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'Russia for Russians,' chant thousands in Moscow march

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MOSCOW—Thousands of far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis marched through Moscow on Friday to call for ethnic Russians to "take back" Russia, as resentment grows over dark-complexioned Muslim migrants from Russia's Caucasus and the money the Kremlin sends to those restive regions.

Chanting "Russia for Russians" and "Migrants today, occupiers tomorrow," about 5,000 people, mostly young men, marched through a working-class neighbourhood on the outskirts of the capital. Police stood shoulder-to-shoulder along the street, which was blocked to traffic.

Violently xenophobic groups have flourished in Russia over the past two decades. They kill and beat non-Slavs and anti-racism activists, and crudely denounce the influx of immigrants from the Caucasus and from Central Asian countries that were once part of the Soviet Union.

They have drawn moral support from nationalism that has been encouraged by Vladimir Putin's rule as part of the Kremlin's attempts to rebuild a strong Russian state.

After a clash last December between police and thousands of football fans and other extremists just outside the Kremlin walls, and an unprecedented outbreak of hate crimes, the government has taken a tougher line against the groups, but their virulent hatred is proving hard to combat.

The challenge facing the Kremlin is broader, however. Many Russians share the anti-migrant sentiments and even those who would not describe themselves as racist are increasingly resentful of the hefty subsidies sent to the Caucasus, particularly to Chechnya. The money is intended to bring stability after years of war, but the region remains deeply impoverished while Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov flaunts his wealth.

Among the banners carried Friday was one reading "Stop feeding the Caucasus."

"All Russian people are on the march — football fans, skinheads, national socialists," Dmitry Demushkin, who leads a group called Russkiye, or Russians, shouted to the crowd. "We have to show what our nation is demanding."

The so-called Russian March has been held annually since 2005 on a new national holiday created to replace celebrations of the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.

The new holiday was usurped by far-right nationalists, whose first rally in 2005 led to the shocking sight of thousands of skinheads marching through central Moscow with their hands raised in a Nazi salute and shouting obscene racist slogans.

The following year the march was banned, but nationalists marched anyway and clashed violently with police. Since 2007, the Russian March has been relegated to areas outside of the capital's centre.
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Fari

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Racism, homophobia and antisemitism are huge problems all over Eastern Europe.

Also, Jesus has balls on his chin in that last picture.
 
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UnluckyKate

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Russia always been really racist.

I remember I was in a russian summer camp in july 2003, an old soviet pioner camp that became English Camp. We had free assemble everymorning and you could come up on stage and do a little act or just give idea for the day / week.

At some point, the bald dude with weird cross tattoos come on stage with his guitar and start singing a song about his fellow that is in prison because he got arrested by the police when they where beating jews.

Shocked, I asked about this to the instructor, who was under 25 and he told me " well, you got to understand the Russia is a young democracy, so we still need to let people express themself to not fall back into what communism was. " He was referring of course as my country, France, the oldest democracy because we invented human rights and freedom of speech but in France, extremist, homophobes and neo nazi groups don't have right to public speech.
 
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Carbonox

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Excuse my ignorance but exactly who do these neo-nazis hate? Just people from Asia moving in to their country? Or are they against any outside full stop (including westerners)?
 
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Carbonox_Ratchet said:
Excuse my ignorance but exactly who do these neo-nazis hate? Just people from Asia moving in to their country? Or are they against any outside full stop (including westerners)?
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Dude, it's all in the OP.

Thousands of far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis marched through Moscow on Friday to call for ethnic Russians to "take back" Russia, as resentment grows over dark-complexioned Muslim migrants from Russia's Caucasus and the money the Kremlin sends to those restive regions.
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The challenge facing the Kremlin is broader, however. Many Russians share the anti-migrant sentiments and even those who would not describe themselves as racist are increasingly resentful of the hefty subsidies sent to the Caucasus, particularly to Chechnya. The money is intended to bring stability after years of war, but the region remains deeply impoverished while Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov flaunts his wealth.
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vas_a_morir said:
What's that flag they are flying? Excuse my ignorance...
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Old flag from imperial Russian (Romanov) era.

