TheRedRiders
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If the rumour is true it means we might not get high end RDNA 4 graphics cards. Curious to see how this will impact Nvidia’s strategy with Blackwell (50 Series) especially when it comes to pricing.
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(RUMOUR) RDNA 4 Will Not Have Any High End GPU’s
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If the rumour is true it means we might not get high end RDNA 4 graphics cards. Curious to see how this will impact Nvidia’s strategy with Blackwell (50 Series) especially when it comes to pricing.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
AMD throwing in the towel for the high end GPU market yet again... awesome...
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SmokSmog
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5090 will be on a BW103 400mm2 or less with a 256bit bus and 24GB VRAM ( GDDR7 chips have 3GB option).
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Almost certainly a generation to skip I guess.
Though hopefully Battlemage is atleast 4070Ti/3090 tier.
Though hopefully Battlemage is atleast 4070Ti/3090 tier.
RagnarokIV
Member
Save us Intel.
squarealex
Member
In console language, what that's mean ? PS6 is doomed ?
Bernoulli
M2 slut
consoles never used high end GPU
squarealex
Member
I never understand AMD GPU letter and number for low end, medium end, high end range
Puscifer
Member
Remember the GHZ edition cards? Feels like that was the last time AMD was going for the throat. Also Feels like both companies are making so much money from business that consumer grade stuff is an afterthought
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twilo99
Member
They never use mid tier GPU either..
TheRedRiders
Member
Let's use the RDNA 2 6000 series as an example, 6600 will be the low end and the 6900 will be the high end, XT and other such variants are similar to Nvidia's Ti and Super.
What's in the PS5 and Series X is something close to a 6600 I think.
Roman Empire
Member
Nvidia laughing while holding the market hostage
squarealex
Member
Hmm... I see. I was thinking AMD reset the number once they started RDNA 1 when Zen 1 coming.
Thank you
Lucifers Beard
Member
Ah OK, so basically prepare to pay out of the ass for anything that Nvidia drops next. Great.
Unknown Soldier
Member
They literally are. Nvidia is sold out of AI hardware for the next 18 months.
Smiggs
Member
To the moon, baby!!! They will either be more affordable like the 30 series was compared to Turing (lol), or they're gonna lean in on fucking us peasants real good like. I'd bet on the latter.
Red5
Member
Whelp, Intel to the rescue I hope, their cards are good low-mid tier cards too, nothing to sneeze at.
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Puscifer
Member
Holy shit
Buggy Loop
Member
I can’t believe I’m gonna say something positive for AMD..
winjer
But this is the most logical move
Intel will be dangerous in mid range market and they have more market share to lose to Intel than Nvidia.
High end cards are niche, like ~1 to 2% userbase. This is not how Nvidia takes a chunk of the market share either, everything plays out in the xx60 xx70 range.
They probably can’t compete against Nvidia high end, next gen with all the AI chip design and AI foundry optimization with MCM and so on, they probably have a monster. But an expensive one. For all the R&D it would cost AMD to compete against it, it would barely break 1%, just look at 7900XTX, just now it broke into steam hardware survey after all this time.
So concentrate on mid range killer. That’s what Intel is doing also strategy wise.
Makes total sense to me
winjer
But this is the most logical move
Intel will be dangerous in mid range market and they have more market share to lose to Intel than Nvidia.
High end cards are niche, like ~1 to 2% userbase. This is not how Nvidia takes a chunk of the market share either, everything plays out in the xx60 xx70 range.
They probably can’t compete against Nvidia high end, next gen with all the AI chip design and AI foundry optimization with MCM and so on, they probably have a monster. But an expensive one. For all the R&D it would cost AMD to compete against it, it would barely break 1%, just look at 7900XTX, just now it broke into steam hardware survey after all this time.
So concentrate on mid range killer. That’s what Intel is doing also strategy wise.
Makes total sense to me
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SolidQ
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if it's vs superexpensive 512 bit 5090, no competition, it's fine. If vs 5080, it's bad.
