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[ntropy]

CapGod is dead.

 

[badcrumble]

I've heard that Capcom's finances are much more troubled than one might assume based on their prolific output this gen, so who knows.

 

[Cep]

CapGod is dead.

Never existed.

 

[TheThunder]

Never existed.

Seriously, I don't know who started this Capgod shit. It's their worst gen so far.

 

[gumshoe]

you guys are racist

 

[ULTROS!]

I think Capcom was really good when Mikami and Kamiya were still there...

 

[Lightning]

If this is true then what the fuck at Capcom....

No ......... just NO.

 

[badcrumble]

I think Capcom was really good when Mikami and Kamiya were still there...

Yeah I've basically realized that all of my favorite Capcom titles ever were directed by one of the two of them. There are a few exceptions (RE3, the first three Onimusha games) but yeah. Letting them and Clover go was a biiiiig mistake.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Seriously, I don't know who started this Capgod shit. It's their worst gen so far.

Hey, they got off to a great start the first two years of this gen it seemed like they couldn't make a bad move... the last two though :lol

 

[ymmv]

Oh God Capcom. :/

Oh crap Capgod. :/

 

[ULTROS!]

Why did Capcom take out Clover and Kamiya/Mikami? That's kinda like taking out Sakaguchi from Square (which happened) or Kojima from Konami.

 

[Nirolak]

Why did Capcom take out Clover and Kamiya/Mikami? That's kinda like taking out Sakaguchi from Square (which happened) or Kojima from Konami.

Clover's games were all gigantic financial disasters.

 

[a Master Ninja]

How did I miss this thread the first time around. If this is true, and I pray it isn't, shame on Capcom. Thank goodness for:

 

[ULTROS!]

Clover's games were all gigantic financial disasters.

Those are two games right? Namely Okami and Godhand.

Well... Maybe we should compare those two to the games done by Capcom nowadays that's not RE, SF, DMC, and MH.

 

[DR2K]

Clover's games were all gigantic financial disasters.

Clover doesn't market the games. I'm assuming.

 

[badcrumble]

Thank goodness for:

Amen.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Why did Capcom take out Clover and Kamiya/Mikami? That's kinda like taking out Sakaguchi from Square (which happened) or Kojima from Konami.

Around Okami, Inaba started getting kind of pissy about Capcom's involvement in Clover games. Lord knows what actually transpired, but it does seem like Capcom was kind of sick of the Clover project and wanted to bring Inaba, Mikami, and Kamiya back in to the Capcom fold rather than simply funding (perhaps way more than to Capcom's liking) large projects that have only been successful twice.

Edit: I guess successful once. I am not sure Okamiden counts.

Capcom closed it down and the people involved, several of which were not happy with Capcom at all at that point, left as well. To this day I am not sure why Kamiya left, other than that his friends told him he should go with them.

 

[gabe90]

Around Okami, Inaba started getting kind of pissy about Capcom's involvement in Clover games. Lord knows what actually transpired, but it does seem like Capcom was kind of sick of the Clover project and wanted to bring Inaba, Mikami, and Kamiya back in to the Capcom fold rather than simply funding (perhaps way more than to Capcom's liking) large projects that have only been successful twice.

Edit: I guess successful once. I am not sure Okamiden counts.

Capcom closed it down and the people involved, several of which were not happy with Capcom at all at that point, left as well. To this day I am not sure why Kamiya left, other than that his friends told him he should go with them.

I find this history fascinating. Is there a wiki or are there any articles that detail/speculate on what happened similar to this post?

 

[Kyoufu]

If DMC has been outsourced then I guess Capcom have given up on it. After DMC4 they've probably become creatively bankrupt, and honestly who cares anymore?

They should internally develop Strider instead.

 

[OnimaruXLR]

Seriously, I don't know who started this Capgod shit. It's their worst gen so far.

In spite of everything that's happened (and now, stuff that seems like it's going to happen soon) they're still doing better than any other Japanese company that isn't Nintendo

 

[Rahxephon91]

Why would Capcom do this? They seem to only give their franchises to studios that have their own engine. Does Ninja Theory have their own engine? Isn't their new game running of Unreal? I doubt they would be allowed to use MT Famework.

I really wouldn't want to see an Unreal powered DMC and besides the series is so Japanese, theres no way Ninja Theory regardless of how HS, was could do it justice.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

if this is true

that its kinda confirming Mikami and them left Capcom with all the talents, Capcom does'nt even trust themselves with one of their biggest IPs anymore.

