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Russia: Canada better check itself over Arctic claims.

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TheRagnCajun said:
LoL yeah except US wants a slice of the pie, don't forget. Canada could team up with the US and get 80% of the land and resoures to them.
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The US' claims to the Arctic are tenuous at best. The only reason they have Alaska is because Britain gave them the panhandle to not piss them off, it was genuinely Canadian territory, but the British were being pussies and sided with the Americans. And then we got pissed and created our own government to eventually achieve sovereignty.

So yeah, sorry, the only vested interest the US has is that Canada is an export country and they are our biggest export market.
 
Terrell said:
The US' claims to the Arctic are tenuous at best. The only reason they have Alaska is because Britain gave them the panhandle to not piss them off, it was genuinely Canadian territory, but the British were being pussies and sided with the Americans. And then we got pissed and created our own government to eventually achieve sovereignty.

So yeah, sorry, the only vested interest the US has is that Canada is an export country and they are our biggest export market.
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I thought we bought it from the Russians for a ridiculously low price...did the Russians just do that because their claim of the land was pretty tenuous to begin with?
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
I thought we bought it from the Russians for a ridiculously low price...did the Russians just do that because their claim of the land was pretty tenuous to begin with?
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Alaska was Russian territory for a long while. Russia had settlements all along the west coast, going as far south as Northern California.
 
BigJonsson said:
Pffft, GSP will fuck em all up
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It's for realz now!


Seriously, I don't know how this will turn out.
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
I thought we bought it from the Russians for a ridiculously low price...did the Russians just do that because their claim of the land was pretty tenuous to begin with?
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He's either confused or wrong. The only part under dispute was the panhandle, not all of Alaska. You are correct that you bought it from the Russians at a low price, but a large portion of the panhandle at the time was under dispute, mostly about how far inland their claim stretched. Basically, the British had been arguing with the Russians over who owned it.

A panel of one Brit, two Canadians and three Americans negotiated, and eventually the British member voted with the Americans against the Canadians.
 
i dont think the us would let russia pick a fight with the states largest oil supplier, so its a fair fight we'd never see.
 
Terrell said:
The US' claims to the Arctic are tenuous at best. The only reason they have Alaska is because Britain gave them the panhandle to not piss them off, it was genuinely Canadian territory, but the British were being pussies and sided with the Americans. And then we got pissed and created our own government to eventually achieve sovereignty.

So yeah, sorry, the only vested interest the US has is that Canada is an export country and they are our biggest export market.
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Canada supplies us with most of our oil as well.
 
How to seriously keep the Russians out.

OPERATION "TRUE NORTH STRONG AND FREE" (Make it a criminal offence to abbreviate the operation name or to fail to salute while saying it)

1. Construct a comprehensive anti-submarine sensor network in the Arctic waters .
2. Build a fleet of attack submarines to patrol the northern seas, one that could at least contend with the Russians long enough for the US to deploy in strength (Denying them a foothold until America tips the balance).
3. Map the region better than the Russians are able to, in the interest of creating a home-field advantage.
4. Restructuring of our land and air forces in such a way that Arctic mobilization is at the top of the list. Focus less on battle tanks and more on fast moving and hard hitting vehicle units that are suitably equipped for the environment.
5. Loads of missiles

Potential problems: Jesus fuck where'd all the country's money go?!
 
Pandaman said:
i dont think the us would let russia pick a fight with the states largest oil supplier, so its a fair fight we'd never see.
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The problem is Russia swims in excess money the more oil and gas prices go up. Don't people remember how the US basically did nothing for Georgia when it was invaded? We didn't want to p*ss Russia off and lose our supply lines into Afganistan and Europe didn't want to lose its nat. gas.

Russia is largely responsible for financially holding up the UK as well atm.


In the long term, as Russia starts not being able to pay for itself with natural resources (including or excluding the arctic), it's gonna split up due to ethnic and racial changes in the society that the government is doing nothing constructive about. Will that be before the US, if we don't get our deficits in order, who knows? However, this does mean, that Canada isn't going to get instant and easy back up from the US/major other Nato players the way it might have 10 or 20 years ago.


So, like I said before, I really don't know how this will all turn out.
 
