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Russia declares South Ossetia now Russian territory

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4635843.ece

timesonline said:
The Kremlin moved swiftly to tighten its grip on Georgia’s breakaway regions yesterday as South Ossetia announced that it would soon become part of Russia, which will open military bases in the province under an agreement to be signed on Tuesday.

Tarzan Kokoity, the province’s Deputy Speaker of parliament, announced that South Ossetia would be absorbed into Russia soon so that its people could live in “one united Russian state” with their ethnic kin in North Ossetia.

The US confirmed that the flagship of its Sixth Fleet, the USS Mount Whitney, would deliver aid to Georgia next week. Two other warships are moored off Georgia’s Black Sea port of Batumi, and Russia has ordered its fleet to take “precautionary measures”.

So thats 3 US warships at Georgia now including the Flagship of the 6th Fleet and All major world powers telling Russia its at fault and wrong to take the steps its doing.
 
laserbeam said:
So thats 3 US warships at Georgia now including the Flagship of the 6th Fleet and All major world powers telling Georgia its at fault and wrong to take the steps its doing.

that's a pretty long name for the second ship
 
Smiles and Cries said:
psyduck confused??? what means this news???
Russia is defying the world powers and taking the territory as its own. Even China told Putin he was wrong and needs to back down this week.
 
laserbeam said:
Russia is defying the world powers and taking the territory as its own. Even China told Putin he was wrong and needs to back down this week.
Russia is like a bully that gets away with whatever it wants

I see no way someone will stand up to them right now... US cannot afford it. Thank God for Iraq, if it was not for that middle east mess America would be deep in Russia's ass right now
 
Wait, isn't think thread title a little off?

From the news article, it sounds more like South Ossetia had declared that it's now Russian territory.

EDIT: I can't really see myself reacting to this the same way you guys do. I mean, obviously Ossetia would rather be under Russian rule than Georgian rule. At least they won't be fighting anymore (and get to join North Ossetia.)
 
zoku88 said:
Wait, isn't think thread title a little off?

From the news article, it sounds more like South Ossetia had declared that it's now Russian territory.

Like they had any say in the matter!
 
zoku88 said:
Wait, isn't think thread title a little off?

From the news article, it sounds more like South Ossetia had declared that it's now Russian territory.

EDIT: I can't really see myself reacting to this the same way you guys do. I mean, obviously Ossetia would rather be under Russian rule than Georgian rule. At least they won't be fighting anymore (and get to join North Ossetia.)
laserbeam isn't very found of Russia.
 
Rur0ni said:
laserbeam isn't very found of Russia.
I can tell, as with most people.

But look at it this way, of the three parties involved: South Ossetia, Russia, and Georgia, this moves benefits 2/3.

In a way, it somewhat benefits Georgia, since they don't have to fight rebels in South Ossetia anymore (well, they won't if they don't want Russia attacking them.)

EDIT: But seriously, why does Georgia even want its breakaway regions. It seems like a lot of trouble for the sake of pride.
 
doodyball5 said:
Russia versus the world! I like it

They haven't even unleashed their secret weapon yet.

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zoku88 said:
I can tell, as with most people.

But look at it this way, of the three parties involved: South Ossetia, Russia, and Georgia, this moves benefits 2/3.

In a way, it somewhat benefits Georgia, since they don't have to fight rebels in South Ossetia anymore (well, they won't if they don't want Russia attacking them.)

EDIT: But seriously, why does Georgia even want its breakaway regions. It seems like a lot of trouble for the sake of pride.

Georgia was basically suckered into this though weren't they?

Russia chucking out passports left right and centre, fuelling the problem. Then baiting Georgia till they moved in militarily, and hammered them disproportionately in response. Invading a sovereign state and taking a piece of it as a result.

It's hardly cricket is it.
 
Nash said:
Georgia was basically suckered into this though weren't they?

Russia chucking out passports left right and centre, fuelling the problem. Then baiting Georgia till they moved in militarily, and hammered them disproportionately in response. Invading a sovereign state and taking a piece of it as a result.

