crysis at 5760x2160

List of supported games

Video: http://blogs.amd.com/home/2009/09/10/ati-eyefinity’s-panoramic-future-keep-watch/

So would it be possible to use a single monitor, but still render at that resolution and have the software scale it back to the monitor native resolution? Would be kinda like supersampling AA correct me if I'm wrong.

With proper mods, yeah definitely.

pics snipped

Stunning. (though probably unplayable as you've mentioned

 

[Dennis]

I posted more of those GTA IV shots in high-res screenshot thread - here are two







This quality is not really playable - the screenshots are downsampled from a very high resolution.


VRAM really becomes a limiting factor at high resolutions with lots of AA for me - I am hoping there will be a 2x2 GB version of the 5870x2 card, but I can't find out...does anybody know?

 

[TheExodu5]

Crysis isn't even the most demanding game tbh. Stalker Clear Skies and GTA 4 destroy the 295. Right now what they have shown of the 5870 is leaps and bounds better than the 295. Starting by the fact that a 295 cannot handle any resolution avobe 1900x1200 due to its small framebuffer. If I wanted it really badly, I would get two 5870's and crossfire them, but there is no game that I enjoy that I cannot play maxed and at 60fps, so I will wait for that first, which will give me time to evaluate Nvidia's offer.

Clear Skies is only an issue if you turn on SSAO. Without it you gain like 5x the performance.

As for the 5850/5870...I'm in no rush. The GTX 275 is doing all I need. There are no really interesting games out there for me that I can't already run at 60fps with 4xAA/16xAF. Going to wait a year or so (probably when I graduate), and build myself a new PC then. Hopefully the second nVidia refresh is out (since I'm loving nHancer, I'd rather stick with nVidia).

 

[Barso]

I have never used it but what does nhancer do and what improvements does to do over nvidea drivers?

 

[Sleeker]

I posted more of those GTA IV shots in high-res screenshot thread - here are two

This quality is not really playable - the screenshots are downsampled from a very high resolution.


VRAM really becomes a limiting factor at high resolutions with lots of AA for me - I am hoping there will be a 2x2 GB version of the 5870x2 card, but I can't find out...does anybody know?

has that had AA added in photo mode or something?
Mine looks just a good but has jaggies everywhere

 

[Dennis]

has that had AA added in photo mode or something?
Mine looks just a good but has jaggies everywhere

Downsampling the image from a very high resolution produces what looks like extremely high levels of AA. The game is still a jaggy mess - maybe the fullscreen AA mod will be released soon and we will see if it is playable.

 

[Mr.Potato Head]

Clear Skies is only an issue if you turn on SSAO. Without it you gain like 5x the performance.

As for the 5850/5870...I'm in no rush. The GTX 275 is doing all I need. There are no really interesting games out there for me that I can't already run at 60fps with 4xAA/16xAF. Going to wait a year or so (probably when I graduate), and build myself a new PC then. Hopefully the second nVidia refresh is out (since I'm loving nHancer, I'd rather stick with nVidia).

Thats pretty much what im doing...what i got now 4870X2 runs everything out there on the PC worth playing fine... if we start to see a big jump of AAA exclusive pc games sporting bleeding edge visuals... yeah, i will get one of these new Dx11 cards but until then..you might as well wait for prices to adjust and drop and see what Nvidia has up their sleeves.

Dont get me wrong, if had money to toss out my friggen window..i'd be first in line for a new ATI dx11 card but there's no point in doing it other then flossing that you got a dx11 card on message boards lol

 

[artist]

Any word on when Nvidia will announce anything? Surely they would want to counter attack ATi's awesomeness with at least a few specifications for their new cards.

They dropped prices on the 295 from $529 to $469. :lol

New realistic Ruby

 

[ExtraKr1spy]

They dropped prices on the 295 from $529 to $469. :lol

New realistic Ruby

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2597/3907249780_12a5d8592a.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3438/3907250684_2dfb1c1d11.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2648/3906472189_21efc2359c.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2607/3907249086_78e61f8b91.jpg

Looks like Le chiffre's girlfriend/wife from Casino royale

edit: Ivana Millicevic
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTM4NzI4MjE1MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMzAwMDI3._V1._SX485_SY322_.jpg

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

Clear Skies is only an issue if you turn on SSAO. Without it you gain like 5x the performance.

As for the 5850/5870...I'm in no rush. The GTX 275 is doing all I need. There are no really interesting games out there for me that I can't already run at 60fps with 4xAA/16xAF. Going to wait a year or so (probably when I graduate), and build myself a new PC then. Hopefully the second nVidia refresh is out (since I'm loving nHancer, I'd rather stick with nVidia).

Is that the thing that enables the sun shafts ? I always thought it was them that destroyed performance (60+ fps when there not there, a really ruff 20 when they were, look great though).