Subitai said:
The problem is Russia swims in excess money the more oil and gas prices go up. Don't people remember how the US basically did nothing for Georgia when it was invaded? We didn't want to p*ss Russia off and lose our supply lines into Afganistan and Europe didn't want to lose its nat. gas.

Russia is largely responsible for financially holding up the UK as well atm.


In the long term, as Russia starts not being able to pay for itself with natural resources (including or excluding the arctic), it's gonna split up due to ethnic and racial changes in the society that the government is doing nothing constructive about. Will that be before the US, if we don't get our deficits in order, who knows? However, this does mean, that Canada isn't going to get instant and easy back up from the US/major other Nato players the way it might have 10 or 20 years ago.


So, like I said before, I really don't know how this will all turn out.
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Why would the us have helped georgia?
 
Pandaman said:
Why would the us have helped georgia?
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Because the Georgian President is a coward who wouldn't have started that war if he didn't think that the USA was on his side. What he didn't know however was "US Support" can be translated directly into English as "we'll write a strong letter to the Russian ambassador but you motherfuckers are on your own."

That and the European Missile Shield "against Iran" (lol).
 
Pandaman said:
Why would the us have helped georgia?
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They've been doing everything asked to get into Nato for one. Whoever you think started the war, the fact that Russia was comfortable fighting a US ally in the Iraq war with thousands of hardened US troops just a few hours away by plane shows how much leverage they have right now.
 
The only solution is to claim there are WMD's in Russia, belonging to Iran, wanted by Al-Qaeda.
 
Terrell said:
The US' claims to the Arctic are tenuous at best. The only reason they have Alaska is because Britain gave them the panhandle to not piss them off, it was genuinely Canadian territory, but the British were being pussies and sided with the Americans. And then we got pissed and created our own government to eventually achieve sovereignty.

So yeah, sorry, the only vested interest the US has is that Canada is an export country and they are our biggest export market.
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Alaska was Russian territory.

edit - sorry someone said the same exact thing above.
 
LQX said:
Alaska was Russian territory.

edit - sorry someone said the same exact thing above.
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But you lose core provinces after 50 years if you don't contest it!

And they don't have a casus belli! They will get a stability drop of -2, and they might even have Military Access -5!!!

Playing to much EU3...
 
Meus Renaissance said:
The only solution is to claim there are WMD's in Russia, belonging to Iran, wanted by Al-Qaeda.
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The ironic thing here is, that America could declare war on Russia tomorrow for no reason whatsoever and most Americans would probably support it. Decades of brainwashing will do that to a nation.
 
industrian said:
The ironic thing here is, that America could declare war on Russia tomorrow for no reason whatsoever and most Americans would probably support it. Decades of brainwashing will do that to a nation.
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But who would win?

Or, would they just drop all the nukes on Europa, and use the wasteland to build an epic sized hockey arena and settle the score?
 
industrian said:
The ironic thing here is, that America could declare war on Russia tomorrow for no reason whatsoever and most Americans would probably support it. Decades of brainwashing will do that to a nation.
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Yeah like how most supported the Iraq war.
 
Subitai said:
They've been doing everything asked to get into Nato for one. Whoever you think started the war, the fact that Russia was comfortable fighting a US ally in the Iraq war with thousands of hardened US troops just a few hours away by plane shows how much leverage they have right now.
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not a hard thing to do when their ally is already fighting a two front war with a shitty economy, war weary populace, and troop shortage.
 
You know, this arctic sovereignty thing is the one thing I've had Harper's back on, I'm glad he made it an issue from the start. Because it's not just the Russians, it's the Americans, the blood Danish, everybody is trying to act like it's unclaimed territory.

Now if only they could find the budget to build a third submarine.
 
Russia has nukes and their nukes can reach every part of Canada. I don't know what Canada is trying to accomplish here, but if they think they can dick Russia around and then run crying to the United States when Russia strikes back, they've got another thought coming. We aren't going to risk a global thermonuclear war for some stupid-ass gas and oil reserves that belong to another country, even if it's our northern neighbor. :lol
 
industrian said:
The ironic thing here is, that America could declare war on Russia tomorrow for no reason whatsoever and most Americans would probably support it. Decades of brainwashing will do that to a nation.
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nah
Americans want the wars to be over with. Unless China or Russia attacks pearl harbor or something because Americans won't support another "preemptive" military action
 
Botolf said:
How to seriously keep the Russians out.