LQX said:
I figured Russia would be one the most non-diverse places. Can't say I have ever seen a minority Russian.
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On the contrary, modern Russia is composed of a large number of ethnicities, although they also have a nasty legacy of nationalism and minority persecution.
 
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I figured Russia would be one the most non-diverse places. Can't say I have ever seen a minority Russian.
 
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Kabouter

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LQX said:
I figured Russia would be one the most non-diverse places. Can't say I have ever seen a minority Russian.
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From wikipedia:
The Russian Federation is home to as many as 160 different ethnic groups and indigenous peoples. As of the 2002 census, 79.83% of the population (115,889,107 people) is ethnically Russian, followed by (groups larger than one million):

3.83% Tatars (5,554,601)
2.03% Ukrainians (2,942,961)
1.15% Bashkirs (1,673,389)
1.13% Chuvashs (1,637,094)
0.94% Chechens (1,360,253)
0.78% Armenians (1,130,491)
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I was born a few miles from Russian border in Finland and I visit St. Petersburg every now and then. There's still a huge difference in people's mindsets when you cross the border. It's really sad.
 
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UnluckyKate said:
He was referring of course as my country, France, the oldest democracy because we invented human rights and freedom of speech but in France, extremist, homophobes and neo nazi groups don't have right to public speech.
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Yeah... not sure about that one...
 
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WedgeX

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Neo-nazis in countries that were among the Allies always confuses me.

Anyhow, stupid xenophobes and racists.
 
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Carbonox

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SmokyDave said:
Dude, it's all in the OP.
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Yes it's in the OP and I'm aware of this specific aspect but what I meant was (should have specified more): Is their resentment dedicated ONLY to these people or would they show such resentment to other ethnic groups or people from other countries, that aren't mentioned in the article. That's what I want to know.

Apologies if it's a silly question. I am just curious if these neo-nazis - even pockets - show antagonism to groups of people not solely related to the main groups mentioned in the article.
 
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vas_a_morir said:
What's that flag they are flying? Excuse my ignorance...
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Imperial flag, used by the Romanovs iirc
bah beaten
LQX said:
I figured Russia would be one the most non-diverse places. Can't say I have ever seen a minority Russian.
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you can't make a large empire without subjugating a few people
 
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SolKane

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WedgeX said:
Neo-nazis in countries that were among the Allies always confuses me.

Anyhow, stupid xenophobes and racists.
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It shouldn't, because wars are not fought over ideology.
 
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Speedymanic

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Carbonox_Ratchet said:
Yes it's in the OP and I'm aware of this specific aspect but what I meant was (should have specified more): Is their resentment dedicated ONLY to these people or would they show such resentment to other ethnic groups or people from other countries, that aren't mentioned in the article. That's what I want to know.

Apologies if it's a silly question. I am just curious if these neo-nazis - even pockets - show antagonism to groups of people not solely related to the main groups mentioned in the article.
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This might answer your questions,

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4784767647228050785
 
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Kurtofan

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Something Wicked said:
Yeah... not sure about that one...
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Declarations of Human Rights created during the French Revolution.
France is often referred to as the Nation of Human Rights.
 
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Walshicus

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I don't care what anyone says, the old White, Yellow and Black Russian tricolour is nicer looking than what they have now.
 
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Kurtofan

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Sir Fragula said:
I don't care what anyone says, the old White, Yellow and Black Russian tricolour is nicer looking than what they have now.
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All Slavic countries got that color combination too.
 
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Something Wicked said:
Yeah... not sure about that one...
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The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen of 26 August 1789 right was written after french Revolution. We the People, was based on this, so as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights from UN, signed in 1948

Edit : Beaten by a Baeuf
 
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ConfusingJazz said:
I knew this because of Victoria II. I get all my history via Paradox games at this point.
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I didn't want to be the first to admit that...

Okay, it's not strictly true. I just use Paradox games as a starting point for my own reading.





Anyhow, another one of those problems that wouldn't be nearly so bad if the big multi-national state (Russia) spent more time looking after those people who wanted to be a part of its franchise than trying to keep others who didn't (Chechnya, Dagestan etc.).
 
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