 

[artist]

Take it with a grain of salt

a) Official drivers are due Monday
b) Tester says the 5870 is OC'd

 

[Xdrive05]

The 5850 might as well not exist if they don't give us benchies...

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

Apparently STALKER: Call of Pripyat and Battleforge will also use DX11 -

http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/09/11/amd-reveals-more-directx11-pc-games/

 

[pestul]

That benchmark is stupid and indicates nothing..

I think a 5850 will be for me. I game on a 1680x1050 display and don't really have plans to use multi-monitor technology.

 

[ghst]

i'll look to buy when green and red start taking dx11 sized chunks out of each other. sure worked out great for the consumer last time around.

 

[artist]

Example of high Tessellation

Source: http://news.ati-forum.de/index.php/...ige-spezifikationen-und-weitere-informationen



Also Kyle @ HardOCP says that the perf is upto 2x and also some one who was at this event says AMD was running physics via OpenCL, Nvidia was in trouble.

 

[Gwanatu T]

Holy crap @ that AVP screenshot. Oh man ATI struck gold again. Can't wait to get one of these puppies next year (I'm holding off for sub-$200).

 

[artist]

Holy crap @ that AVP screenshot. Oh man ATI struck gold again. Can't wait to get one of these puppies next year (I'm holding off for sub-$200).

5850 sounds mighty nice at $299, I'm pretty sure there will be rebates by Black Friday.

 

[JSnake]

Only 1GB?

 

[pestul]

I wonder if a healthy overclock on the 5850 will yield near 5870 numbers. I know the differences in architecture, but it should be interesting. Maybe the 5850's will end up being like the X800 Pro Vivo and just be a neutered version of the higher class card that is bios moddable.

 

[brain_stew]

It was unplayable on minimum settings on my newly formatted 8800GT, E6600, 4gb @800mhz machine. Probably running Vista or 7 RC x64, can't remember.

If that's the case then you'd never be able to play any console game, which is fine and all but it must be noted that you have quite high standards when you say stuff like this. A rig like that will run GTA 4 significantly better than a 360 and lets not even mention the 640p, ~20fps PS3 version. Many people forget just how horrid the performance of GTA4 was on the consoles.

OCing that E6600 would have made a whole world of difference fwiw.

Honestly the fact that you could get rid of the hideous dithering shadows and the utterly stupid blur filter in the PC version, is reason enough to choose that version, even on something that would give console performance.

 

[open_mouth_]

what about games with physx support like Batman? will there be an patch for people who buy these new ATI cards? I want my cloth physics in batman and mirror's edge, damnit!

 

[SapientWolf]

Thats pretty much what im doing...what i got now 4870X2 runs everything out there on the PC worth playing fine... if we start to see a big jump of AAA exclusive pc games sporting bleeding edge visuals... yeah, i will get one of these new Dx11 cards but until then..you might as well wait for prices to adjust and drop and see what Nvidia has up their sleeves.

Dont get me wrong, if had money to toss out my friggen window..i'd be first in line for a new ATI dx11 card but there's no point in doing it other then flossing that you got a dx11 card on message boards lol

Someone made the point that the best video cards ever made were released around the introduction of a new version of DX. The 5850/5870 could be the next 9700/9800.

 

[vanguardian1]

I wonder if it'll help me play oblivion better?

Spoiler

I have WAY too many mods running...... AMD X2 4600+ and HD3850 512mb

 

[brain_stew]

What the fuck is that thing? It's freaking ginormous mayng.

Looks noticably smaller than my GTX 260 tbh.

 

[Smelly Tramp]

Looks like it'll be the 5850 for me, bit more then i'd like to pay but I need a card before the start of October when i move to university.

$299 is a bit steep but, well... what else is there? Spending £120 on a card half as powerful right now wouldn't make much sense at the moment.

 

[Atilac]

I'm looking forward to the 5890. I imagine those will hit sometime in april?

 

[bee]

Looks noticably smaller than my GTX 260 tbh.

?? look at the overhang on that atx mobo, that thing is BIG

 

[Dark Stalkers]

That card is sexy.

 

[Technosteve]

so i own the 4890 for 4 weeks, guess i'll get this 5870 and get 2x performance gain.

anyone want to buy a brand new 4890? ghst =D

 

[TOAO_Cyrus]

what about games with physx support like Batman? will there be an patch for people who buy these new ATI cards? I want my cloth physics in batman and mirror's edge, damnit!

PhysX is written in CUDA which is Nvidias proprietary language so it will never be portable to other video card brands. Devs would have to patch in an entirely new physics engine which probably wont happen. Thems the breaks when you use a vendor exclusive solution. Nvidia is to be commended for pushing the envelope with GPU physics but CUDA and PhysX was always a dead end. Kind of like 3DFX and their GLIDE API, OpenGL and DirectX killed it just like OpenCL and DirectCompute will do with CUDA.