OPERATION "TRUE NORTH STRONG AND FREE" (Make it a criminal offence to abbreviate the operation name or to fail to salute while saying it)

1. Construct a comprehensive anti-submarine sensor network in the Arctic waters .
2. Build a fleet of attack submarines to patrol the northern seas, one that could at least contend with the Russians long enough for the US to deploy in strength (Denying them a foothold until America tips the balance).
3. Map the region better than the Russians are able to, in the interest of creating a home-field advantage.
4. Restructuring of our land and air forces in such a way that Arctic mobilization is at the top of the list. Focus less on battle tanks and more on fast moving and hard hitting vehicle units that are suitably equipped for the environment.
5. Loads of missiles

Potential problems: Jesus fuck where'd all the country's money go?!
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Get that message to the Canadian Praetor!
 
So I'm guessing the geological evidence and UN route isn't working out for Russia..? Would be helpful if they told how their efforts are being limited.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Russia has nukes and their nukes can reach every part of Canada. I don't know what Canada is trying to accomplish here, but if they think they can dick Russia around and then run crying to the United States when Russia strikes back, they've got another thought coming. We aren't going to risk a global thermonuclear war for some stupid-ass gas and oil reserves that belong to another country, even if it's our northern neighbor. :lol
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Holy shit! You figured out the whole strategy there! You cookie is in the mail, although being addressed to unknown soldier probably means it will end up in Iwo Jima or something.
 
Botolf said:
How to seriously keep the Russians out.

OPERATION "TRUE NORTH STRONG AND FREE" (Make it a criminal offence to abbreviate the operation name or to fail to salute while saying it)

1. Construct a comprehensive anti-submarine sensor network in the Arctic waters .
2. Build a fleet of attack submarines to patrol the northern seas, one that could at least contend with the Russians long enough for the US to deploy in strength (Denying them a foothold until America tips the balance).
3. Map the region better than the Russians are able to, in the interest of creating a home-field advantage.
4. Restructuring of our land and air forces in such a way that Arctic mobilization is at the top of the list. Focus less on battle tanks and more on fast moving and hard hitting vehicle units that are suitably equipped for the environment.
5. Loads of missiles

Potential problems: Jesus fuck where'd all the country's money go?!
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If there´s a new Cold War this European is happy that the missiles are pointing in the other direction this time <3
 
As a Canadian, I have to say Greenland looks like they've got this shit locked up. Unless Russia wants to mine at our back door, to which I'll gladly enlist... for hockey.
 
yankeeforever2 said:
I think are claim to the Arctic is not really in jeopardy so we probably don't care.
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Who's to say that after quelling the mighty Empire of Canada they won't come after your share of the pie too?

TheNiX said:
As a Canadian, I have to say Greenland looks like they've got this shit locked up. Unless Russia wants to mine at our back door, to which I'll gladly enlist... for hockey.
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Greenland = Denmark for now. They're getting closer to full independence though.

Also an interesting fact I found just now:

"During the Cold War, the United States developed a geopolitical interest in Greenland, and in 1946 the United States offered to buy Greenland from Denmark for $100,000,000, but Denmark refused to sell."

That was some shrewd motherfucking shit that Denmark did there.
 
The US wouldn't let any invader step foot on the whole NA continent and everyone knows that. Oil and exports would be only secondary next to losing its greatest military advantage and having a threat on its border. No one is getting to Canada without passing over their dead bodies first.

No one is getting invaded over this anyway, just sayin'.
 
J-Rod said:
No one is getting invaded over this anyway, just sayin'.
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This. I think all parties involved are well aware it won't come to this.

Also, it's not CAN/US vs. RUS that scares me, it's the opportunistic sociopaths with too much firepower that would capitalize on such a distraction.
 