MLiD seems hint about it. last part of video
crackajack
Member
If you can make the best offer in low end, you should be able to add more cores/CUs/chiplets whatever for high end as well and win there too. But imho Nvidia tech advantage shows even more in low end, where neither really compete properly, where "old" A2000 and current Ada 4000 show what is possible with a few watts while AMD has practically nothing there beside intregated APUs which offer less, the lowest range, but also for less watt and no need for a GPU at all.
They, and we, need a Zen and Epyc moment from their GPU research and not scale down. Probably should have done extra RT cores too as Nvidia and Intel, and not force that stuff inside the regular stuff or just double down on no RT and compete in a GTX legacy realm. For now that might have worked fine, but the next gen probably really needs RT and now they are stuck with their one size fits all design which never was good for RT.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Good.
Focus on the mid ranges, and lower end. That’s the majority of buyers. That’s where the competition is.
Leave the ultra high end all to Nvidia. It’s a segment AMD or Intel will never win.
Focus on the mid ranges, and lower end. That’s the majority of buyers. That’s where the competition is.
Leave the ultra high end all to Nvidia. It’s a segment AMD or Intel will never win.
winjer
Gold Member
I can’t believe I’m gonna say something positive for AMD..
But this is the most logical move
Intel will be dangerous in mid range market and they have more market share to lose to Intel than Nvidia.
High end cards are niche, like ~1 to 2% userbase. This is not how Nvidia takes a chunk of the market share either, everything plays out in the xx60 xx70 range.
They probably can’t compete against Nvidia high end, next gen with all the AI chip design and AI foundry optimization with MCM and so on, they probably have a monster. But an expensive one. For all the R&D it would cost AMD to compete against it, it would barely break 1%, just look at 7900XTX, just now it broke into steam hardware survey after all this time.
So concentrate on mid range killer. That’s what Intel is doing also strategy wise.
Makes total sense to me
That is true, but there is one thing to consider.
A modern GPU arch is made to scale with CUs or SMs. The low end is identical to the ultra high end. It only changes the amount of stuff in them.
The thing that changes is the die size. And this requires new masks for wafer production. Each costs a few million dollars.
So basically we have 3 or 4 masks, one for each die size. And then these can be binned by defect density, to make a few more skus.
AMD must be predicting that they won't sell enough high end GPUs, to make up he cost of making the masks for it.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
I don’t agree. Even my 9700 xt beats the 4090 in pure raster performance in a lot of games. Nvidia beat them to rt but they will catch up In the next few gens.
Senua
Member
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
They sure as hell will never win by releasing inferior products.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Dark times ahead for PC gamers. Almost as if someone doesn't want you to use a relatively open platform with some real competition and choices.
Buggy Loop
Member
True that
I’ll be surprised that Nvidia doesn’t cut somewhere either, AI has way more margin than gaming and there’s only so much silicon wafers and production time slots at TSMC / Samsung in a year.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia also cuts somewhere
VRAM, they will cut in VRAM, the bulk of it is going to AI 
SolidQ
Member
Most sales it's x6,x7 series. Companies just need make them good with right price
Part from MLID video about RDNA 4-5
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StereoVsn
Member
Yep, big thing with all the tech companies right now is who can get enough Nvidia GPUs.
Rumor is Nvidia basically reduced 4000 series manufacturing to a bare minimum (contract min for TSMC) and rest is going to it's server GPUs for AI work.
Gamers are f-d basically. Nvidia can hold high prices since gaming sales are a side job right now, AMD's "efforts" are terrible, and Intel has years before they catch up. Oh and Intel and AMD are super interested in AI sales as well.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Well yeah, 9700XT is two generations into the future lol
OverHeat
« generous god »
Crack one hell of a drug
YeulEmeralda
Member
Gamers don't buy Nvidia because of brand power despite what AMD fan boys think.
AMD simply doesn't have an answer to DLSS and until they do they're fucked.
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