EDIT: If Nvidia is smart they will make CUDA an open standard and allow it to be implemented on any platform. That way they will have control on how it evolves which may give them a leg up on AMD.

 

[artist]

Only 1GB?

If you want 2GB, shell out $50 more.

I wonder if a healthy overclock on the 5850 will yield near 5870 numbers. I know the differences in architecture, but it should be interesting. Maybe the 5850's will end up being like the X800 Pro Vivo and just be a neutered version of the higher class card that is bios moddable.

I'm pretty sure both Nvidia/ATI have resorted fully to laser modding their chips to prevent such unlocks.

what about games with physx support like Batman? will there be an patch for people who buy these new ATI cards? I want my cloth physics in batman and mirror's edge, damnit!

There should be a patch. There is already a mod that enables all the Batman physics on current ATI cards.

Someone made the point that the best video cards ever made were released around the introduction of a new version of DX. The 5850/5870 could be the next 9700/9800.

That was me.

DirectX8 -> Geforce 4000 series
DirectX9 -> Radeon 9700 series
DirectX10 -> Geforce 8800 series

I'm looking forward to the 5890. I imagine those will hit sometime in april?

Depends if ATI will need it.

Looks noticably smaller than my GTX 260 tbh.

There was a comment that the 5870 is as long as the 8800GTX, which I think is longer than the 260.

 

[Technosteve]

i think it will be physics middle ware written in open cl, and then ported to cuda in the future. Havok is intel and they are the top dogs in physics engine not nvidia.

 

[brain_stew]

?? look at the overhang on that atx mobo, that thing is BIG

The GTX cards overhang by more than that, mine sure does.

If you want 2GB, shell out $50 more.

If the 2GB 5870 is really $450 then that's pretty damn disapointing. Hopefully its $350/$400 for the 1GB/2GB models.

 

[vertopci]

Wish nVidia would release specs and shit about their new cards. ATI is gonna own them saleswise if they don't start talking. And that makes the nVidia fanboy in me sad.

Also are there any DX10/9 vs DX 11 comparisions yet?

 

[Cheeto]

so i own the 4890 for 4 weeks, guess i'll get this 5870 and get 2x performance gain.

anyone want to buy a brand new 4890? ghst =D

You serious? I might be interested in buying your 4890

 

[vertopci]

The GTX cards overhang by more than that, mine sure does.

Out of curiosity is the GTX 260 the same size at the 8800GTX?

 

[brain_stew]

Out of curiosity is the GTX 260 the same size at the 8800GTX?

Bigger.

 

[vertopci]

Bigger.

Alot bigger or just a tad bit? I don't know if I'll have room in my case for these newer cards

 

[brain_stew]

There was a comment that the 5870 is as long as the 8800GTX, which I think is longer than the 260.

No its (slightly) shorter than a 8800gtx, which itself is shorter than a GTX 260/280. I don't think its such a huge card tbh.

 

[marsomega]

Dirt 2 - DirectX 11 in Action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teE5wqT2DNU

Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X. @ 5760x2400
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzGtx...layer_embedded




Should up date the original post with the vids.

 

[cyberheater]

Any updates or demo vids that demonstrates the hardware tessellators?

 

[TOAO_Cyrus]

Wish nVidia would release specs and shit about their new cards. ATI is gonna own them saleswise if they don't start talking. And that makes the nVidia fanboy in me sad.

Video card companies used to do that but they got killed in the media and on forums for doing paper launches. If they did that now it would be a PR disaster. Personally I thought it was nice to know whats coming a few months early, as long as they allowed some 3rd party testing, I don't believe for a second any performance claims made by the manufacturers.

 

[KentoMaiku]

i think the cards may be cheap after all, but its still not exactly still cheap, but nvidia should still be king of the cards

 

[TOAO_Cyrus]

i think the cards may be cheap after all, but its still not exactly still cheap, but nvidia should still be king of the cards

I cant wrap my head around this...

 

[vertopci]

I cant wrap my head around this...

It's ok, you aren't the only one :lol

 

[cyberheater]

Okay. Found some shots that demonstrate the hardware tessellator at work.

Tessellation off

Tessellation high

Wow

 

[plagiarize]

WHY IS THIS THREAD HIDING AVP3 SCREENSHOTS? WHERE ARE THERE MORE?

looks at the screens above.

Truform 2.0 then eh?

 

[SapientWolf]

I cant wrap my head around this...

I think he meant to say, "The red is hot but I'm still red on the red. Go with the green if your green is still green."

 

[vertopci]

Okay. Found some shots that demonstrate the hardware tessellator at work.

Tessellation off

Tessellation high

Wow

God damn. Whats the tessellation count?