SnakeXs said:
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
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Russia didn't have the balls to press the button the past 50 years they won't do it in the next 50.
 
if it came to conflict, it would be unsporting for britain to not stick their oar in somewhere under some retro-colonial sense of entitlement.

canada's vessels are her majesty's after all. we can't have dirty bolshies vandalising the property of a divine monarch like that, it's just not cricket.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Russia has nukes and their nukes can reach every part of Canada. I don't know what Canada is trying to accomplish here, but if they think they can dick Russia around and then run crying to the United States when Russia strikes back, they've got another thought coming. We aren't going to risk a global thermonuclear war for some stupid-ass gas and oil reserves that belong to another country, even if it's our northern neighbor. :lol
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Get him.

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tonkatsu_ramen said:
I guess Russia is still pretty upset over their loss to Canada in hockey.
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Yeah the Russians are pretty upset now that more stringent drug testing policies mean the world got to see how good they really aren't.
 
We Canadians have the ultimate weapon to load our cannons if any country ever try to claim the Arctics. I've recently learned from GAF that everyone is scared of it. The perfect weapon to keep them away indeed.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Russia has nukes and their nukes can reach every part of Canada. I don't know what Canada is trying to accomplish here, but if they think they can dick Russia around and then run crying to the United States when Russia strikes back, they've got another thought coming. We aren't going to risk a global thermonuclear war for some stupid-ass gas and oil reserves that belong to another country, even if it's our northern neighbor. :lol
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Except Canada is America's bitch and its a lot easier to trade with them than Russia. If there was war it would be interesting to see who jumps into the fray.

Or we could always settle this in the cage
 
Deku said:
its warming up!

But yea, Russia, more specifically, Russian foreign policy, and nationalism is one of the emerging new threats of the next century.
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Russian military operations have been restricted to the ex-Soviet satellite states the last 20 years. Military threats directed outside this area have been a direct result of things like NATO expansionism and U.S. placement of missile "shields" in the old Soviet bloc. Earlier this year, Russia released a report on its defense doctrine and it correctly identified NATO as the greatest threat to Russian security. So yes, when a hostile military alliances openly defies international law, performs military operations in and around Russia's borders, and expands its borders deep into eastern Europe, (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania) you can expect a defensive and increasingly hostile response from Russia.
As a test of fairness, suppose a Russian-lead coalition of Cuba, Chile, Argentina, Venezuela and Brazil attacked and occupied Panama and Grenada, threatened Mexico with a military assault and placed anti-Mexican missile shields inside Cuba. Would it be correct to identify the American response to such acts as an "emerging new threat" to global stability?
 
Let's not kid ourself here. any Canadian attempts to protect our sovereignty in the Artic will involve American help.

Canada neither has the resources, nor the geopolitical clout to contest our claims outside of writing strongly worded letters to the UN and knock over magazine racks in Moscow.

The US and UK will be needed to provide political muscle and negotiating power.

theignoramus said:
Russian military operations have been restricted to the ex-Soviet satellite states the last 20 years. Military threats directed outside this area have been a direct result of things like NATO expansionism and U.S. placement of missile "shields" in the old Soviet bloc. Earlier this year, Russia released a report on its defense doctrine and it correctly identified NATO as the greatest threat to Russian security. So yes, when a hostile military alliances openly defies international law, performs military operations in and around Russia's borders, and expands its borders deep into eastern Europe, (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania) you can expect a defensive and increasingly hostile response from Russia.
As a test of fairness, suppose a Russian-lead coalition of Cuba, Chile, Argentina, Venezuela and Brazil attacked and occupied Panama and Grenada, threatened Mexico with a military assault and placed anti-Mexican missile shields inside Cuba. Would it be correct to identify the American response to such acts as an "emerging new threat" to global stability?
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Russia since putin has adopted a very different kind of foreign policy. And Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania want nothing to do with Russia and prefer better integration with the West.

If you're going to provide the stock anti-western apologia, at least be smart about it and obfuscate the tentativeness of your position by mentioning Ukraine and the Russian instigated independence movement in Georgia to prove that all the former soviet satellites are running to Mother Russia's embrace.

Fascinating as it is, that you can recite such a long list of greivances Canada as a whole is not part of in defense of a regime that's pretty much come out and said, they don't want democracy in Russia, just technically rigged elections, then proceed to murder journalists.

But your usename does seem to point to your general state of mind.
 
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