It's hardly cricket is it.
'Suckered' is probably a bad way to think about it. Georgia and Russia were merely playing politics. Georgia decided to take a risky move (prolly thinking that NATO would back them up or something.) That move backfired. They just lost this battle of politics. Nothing more.

I mean, invading countries and taking pieces of them after you 'win'... that's just pretty basic stuff right there. Doesn't help that the region they took away would rather join them than stay with Georgia...

Does it really matter though? I mean, a nation with so many breakaway regions HAS to have some problems.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
Russia is like a bully that gets away with whatever it wants

I see no way someone will stand up to them right now... US cannot afford it. Thank God for Iraq, if it was not for that middle east mess America would be deep in Russia's ass right now

The US has never taken any action directly against the Soviet Union and they could not either against today's Russia, Iraq or not.

It's not how this game is played.
 
zoku88 said:
'Suckered' is probably a bad way to think about it. Georgia and Russia were merely playing politics. Georgia decided to take a risky move (prolly thinking that NATO would back them up or something.) That move backfired. They just lost this battle of politics. Nothing more.

I mean, invading countries and taking pieces of them after you 'win'... that's just pretty basic stuff right there. Doesn't help that the region they took away would rather join them than stay with Georgia...

Does it really matter though? I mean, a nation with so many breakaway regions HAS to have some problems.

I think it matters that Putin got away with it so easy.

I bet he's got his map out right now ...
 
Nash said:
I think it matters that Putin got away with it so easy.

I bet he's got his map out right now ...
Perhaps if he invaded a country without serious internal issues, like Poland, more people would actually care...

but Georgia? I wouldn't even want them in NATO ...
 
zoku88 said:
Perhaps if he invaded a country without serious internal issues, like Poland, more people would actually care...

but Georgia? I wouldn't even want them in NATO ...

Give him time :)
 
Nash said:
Give him time :)
Russia's not invading Poland anytime soon. That would be retarded. They would only care about Poland if they thought they could get away with it, which they wouldn't really be able to this time...
 
wiid said:
well georgia attacked s. ossetia first, and shot and russian peace keepers.
russia is right in their own thinking.
And South Ossetian rebels were launching raids prior to Georgias actions.

Its a domino effect of Russian planning. Amazing how hundreds of tanks moved to the border while Rebels were doing their attacks. Just waiting for Georgia to defend itself.

Totally unrelated events ;) When China and other members of a Strategic Alliance with Russia say Russia is wrong and needs to get out and leave the territories to Georgia you know Russia was wrong
 
laserbeam said:
And South Ossetian rebels were launching raids prior to Georgias actions.

Its a domino effect of Russian planning. Amazing how hundreds of tanks moved to the border while Rebels were doing their attacks. Just waiting for Georgia to defend itself.

Totally unrelated events ;) When China and other members of a Strategic Alliance with Russia say Russia is wrong and needs to get out and leave the territories to Georgia you know Russia was wrong
Yea, but there's a long history of violence between S. Ossetia and Georgia.

I ask you this: why is S. Ossetia being under Russian rule worse than S. Ossetia being under Georgian rule, where the latter had both Ossetians and Georgians dying, but the former has neither dying (as long as Georgia doesn't violently oppose the move, I guess.)

Also given the fact that this is also S. Ossetia's preference (I'm sure they'd rather be independent, but anything is better than being a part of Georgia...)
 
Ripclawe said:
Still waiting for the EU to do something more than stern words.

You will be waiting a long time. The only thing that could wake the slumbering EU is an actual invasion of a NATO country. Hell, they have terrorist attacks on their own soil and as a result they elect appeasement governments (spain).
 
South Ossetia hates Georgia and likes Russia. Georgia attacks South Ossetia. South Ossetia joins up to be part of Russia.

What's the friggin problem? South Ossetia hates Georgia anyway, why not let them be part of Russia if that's what they want. Screw Georgia.
 
besada said:
So much for S. Ossetian independence. Have fun, guys.

They weren't going to be allowed to be independent anyways, either under Georgia's rule or Russia's rule, just because both sides are involved there.
 
Shit must move to russia before they start attacking the netherlands!

