Schnozberry
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Rumor: NX controller supports Wii-like motion control and force-feedback.
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Remember what Doc said, Marty. Don't interfere with the past.
A promise means you're usually certain of something and basically... I'm just disappointed at your response.
Why? How would the system be better with less functionality/options?
Unless you are assuming every game will end up being a Carnival Games waggle fest... Which won't be the case.
LegendofLex
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They're all shake gestures mapped to functions that'd normally be assigned to buttons, and moreover that doesn't take advantage of things like directional input that give motion controls their secret sauce.
That's what people mean by "waggle." That it's used for something less basic than "swing your sword" isn't really material to the point. You still get a lot out of the jump spin, the roll/pound, the Metroid Blast dodge, and the various actions in Skyward Sword that are assigned to a shake and not a refined gesture.
Well, the guys who did that port seemed to hate using the remote and nunchuck, so no one should be surprised. None of the ports they did used them. Sadly, I purchased Deus Ex, but that was a major lapse in judgement. Won't happen again. Heh, heh.
Father_Brain
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When a half-dozen or so credible news outlets are all reporting that it's a hybrid, it's not really "common sense" to suggest otherwise based on nothing more than a hunch.
You already broke your promise.
metareferential
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It won't be comfortable.
Handhelds never are, as long as they try to have a decent shape.
And yes, I know you're all going to get mad at me "but but but Vita/Ds whatever": portables are never comfortable to hold, especially so compared to a standard controller (but these days people use fucking phones to play, which are the least comfortable thing on the earth xD).
That said, I'm very curious to see what Nintendo has come up with.
Sorry that a random internet person let you down.
BRocknRolla
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That's a really nice looking piece of hardware. I highly doubt it will be that sleek though.
Colonel Mustard
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Skyward Sword and the Zelda attraction are doing near 1:1 tracking with whatever your arm is doing. It's not the same thing as shake----action.
You're literally fighting against multiple creditable sources on this one. Don't end up like SMD.
Skittzo0413
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If you read the article in the OP it also confirms the Eurogamer report as 100% accurate so.....
It's a hybrid
Fourth Storm
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If this rumor is true, than the NX controller attachments won't be the strictest interpretation of that recent patent, in which there were no electrical components. Still, I wonder about the role of infrared and optical sensors in this loaded device.
Orniletter
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If Nintendo wanted a seperate Wii remote control scheme, Tantalus would have put it in. Nintendo didn't want it in/ thought traditional controls were more fitting.
It's just such a dumb thing to go "Oh no, Zelda U will use this controversial control scheme from 10 years ago, won't it. Hope not DX !"
Why even bother posting that.
LegendofLex
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There are lots of actions in Skyward Sword that use 1:1 controls. There are also lots of actions that don't. Guiding your bird, swinging your sword, aiming your projectiles - those all use 1:1 controls. Activating the swim dash, shaking off certain enemy attacks, etc. use pure flailing waggle.
Likewise for Nintendo Land. Aiming in Metroid Blast uses Wii MotionPlus. The dodge gesture is a waggle that sends you in the direction your stick is pressed.
If the portable device is docked and streaming to your TV, the NX controller attachments won't even be acting as attachments to a handheld anyway(they'll be operating separately), in which case of course they won't be an implementation of the patent since the patent is for modular control bits attached to a handheld.
There could very well be gyro built in to the portable itself, which would abrogate any need for the attachments to use electrical components while connected to the portable.
Skittzo0413
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In theory you wouldn't need any sort of physical or optical connection between the controller attachments and the screen, since they can communicate wirelessly.
I still think if that patent will be used it will be mainly for optional add-on accessories which can be purchased alone or potentially come packaged with certain games. Not for the standard control scheme.
I won't lie, I hope it's not a hybrid. Or, I hope there's a dedicated console coming. (I'll hold off on the handheld if that were the case.) As long as it's console side isn't "gimped", I'll be fairly happy with what they're trying to do. I'll go with the flow, for now, though. No point in jumping off the deep end when we really don't know jack about the system.
Oh, you're 100% right. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Tantalus didn't push very hard to have it added in, either....
Agent Unknown
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No, Nintendo. You are not 'phasing out the Wii remote over time.' You want motion control of some kind, fine, but there is no "phasing out" of Wii remotes at this point. You should have already at this point in preparation for a clean break dutifully killed off the now-brand name zombie nightmare of anything related to Wii but no, by all means inject some fresh life into the corpse so it can continue to devour and possibly destroy the future of your company.
Candescence
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I'd be thrilled if true, BTH. The Motion+ doesn't have spacial tracking like the Vive (which is the gold standard in motion controllers), but for its relatively simple tracking it's quite accurate. For all its flaws, Skyward Sword's swordplay was not one of them.
A more advanced version of that in both controller halves along with a more traditional physical control set and you've got the best of both worlds - right-stick quick turning with independent pointer aiming precision in a shooter? FUCK YES. That would make console shooters exponentially more playable, if not quite as good as mouse and keyboard. Gimmie Splatoon 2 with this thing, Nintendo, I need it.
A more advanced version of that in both controller halves along with a more traditional physical control set and you've got the best of both worlds - right-stick quick turning with independent pointer aiming precision in a shooter? FUCK YES. That would make console shooters exponentially more playable, if not quite as good as mouse and keyboard. Gimmie Splatoon 2 with this thing, Nintendo, I need it.