....or they dont have the money to develop anyMore games internally for next year.

 

[Zen]

The fighters (and 8-bit Mega Man) are the only things Capcom did right this gen.

Capcom has ton a tremendous amount right this generation, including the massive physiological restructuring, making all their games use a unified engine, etc. The problem isn't outsourcing it's

Their choices are small to be honest, they can't develop all the games internally and pretty much there is no good independent studio left that they can outsource. there is Valve and that's it. but choosing Blue Caslte, an studio that only developed baseball games, to make DR2 doesn't make any sense, right DR has baseball bats but yeah:lol .
Ninja Theory is decent at least and their previous games were in same genre, I can't think of another studio that they could choose (of course if the story is true).

Capcom has made some bad decisions lately, if their internal manpower is so limited that they had to outsource these games why they chose to develop LP2 internally? they could outsource that instead of DR or DMC and the result would be better than the mess that is LP2, Japanese developers can't do online shooters, if it was outsourced to some B-grade developer the result would be better probably, some of the design decisions they made in LP2 are just laughable.

It's really too harsh to say that SFIV and MegaMan have been the only things that Capcom has done right this generation, they've been on fire aside from the missteps that are Bionic Commando, Dark Void, and such. RE5 wasn't up to par with RE4, but it was hardly a failure. Street Fighter has been a massive success, relatively speaking, they've managed to keep the Monster Hunter IP going stronger than ever in Japan, they've put effort into new IPs like Dead Rising and LP2, and Marvel versus Capcom III is on the way.

if this is true

that its kinda confirming Mikami and them left Capcom with all the talents, Capcom does'nt even trust themselves with one of their biggest IPs anymore.

....or they dont have the money to develop anyMore games internally for next year.

That's the weird thing about Capcom, they seem to produce games that sell a lot, and have very popular IPs, but their profits are always pretty modest.

Why would Capcom do this? They seem to only give their franchises to studios that have their own engine. Does Ninja Theory have their own engine? Isn't their new game running of Unreal? I doubt they would be allowed to use MT Famework.

I really wouldn't want to see an Unreal powered DMC and besides the series is so Japanese, theres no way Ninja Theory regardless of how HS, was could do it justice.

They could only be partially outsourcing it to Ninja Theory (if true) while still having most of the key staff being internal.

 

[Rahxephon91]

I really don't understand how anyone can think Capcom has been crappy this gen.

Perhaps that says more about this gen's standard's then anything else.

 

[mr_nothin]

DMC4 sucked anyways. Lets see what they can do

 

[badcrumble]

Come to think of it, IF Capcom wanted to jump-start Onimusha, Ninja Theory might be a decent fit for that franchise. Might be. I love Onimusha 1-3, and I didn't really like Heavenly Sword whatsoever, but I could see it working.

 

[ZeoVGM]

The fighters (and 8-bit Mega Man) are the only things Capcom did right this gen.

Not remotely. DMC4 was a very good game (though 3 was better). Lost Planet and Dead Rising were great starts to new franchises (I haven't played LP2 yet). RE5 was great, despite the lame hate it gets here at times. There are few games I've had more fun with this gen than RE5 on co-op. The Wii RE games were fun, the Bionic Commando XBLA game was great, and like you said, the fighters and Mega Man games were awesome.

Capcom has been great this gen.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

Seriously, I don't know who started this Capgod shit. It's their worst gen so far.

It's everyone's worst gen so far. Capcom just happen to be slightly better than the rest.

 

[ULTROS!]

Seriously, I don't know who started this Capgod shit. It's their worst gen so far.

What about Konami's, Namco Bandai's, and Square Enix'?

I don't know about Sega's though, I like their new titles sans Sonic.

 

[Stabby McSter]

It's everyone's worst gen so far. Capcom just happen to be slightly better than the rest.

I liked Dead Rising, SF4 and SSF4.

edit: i completely forgot about RE5, although it's only really enjoyable via co-op.

 

[TheThunder]

In spite of everything that's happened (and now, stuff that seems like it's going to happen soon) they're still doing better than any other Japanese company that isn't Nintendo

Absolutely.

While this is their weakest gen so far they are still a good developer in general something that can't be said about Namco for example.

Capgod however ? yeah try again.

 

[iconoclast]

DMC4 might not be better than 3, but it's still one of the few great action games this gen, so beggars can't be choosers. We have Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden 2, DMC4, and that's about it.

Itagaki will have to save E3 if this rumor is true.