They are going to create the largest drug industry in the world by turning us into plant growing hippies and selling it all over the world!
 
laserbeam said:
) When China and other members of a Strategic Alliance with Russia say Russia is wrong and needs to get out and leave the territories to Georgia you know Russia was wrong

But thats not what China and other members of a Strategic Alliance said..


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIIubcNJWN9e0ZjOLWxvOe_cH66w

Russia claims China backing in Georgia conflict
3 days ago
DUSHANBE (AFP) — China and four Central Asian nations signed a statement Thursday supporting Russia's role in the Caucasus but also expressing "deep concern" over the Georgia conflict and calling for a negotiated settlement.
In a joint statement, the leaders of China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan said they "support the active role of Russia in assisting peace and cooperation in the region."
The six in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) also "express their deep concern over the recent tensions surrounding the South Ossetia question and call for the sides to peacefully resolve existing problems through dialogue."
Echoing language used in the West over the conflict, a portion of the statement also said the summit members supported the principle of "territorial integrity" of states.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said the statement showed a "united position" on the Georgia conflict, and Kremlin officials indicated they were happy with its phrasing.
China's foreign ministry reiterated, however, its concern over Russia's decision to recognise two breakaway Georgian provinces as independent states, and experts were split on how to interpret the Dushanbe statement.
Unequivocal Chinese support would be a diplomatic coup for Russia, which has found itself largely isolated since its military move into Georgia on August 8.
"It's not resounding support for Russia," commented Macha Lipman of the Carnegie Moscow Center, the Russian office of a US-based think tank. "Every country took into account their interests."
Fyodor Lukyanov, a respected independent analyst who edits the magazine Russia in Global Policy, differed.
"The SCO statement is a great victory by Russia, which has so far been in a vacuum" over Georgia. "They openly demonstrated their support for Russia in its standoff with Georgia."
Russia sent forces into Georgia in response to Tbilisi's offensive to retake South Ossetia, and hundreds of troops remain in what Moscow is calling a "peacekeeping" mission but Georgia has denounced as an occupation force.
Medvedev asserted that the summit had sent a clear message to the West, which has sharply criticised Moscow.
"I hope it will serve as a serious signal to those who try to turn black into white and justify this aggression," he said.
The SCO statement made no explicit mention of Russia's decision to recognise the rebel provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states.
Speaking before the statement was signed, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang told reporters in Beijing: "China expresses concern over the latest developments in the situation in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
"We are fully aware of the complicated history and reality of the issues of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and given our consistent position on such issues, we hope the relevant countries properly resolve the issues through dialogue and consultation."
China, which is battling separatist claims on its own territory, called for "dialogue and consultation".
The president of energy-rich Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, sounded a note more in favor of Moscow.
After the summit, Nazarbayev said he related "with understanding to all the measures taken by Russia" when he held a one-on-one meeting with Medvedev.
"I would very much like international opinion to move toward peace and understanding, without constant announcements about the Cold War," he said.
Belarus, which is closely tied to Moscow, said Russia "had no moral" choice but to recognise the independence of the two Georgian regions.
Russian news agencies later quoted the Belarussian ambassador to Moscow as saying Belarus may "soon" recognise the two Georgian provinces.
A statement from the Belarus presidency called for another Moscow-dominated regional grouping, the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), to make a joint statement on the conflict at its meeting on September 5.
The CSTO comprises Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
In the face of Western criticism, the Kremlin has angrily argued that Russia used military force only in response to a Georgian attack against South Ossetia, where tens of thousands of Russian citizens live.
 
If this can shut both countries up I'm fine with it.

Georgia obviously just wanted to fucking make South Ossetia a scorched earth area after the last failed "take back" in the 90s.
Russia just wanted to protect it's registered citizens, regardless of however they got them.

Now Georgia has less of an area to worry about and Ossetia is once again re-united. I mean, if Russia was the main aggressor, a good chunk of South Ossetia wouldn't have fled into Russia.

Both sides fucked up big time, but anyone who didn't see this as a result wasn't looking into it.
 
Yeah, I actually consider this a pretty decent resolution. All the world and specially the US media going against Russia was nonsense imo; here's hoping to get this whole thing closed and forgotten, I don't want any more excuses for the current american government to attack anyone. WWIII/Cold War 2.0 would suck.
 
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