LegendofLex
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There's nothing wrong with allowing people who already have them to use them, even if they aren't ever sold or marketed as NX controllers.
Shiiiiieet
OrbitalBeard
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LegendofLex has played BotW.
LegendofLex
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To be fair, I didn't play that particular segment. But anything that can be aimed with gyro (like the hammer in that trial) can be aimed with sticks as well.
Agent Unknown
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Whatever, the word "Wii" just better not be anywhere on the boxes. Even something like "NX is compatible with Wii Mote accessories" is inviting a repeat of mass consumer confusion and disaster all over again.
OrbitalBeard
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Yeah, plus Aonuma has already confirmed full Pro Controller support for the game.
There's nothing inherently wrong with allowing multiple control set-ups. Take Smash for example, there are pros who use the Wii Remote & Nunchuck (though they are far from the majority). Smash 4 in general uses tons of control options, so keeping as many of them as possible for the NX port is a good call (though of the alternate controllers used in Smash, getting the GameCube Controller to work should be top priority).
LegendofLex
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Right, exactly.
I don't think you'll ever see a Wii Remote in a single piece of promotional material.
Maybe you'll hear about it around the time NX is announced, and see support listed on the back of the box for some games.
And of course there's nothing wrong with letting people use them for downloadable Wii games or something.
I believe one GAF insider said that Nintendo is moving away from the Wii brand, so no worries there.
PantherLotus
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Feel like everyone suggesting it's crazy to worry wtf Nintendo is doing here hasn't been paying attention for the past 15-20 years.
It's not like people are questioning a company who has never made major mistakes, bad bets, or gotten fucky with controllers over and over and over again just to satisfy one Miyamoto side project at the cost of 3rd party coverage. How many times have we been through this now? We can see it all coming and y'all wanna act like there's nothing here to criticize.
It's not like people are questioning a company who has never made major mistakes, bad bets, or gotten fucky with controllers over and over and over again just to satisfy one Miyamoto side project at the cost of 3rd party coverage. How many times have we been through this now? We can see it all coming and y'all wanna act like there's nothing here to criticize.
The WiiU version doesnt need motion controls, no way they will force it on the NX version when it has a standard option too
I Wanna Be The Guy
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I look at it this way. This means Wii games on the virtual console is viable for this system, and better yet, it essentially means we have a PORTABLE WII! Detatch the controllers, set the NX screen/handheld down in front of me and play some goddamn Mario Galaxy. I want it.
We could still wait to see if they've actually screwed up before assuming that they must have, don't you think? Plus, you people aren't even trying to understand the rumor and are just throwing a fit over two words.
Besides, they can still use that technology and have a different name for the console. It's funny that the Wii brand is considered so toxic, yet the Playstation and Xbox brands have the most unoriginal names for their consoles and no one even bats an eye. Heh, heh.
Fourth Storm
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Right, but the patent also mentioned the possibility of a separate controller centerpiece that the two sides might attach to. I like this better, though, even if there is a different touch pad center option (They'll need some type of touch input for certain games I'm thinking). The more freedom the better.
I don't know if the patent will be used at all. The price of adding multiple optical sensors would likely start to add up, but I'm hoping for one or two for gesture tracking and other stuff.
OrbitalBeard
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It's one thing to be skeptical (I wouldn't be surprised if every single person in this thread is skeptical of NX to some degree). It's another to completely write off the platform based on a rumor.
It doesn't matter all that much to me though, to be honest, as I tend to write off those who constantly jump to conclusions.
Agent Unknown
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Eh, we'll see. "Moving away"? More like fleeing. All I know is they better not even be tempted to put anything related to Wii on any of the packages. What post was that btw?
RobFox64tm
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So it might be another split controller design like the Wii remote and nun chuck? I'm OK with that, as long as it has all the buttons a standard controller has. Nintendo just needs to show us this thing already.
Milly Osworth
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The whole hybrid console/handheld if done well sounds pretty cool. You just put your handheld in the dock and keep playing on your tv.
But I'm not sure if there is a market for it. Are there people that actually take their portable gaming on the go AND have the desire to play at home on their tv screen?
But I'm not sure if there is a market for it. Are there people that actually take their portable gaming on the go AND have the desire to play at home on their tv screen?
LegendofLex
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I'd wager that most people who own a portable dedicated gaming device also own a TV-connected one.
I mean, I could see them rebranding the Wii Remotes into whatever name the NX ends up having, while allowing the millions of existing Wii Remotes in the wild to still work. As stated earlier, games like Smash allowed for multiple controllers from multiple generations to work with no issue, so I don't see why Nintendo should stop with that now.
Plus, as mentioned by someone else in this thread, the new NES Controller for the NES Mini uses the same plug found on the bottom of Wii Remotes, so that kinda hinted towards said port being retained for the NX.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Yes. I am one of them. But then I'm weird and my favourite platform this gen by far is the Vita.
Candescence
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And that's on top of having a touch screen on the handheld screen, and probably the scroll wheel shoulder buttons. This thing is gonna be a beast control-wise, so many options!
Agent Unknown
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Right, I don't have a problem with stuff like Smash compatibility, as long as they don't sell actual Wiimotes anymore and bury the Wii name like a plague ridden body.
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