 

[Cep]

DMC4 might not be better than 3, but it's still one of the few great action games this gen, so beggars can't be choosers. We have Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden 2, DMC4, and that's about it.

Itagaki will have to save E3 if this rumor is true.

See, I look at it differently: I am not a beggar.

We have Ninja Gaiden 2 and Bayonetta.

 

[Monocle]

Wow, Bayonetta arrived on the scene just in time. Looks like Kamiya has rescued the action genre once again.

Incidentally, people need to cut out the shit-talking about DMC4. The game is worse than all the other DMCs except the second, yes, but its combat system is still fantastic, and its standard enemies are better than DMC3's. I'd much rather play DMC4 than Ninja Gaiden 2, and I'm one of the people who loved NG2 and felt the technical issues were blown out of proportion.

 

[Zen]

It's everyone's worst gen so far. Capcom just happen to be slightly better than the rest.

Capcom had a worse gen in the PS2 era.

 

[°°ToMmY°°]

Capcom had a worse gen in the PS2 era.

maximo alone says no.

 

[ULTROS!]

Capcom had a worse gen in the PS2 era.

Er... No. That's like saying DMC, Okami, and RE4 (although ported) suck.

 

[Monocle]

Capcom had a worse gen in the PS2 era.

Objectively wrong.

 

[ZeoVGM]

See, I look at it differently: I am not a beggar.

We have Ninja Gaiden 2 and Bayonetta.

I'd take DMC4 over NG2 any day.

Though Bayonetta is obvious.

 

[Cep]

Capcom had a worse gen in the PS2 era.

DMC 1 & 3, Okami, RE4, Remake, Godhand and a shitton of other games call BS.

I'd take DMC4 over NG2 any day.

Though Bayonetta is obvious.

At the very least, I do not consider DMC4 to be one of the greats. So if it means we only have one 'great' Action game so far, so be it.

 

[ZeoVGM]

DMC 1 & 3, Okami, RE4, Remake, Godhand and a shitton of other games call BS.

Fixed.

 

[batbeg]

Fixed.

I hate when I see people say fixed and don't see anything changed.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I hate when I see people say fixed and don't see anything changed.

:lol It originally said "DMC1-3", so I "fixed" it by putting "DMC 1 & 3" and then he fixed his own post.

 

[Suzzopher]

Wait, did I miss something? I haven't seen anything announced about DMC5. Yet everyone is claiming it's the end of Capcom:lol

I do agree with people in here though. Japan have missed the boat, but only in that they are getting Western studios to make their games or trying to copy and paste Western ideas. What they need to do is to stay true to what made their games so great to begin with. Sure look at western development for quick turn around etc, but stay to true to your routes.

It's like if Bollywood starting making big budget films with robots/pirates/aliens etc.

 

[TheThunder]

Capcom had a worse gen in the PS2 era.

3rd Strike
MvC2
Onimusha
DMC

and that's just a tip of the iceberg :lol

 

[ULTROS!]

Although I personally liked Capcom's PSOne generation more because of Breath of Fire III, RE1-3, and Mega Man Legends.

Hope I'm not the only one. :3

 

[Kyoufu]

For me Capcom's PS2 gen was the best.

Monster Hunter 1 & 2
Devil May Cry 1 & 3

action games of the generation.

 

[matrix-cat]

Apart from the godawful God of War-style Right Analogue Stick rolling I quite liked Heavenly Sword's combat system. Having to jerk the Sixaxis upwards to do an aerial combo was terrible, but I liked the idea of switching stances on the fly and blocking automatically as long as you were in the right stance. And I loved the part at the end where you cut through a whole army; I've always wanted that from God of War but, even at its most epic, that series still only gives you maybe a dozen dudes to kill at a time. Being able to control projectiles in-flight was absolutely glorious, and throwing dead people at their friends in mid-battle was such a great idea.

It had pretty obvious problems, but there's gold in Heavenly Sword. I'd like to see what Team Ninja can do with DMC.

 

[Valcryst]

Capcom had a worse gen in the PS2 era.

4 DMC games
4 Onimusha games
Shadow of Rome
Maximo
RE4 and Rebirth
Viewtiful Joe
Okami
Godhand
Chaos Legion
Killer 7
Gregory Horror Show
Sengoku Basara

to name a few.
I loved Capcom sooooo much in the previous gen, I even enjoyed BOF Dragon Quarter, PN03 and Beatdown.

 

[Averon]

Oh god. This may be true? I think I threw up a little bit in my mouth.